Kristatos wrote:One should always take a studio's estimate of a movie budget with a pinch of salt. Studios like to artificially inflate a movie's budget because it sounds impressive.
Just as they artificially inflate Craig's ego as Bond material too.
Captain Nash wrote:I'm shocked no one here has made a remark about the budget for QOS being a reported $230 million.
Whether or not this is true, or if it also includes the marketing costs is another matter.
But I thought some of you would be straight on that one.
Your right 'Nash'..............i thought about posting a thread on the subject
yesterday............but i thought it would open up a can of worms...........?
BUT now that it has been mentioned i will say this!!
Variety also stated that CR cost around $140 mil which sounds about right,
considering other sources were quoting between $122-150 mil.
I think that the $230 mil quoted for QOS also includes the marketing budget..............otherwise it would make QOS one of the most expensive films in movie history, and i doubt it would have millions of dollars worth of special effects like Spiderman 3.
Though it does show that MGM are very confident about the film, and the fact that they asked their shareholders to come up with half the money.
Maybe its all the extra action scenes which are making QOS expensive.
One other point, i keep reading that the actors keep saying we are going to be surprised by the events in QOS...........I wander what they mean??
................and i dont mean DC falling into a pulverising machine
AB
Arthur;you may be surprised where Haggis and Forster and Craig take Bond this time. I do not trust their mutual liberal perspectives on life. We will see what these minds cook up for Bond. As Dr. Zaius said to Heston at the end of Planet Of The Apes, "DO NOT LOOK FOR IT TAYLOR.....YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND". Remember this Arthur.
Favorite Bond Movie: Octopussy From Russia With Love The Living Daylights On Her Majestys Secret Service Doctor No .... Ah heck all of them
Favorite Movies: Lawrence Of Arabia, Forrest Gump, Jaws, The Shawshank Redemption, Vertigo, The Odd Couple, Zoolander, Cool Hand Luke, The Great Escape...many more.
Location: Well here obviously. At the moment of course
Favorite Bond Movie: Octopussy From Russia With Love The Living Daylights On Her Majestys Secret Service Doctor No .... Ah heck all of them
Favorite Movies: Lawrence Of Arabia, Forrest Gump, Jaws, The Shawshank Redemption, Vertigo, The Odd Couple, Zoolander, Cool Hand Luke, The Great Escape...many more.
Location: Well here obviously. At the moment of course
Captain Nash wrote:I'm shocked no one here has made a remark about the budget for QOS being a reported $230 million.
Whether or not this is true, or if it also includes the marketing costs is another matter.
But I thought some of you would be straight on that one.
Your right 'Nash'..............i thought about posting a thread on the subject
yesterday............but i thought it would open up a can of worms...........?
BUT now that it has been mentioned i will say this!!
Variety also stated that CR cost around $140 mil which sounds about right,
considering other sources were quoting between $122-150 mil.
I think that the $230 mil quoted for QOS also includes the marketing budget..............otherwise it would make QOS one of the most expensive films in movie history, and i doubt it would have millions of dollars worth of special effects like Spiderman 3.
Though it does show that MGM are very confident about the film, and the fact that they asked their shareholders to come up with half the money.
Maybe its all the extra action scenes which are making QOS expensive.
One other point, i keep reading that the actors keep saying we are going to be surprised by the events in QOS...........I wander what they mean??
................and i dont mean DC falling into a pulverising machine
AB
Arthur;you may be surprised where Haggis and Forster and Craig take Bond this time. I do not trust their mutual liberal perspectives on life. We will see what these minds cook up for Bond. As Dr. Zaius said to Heston at the end of Planet Of The Apes, "DO NOT LOOK FOR IT TAYLOR.....YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND". Remember this Arthur.
But if you keep an open mind, and wait for the film to come out you might be pleasantly surprised.
Unlike some of the members here I think Arthur isn't such a one sided fan.
bjmdds wrote:I do not trust their mutual liberal perspectives on life.
I think their politics are largely irrelevant for two reasons. Firstly, Bond films have always steered clear of political controversy and this one will have even more incentive to do so if the budget is as big as EON claims. A film with that much money riding on it is not going to risk alienating half its audience by serving as a soapbox for Michael Moore style editorialising (I say that as a fan of Moore's, but I recognise that he serves a niche market, and you'll never see a $230 million Michael Moore film). Secondly, whilst I think Paul Haggis is overrated as a writer, I have to at least give him credit for allowing a wide diversity of viewpoints to be expressed, even in his "political" films such as Crash, which did a pretty good job of just putting the arguments out there and letting the audience make up their own minds.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
bjmdds wrote:I do not trust their mutual liberal perspectives on life.
I think their politics are largely irrelevant for two reasons. Firstly, Bond films have always steered clear of political controversy and this one will have even more incentive to do so if the budget is as big as EON claims. A film with that much money riding on it is not going to risk alienating half its audience by serving as a soapbox for Michael Moore style editorialising (I say that as a fan of Moore's, but I recognise that he serves a niche market, and you'll never see a $230 million Michael Moore film). Secondly, whilst I think Paul Haggis is overrated as a writer, I have to at least give him credit for allowing a wide diversity of viewpoints to be expressed, even in his "political" films such as Crash, which did a pretty good job of just putting the arguments out there and letting the audience make up their own minds.
These 'surprises' constantly mentioned as Eon's teaser statements may be Bond in a light never dreamed of in the prior 20 films before CR, after all, their relevance is no longer required now by Eon. The Kite Runner's scenes may give a clue as to intent of the script. We will see Kris.
EON said they are keeping CR's grittynes, and QOS is even more realistic than CR, Amalric said QOS is very dark.
Based on EON's track record so far i'm afraid that translates to:
Many OTT yet gritty stunts (aka Die Hard 4) and Bourne-inspired action with lots of heavy emotional drama throughout. Bond is going to be a bumbling hothead again. M is going to pop up everywhere because of Dench's high-stature.
This is starting to look like it's trying to be everything to everyone and ending up a schizoid clusterf**k.
The concept of Bond, as an evolving spy novice, is foreign to a lot of the long time supporters of this franchise, who also find it offensive. There are those who marveled at CR, no denying that, but that could be a one time thing. November awaits....Tick Tock.....the clock is ticking on Craig's performance as 'Jimmy'(the novice) Bond, who has yet to mature into James!
bjmdds wrote:These 'surprises' constantly mentioned as Eon's teaser statements may be Bond in a light never dreamed of in the prior 20 films before CR, after all, their relevance is no longer required now by Eon. The Kite Runner's scenes may give a clue as to intent of the script. We will see Kris.
You keep dropping these vague hints. What exactly is it you are predicting for QOS? I haven't seen The Kite Runner, so that's no help.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
Not predicting but surmising Bond's sexuality or his treatment towards women might be taken to a different level, as shock value, given these 'hints' at this being full of surprises by the actors interviewed.
bjmdds wrote:Not predicting but surmising Bond's sexuality or his treatment towards women might be taken to a different level, as shock value, given these 'hints' at this being full of surprises by the actors interviewed.
So what are you saying? That you actually believe the "Craig wants a gay Bond" nonsense?
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
Captain Nash wrote:I'm shocked no one here has made a remark about the budget for QOS being a reported $230 million.
Whether or not this is true, or if it also includes the marketing costs is another matter.
But I thought some of you would be straight on that one.
Come on, haven't you learned from BJ already? He'll take anything literally even if a rumor just so he could doom and gloom. The $230 talk is all so that if QOS even makes the same numbers as CR, it's bigger budget makes it less profitable, therefore he can go calling it a "massive failure" even if it reaches 600 million. But then again he seems to focus on domestics instead.
bjmdds wrote:Not predicting but surmising Bond's sexuality or his treatment towards women might be taken to a different level, as shock value, given these 'hints' at this being full of surprises by the actors interviewed.
So what are you saying? That you actually believe the "Craig wants a gay Bond" nonsense?
I think that Craig's 'Jimmy' Bond 'might' go where others never would, due to the director and the writer.
Captain Nash wrote:I'm shocked no one here has made a remark about the budget for QOS being a reported $230 million.
Whether or not this is true, or if it also includes the marketing costs is another matter.
But I thought some of you would be straight on that one.
Come on, haven't you learned from BJ already? He'll take anything literally even if a rumor just so he could doom and gloom. The $230 talk is all so that if QOS even makes the same numbers as CR, it's bigger budget makes it less profitable, therefore he can go calling it a "massive failure" even if it reaches 600 million. But then again he seems to focus on domestics instead.
It won't be a massive failure in the UK, that is a given. Surpassing CR will be quite difficult, maybe even arrogant of Eon, to think so.
bjmdds wrote:Not predicting but surmising Bond's sexuality or his treatment towards women might be taken to a different level, as shock value, given these 'hints' at this being full of surprises by the actors interviewed.
So what are you saying? That you actually believe the "Craig wants a gay Bond" nonsense?
I think that Craig's 'Jimmy' Bond 'might' go where others never would, due to the director and the writer.
Based on what? A silly-season tabloid rumour that was debunked over a year ago? The director and writer don't even have a history of gay-themed projects that I know of. None of the previous Haggis or Forster films that I've seen have contained gay themes that I remember. Besides CR, I've seen Crash and Flags of Our Fathers from Haggis and Monster's Ball, Finding Neverland and Stranger Than Fiction from Forster. None of those films make me think that they'll be unable to keep Bond hetero. If it's announced that Bond 23 is to be written by Russell T Davies and directed by Joel Schumacher, that would be a different story. Nipples on the tuxedo, anybody?
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
bjmdds wrote:We shall see what these 'surprises' are Kris.
OK. But if Bond doesn't end up batting for the other team at the end of QOS, will you admit that you were wrong, or will you just start saying "He's going to be gay in Bond 23, I can feel it. DOOOM! GLOOOM!"?
If, on the other hand, you turn out to be correct, then I will happily join in your condemnations. I have nothing against gay people, I just don't think a character who has been straight for 40 years should suddenly switch sexual orientation for no good reason. But I don't think it will happen.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
Whats all this about Bond being gay...........don't be so silly!!!
Now if that were to be true, then i would change sides on the Bond debate.
Anyway, regardless of that....................it seems QOS as we have been told is going to be very action orientated..........involving from what i've read so far............cars, boats, planes, buses, horses and god all knows what ...........blimey it looks like every mode of transport is being thrown into this film!
Are any of you non Craig fans..................action fans.....beacause thats what we'll be getting a lot of in QOS!
