The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[English Agent]

Blinkin heck..........i cant believe u guys are still going on about this reboot
thing.

Firstly................does anyone here really think that the Bond franchise didn't need a kick up the backside to regain some enthusiasm from the worldwide audience.

Secondly...........The reboot was sort of instigated by Joe Public, after the
poor critical response from Bond fans to Die Another Dud.

Thirdly..............The franchise was becoming a bit of a mockery of itself,
and if left alone would end up with a 'Police Academy' type series scenario.
I mean it was becoming stagnant..........and fans were begging the producers to re-invigorate the series.

I understand that some people were shocked by the changes in CR......and find it hard to adjust to things that they were familiar with in the previous films, were either different or missing.

BUT...........most Bond fans and the worldwide public appreciated the change in the series, which brought back some characterisation and even a half decent story.

The proof of the pudding is that in my office at work, people who would not normally go to see a Bond film because they thought they were childish or comical, actually went to see the film because of the good word of mouth, that the film was decent and had a story, rather than the odd few cheesy lines of dialogue between action scenes in the more recent films.

I'am not hailing CR or DC as the greatest thing to happen in the Bond world (because i too miss some things of the older films), but it was an interesting and refreshing change, which should ensure the good well being of the series for the near future.

True.........it wont please a small minority of Bond fans...but thats life!!

Blimey EA you've done it now........RUN AWAY before 'BJ, Skyw...and Kris'
reply.

[bjmdds]

Define what the series direction now is EA, since you find it an interesting and refreshing change.

[stockslivevan]

Blinkin heck..........i cant believe u guys are still going on about this reboot
thing.

Firstly................does anyone here really think that the Bond franchise didn't need a kick up the backside to regain some enthusiasm from the worldwide audience.

Secondly...........The reboot was sort of instigated by Joe Public, after the
poor critical response from Bond fans to Die Another Dud.

Thirdly..............The franchise was becoming a bit of a mockery of itself,
and if left alone would end up with a 'Police Academy' type series scenario.
I mean it was becoming stagnant..........and fans were begging the producers to re-invigorate the series.

I understand that some people were shocked by the changes in CR......and find it hard to adjust to things that they were familiar with in the previous films, were either different or missing.

BUT...........most Bond fans and the worldwide public appreciated the change in the series, which brought back some characterisation and even a half decent story.

The proof of the pudding is that in my office at work, people who would not normally go to see a Bond film because they thought they were childish or comical, actually went to see the film because of the good word of mouth, that the film was decent and had a story, rather than the odd few cheesy lines of dialogue between action scenes in the more recent films.

I'am not hailing CR or DC as the greatest thing to happen in the Bond world (because i too miss some things of the older films), but it was an interesting and refreshing change, which should ensure the good well being of the series for the near future.

True.........it wont please a small minority of Bond fans...but thats life!!

Blimey EA you've done it now........RUN AWAY before 'BJ, Skyw...and Kris'
reply.

Agreed.

My father always admired the Connery films and never had any interest in seeing the other Bonds. You would have never convinced him to see any Bond without Connery in it. However, because of good word of mouth through his friends, and possibly my mother too (who loved Craig in the role) my dad became interested in watching it with us. And he was surprised by how good it was.

His only disappointment was that it wasn't a period piece. He didn't know that it was a reboot instead of a prequel.

I'm sure there are plenty of Bond fans that grew disenchanted at one point in the series and regained interest with Craig stepping in.

[The Sweeney]

Define what the series direction now is EA, since you find it an interesting and refreshing change.

Bond is cool again. Under Brosnan it looked dated, worn, unoriginal, boring, cheesy, naff.

Now Bond is more hip, more violent, more gritty, more back-to-basics, more real stunts, less CGI, more characterisation, more realistic, more serious.

I appreciate not everyone likes the new approach, but hey, EON were never going to please everyone. Come November, this place will either be rejoicing, or will be in mourning. Somehow, I think it will be the latter.....

[John Drake]

Bond is cool again.

I always wanted to be James Bond...until Craig came along. I find his Bond a boorish thug. Boring. I became a Bond fan because the character was urbane and cool. He's neither now.

[English Agent]

Define what the series direction now is EA, since you find it an interesting and refreshing change.

Well 'BJ'.........I think 'The Sweeney' has answered the question as per my thoughts in a general way.............but what i like is that you now dont
know for sure what is going to happen in the films.

e.g. The films had become very formalaic, and you knew what was going to appear in the films and at what time i.e. the appaearance of Q & M,
the introduction to the Bond girls, the main action sequence being set 3/4
of the way thru the film etc, etc.

In CR however things were a little different, the big action setpieces in the film were set in the first hour of the film, and when the villian is killed
i.e Le Chiffre..........thats not the end of the film...........but it starts up again with another subplot. Plus we had some character development in the film.

With QOS, i hear the film will be 2 hours long, and the fact that there is going to be a lot of action makes me wonder how they are going to use the rest of the film for character development and plot.
I am assuming that QOS is going to move at a fast pace...but who knows
whether this film will be like CR the other Bonds, or something new entirely!!

Just a very general summary.............but i think you get my drift..

EA

[Kristatos]

Ok Kristatos. I'll buy you a beer for that too....

(I still think you are all crazy for reading waaaay too much into continuation in Bond films though...... )

That smacks of "don't think of an elephant" syndrome. If CR kept drawing attention to the fact that the continuity had been rebooted, EON can hardly complain when people notice. What was the purpose of that "Christ, I miss the cold war" line that you praise so highly if not to state, clearly and unequivocally, that this can't possibly be the same Bond we saw fighting SMERSH in previous films? If that line and the line about 9/11 hadn't been in there, I probably wouldn't have even given it a second thought.

[bjmdds]

Given CR's and QOS' trend with this reboot, that just about locks Bond #7, whoever he is, into being in his 40s then, correct, and this eliminates a true prequel from ever being done, correct, or is EON so wreckless now that after DC's hopefully short tenured Bond run, would they have the audacity to then show Bond as a novice Commander joining MI6? Imagine what happens here if that scenario ever saw the light of day!

[Skywalker]

Blinkin heck..........i cant believe u guys are still going on about this reboot
thing.

Firstly................does anyone here really think that the Bond franchise didn't need a kick up the backside to regain some enthusiasm from the worldwide audience.

Secondly...........The reboot was sort of instigated by Joe Public, after the
poor critical response from Bond fans to Die Another Dud.

Thirdly..............The franchise was becoming a bit of a mockery of itself,
and if left alone would end up with a 'Police Academy' type series scenario.
I mean it was becoming stagnant..........and fans were begging the producers to re-invigorate the series.

I understand that some people were shocked by the changes in CR......and find it hard to adjust to things that they were familiar with in the previous films, were either different or missing.

BUT...........most Bond fans and the worldwide public appreciated the change in the series, which brought back some characterisation and even a half decent story.

The proof of the pudding is that in my office at work, people who would not normally go to see a Bond film because they thought they were childish or comical, actually went to see the film because of the good word of mouth, that the film was decent and had a story, rather than the odd few cheesy lines of dialogue between action scenes in the more recent films.

I'am not hailing CR or DC as the greatest thing to happen in the Bond world (because i too miss some things of the older films), but it was an interesting and refreshing change, which should ensure the good well being of the series for the near future.

True.........it wont please a small minority of Bond fans...but thats life!!

Blimey EA you've done it now........RUN AWAY before 'BJ, Skyw...and Kris'
reply.

I wasn't against a reboot concept, even though I didn't think it was needed. In fact CR is the perfect Bond film in which to carry out a reboot. However, having a 38 year old man who looks 50 playing a young rookie Bond was just too much to accept. The re-casting of Dame Judi was abysmal (to steal a phrase from Spock, "It's M Jim, but not as we know her"), so all in all I was extremely disappointed with CR.

As for Daniel Craig and QOS, I fear it will be another Bond film that I will dislike.

[English Agent]

C'mon lads...............be positive, QOS could be a film you like.....even if you dislike DC.
At the end of the day you are very passionate Bond fans, so i hope you'll
find something to enjoy from the film in November..........i mean it must be dissapointing for you, if you can only focus on the Bond films of old.

EA

[English Agent]

'Skywalker.......i understand your issue of the age of Bond in the reboot...
but do you think the audience would of accepted a very young Bond in the film after all these years?

EA

[Skywalker]

C'mon lads...............be positive, QOS could be a film you like.....even if you dislike DC.
At the end of the day you are very passionate Bond fans, so i hope you'll
find something to enjoy from the film in November..........

EA

The end credits.

[Skywalker]

'Skywalker.......i understand your issue of the age of Bond in the reboot...
but do you think the audience would of accepted a very young Bond in the film after all these years?

EA

Who's to say with any degree of accuracy? I think it would have made the reboot concept more believable if EON had chosen a younger looking actor.

For the record, I'm not totally against DC being Bond. I admit he wasn't my preferred choice and his performance in CR was inept, but I do feel he could be an ok Bond, if the story and direction was right.

[English Agent]

C'mon lads...............be positive, QOS could be a film you like.....even if you dislike DC.
At the end of the day you are very passionate Bond fans, so i hope you'll
find something to enjoy from the film in November..........

EA

The end credits.

Blimey 'Skywalker'.

I just dont know what to say to that!!

EA

[stockslivevan]

if EON had chosen a younger looking actor.

Was that a superficial remark or did you want EON to choose someone who actually was young? Connery was 32 in Dr. No but he looked like he was pushing 40, at least by today's Hollywood's standards... Now that's an interesting topic.



Perhaps this is one of those things people bring up from time time: People today in their 30s look much younger than those who were around that age in the past. A classic example is Christopher Reeve being 26 when he played Superman but he looked like a man in his 30s while Brandon Routh, who was also the same age when he played Superman looked 10 years younger than Reeve did at that age. Craig just happens to look old Hollywood. Perhaps he rejects botox and other products his peers use?

Perhaps everyone is getting too used to that youthful look of Hollywood where everyone is more polished up.

[bjmdds]

if EON had chosen a younger looking actor.

Was that a superficial remark or did you want EON to choose someone who actually was young? Connery was 32 in Dr. No but he looked like he was pushing 40, at least by today's Hollywood's standards... Now that's an interesting topic.



Perhaps this is one of those things people bring up from time time: People today in their 30s look much younger than those who were around that age in the past. A classic example is Christopher Reeve being 26 when he played Superman but he looked like a man in his 30s while Brandon Routh, who was also the same age when he played Superman looked 10 years younger than Reeve did at that age. Craig just happens to look old Hollywood. Perhaps he rejects botox and other products his peers use?

Perhaps everyone is getting too used to that youthful look of Hollywood where everyone is more polished up.

Connery was 32 but looked pushing 40 Stocks? Craig is going to be 40 in 2 months. Do you feel Craig LOOKS younger than Connery did in Dr. No? Don't even get me started on comparing Andress to Green or this new batch of Bond girls either.

[stockslivevan]

Connery was 32 but looked pushing 40 Stocks? Craig is going to be 40 in 2 months. Do you feel Craig LOOKS younger than Connery did in Dr. No?

I don't think he looks younger than Connery in Dr. No but I think he does look younger than Connery at 41 in DAF, the closest to Craig's age by a year.



Anyway, I really don't care. Brosnan looks like he's in his 30s in GOLDENEYE compared to both of them despite being younger at those points. It's true, but I really don't care unless an actor looks like Shamu. I think Connery and Craig pull it off if even if they don't look as youthful as Brad Pitt.

Don't even get me started on comparing Andress to Green or this new batch of Bond girls either.

I was never comparing Bond girls, where did that come from BJ? And I think Green is just fine, especially with the make-up off. But I think Andress is GORGEOUS.

[carl stromberg]

Connery wasn't playing a young rookie Bond in any of his films despite looking much better than DC. I saw him in Marnie recently, made in 1964 when he had a couple of Bond films under his belt. He had refined looks and a natural class that Craig can only dream of. If Craig had been the normal established Bond we wouldn't be having this age discussion. We'd be discussing his craggy mug and its suitability for Bond but not the specific question of whether or not he was risible as a young Bond...which he was.

[English Agent]

'BJ'.............We know you dont like the casting of Craig as Bond.......but
as a film, what are you hoping to see in QOS that will make you enjoy the film?

EA

[Kristatos]

'BJ'.............We know you dont like the casting of Craig as Bond.......but
as a film, what are you hoping to see in QOS that will make you enjoy the film?

I think BJ already has his review of QOS written.

PS: 3 ducks.