The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

Not sure if she's really being an obstacle to the Cavill casting. I read it more as an effort to make her profession relevant. I mean, if casting is gonna be done through polls on X/twitter, then casting directors will be out of work.

Not really. Somebody has to cast the other roles, and do the actual grunt work of calling Cavill's agent to see if he's available.

[quantex]

Not sure if she's really being an obstacle to the Cavill casting. I read it more as an effort to make her profession relevant. I mean, if casting is gonna be done through polls on X/twitter, then casting directors will be out of work.

Not really. Somebody has to cast the other roles, and do the actual grunt work of calling Cavill's agent to see if he's available.

Bro, I get your standpoint. What I'm saying is this casting director, Debbie McWilliams, is just pointing out that there's more to casting the Bond role than just polling the public on X. She's suggesting that there's a method to the casting, which is the value that her profession brings to the table. But if these Amazon corporate dudes rely on polling and run off with that, then a casting director has zero value. They can get admin people to do the grunt work that you mentioned. I've been in the corporate world since I got out of college and believe me, the so-called C suite are stupid. They're so high level in their thinking that they don't understand the reality of things. Which is one thing I agree with Barbara Broccoli when she called these clowns “f****ing idiots.” So this Debbie McWilliams is sticking up for her profession and is pointing out that all that polling is not the way to go. That's all I'm saying.

Anyway, there's been rumors that Kathleen Kennedy of the Disney/Star Wars franchise was going to retire. Turns out, she's not.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/luc ... 30550.html

She's another bona fide wack job who did a fine job of wrecking that franchise. She ought to join forces with Barbara Broccoli and make woke films together.

[bjmdds]

It will be telling to see who the Bezos underlings decide to choose to be in charge of THEIR Bond franchise now.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Amazon have forked out quite a bit of cash to buy off Barbara. I'm expecting some dreadful Bond tv shows.

[Omega]

I’m expecting tv series’s as well however , I think amazon need to get the film bond back on its feet before spin offs .

Babs surrendered because she had 0 plans going forward , she had since 2019 to start recasting and plan a reboot , but she was like a bride on here honeymoon or whatever it was she used to say.

Thing about cubby is he defied the Hollywood norm , ran a small independent production company and showed Hollywood the possibilities of long run series of movies with a certain level of production value and be successful and part of pop culture

Most of hollywoods existence trilogies were as far as they could go, and those were half baked . With the Exception of police academy movies of course.

Babs didn’t have full control until her mother passed sway, 2004 marked the start of her bond. With the start of her unbond nubond series she slowly started the decline of the eon era of bond . Her production company got slower and slower producing movies.
Some issues were mgm being bankrupt , something she had a hand in by not producing movies in time.
Some of it she just didn’t want to work, and things must been bad enough Amazon showed her and her lawyers proof she was not trying to produce so she cashed out rather than lose out for breaking contracts

. I think after was QOS She had contracts with Sony to produce movies , after the upfront money they never heard from her again. Maybe that story has more to it and how it was reported back in 2009-10
Anyway the point was eon production company was kind of a one trick pony


Her point about Christopher Nolan is kind of half baked because she has allowed directors a lot of control and even Craig a lot of control , that this was her redline does not make sense.

If Amazon hies Christopher Nolan for a trilogy or two , something like that they could have a series again heck, they could hire some directors that eon turned down like Steven Spielberg , they’ve turned down talent that later proved they had what it took to make bond movies with the right world building and story telling, If Amazon is willing to find those people and pay them as much as they were for Babs to walk away maybe there is still a chance James Bond returns

Of course, we should note that Christopher Nolan has a lot of weird storytelling ticks like screwing with the soundtracks and other things his movies he’s a new filmmaker, but sometimes he can’t read the audience

[Omega]

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Weird part of that was brosnan was doing more than eon to make the next movie. Babs and mgw were working on a jinx spinoff . Brosnan contract had expired but was lead to believe they were earnestly negotiating withhim, which we find out later they were not

Brosnan brought Quentin Tarantino to meet Babs and mgw because he had an idea about making casino Royale a movie, until then at Casino Royale was considered to be unfilmable. It was also because MGM just got the rights to the movie from Columbia/Sony . They traded the rights for Spider-Man to Sony for the rights to Casino Royale.

the two studios ended up trading properties that both thought could not be filmed.

Supposedly, although I’ve never seen it myself, there was an early script of casino Royale done with Brosnan’s bond in mind. Later, it had to be scrapped rewritten for Craig .

Pierce Brosnan took criticism for bringing Quentin Tarantino to eon, however, he was a very hot Director at that time and while im not sure he was a good fit for the franchise. I don’t think the director of die another day was a good fit for the franchise or some of the ones that Craig had and Tarantino has shown in later works that he might’ve had the hand to do it

I understand why Babs fought Amazon, however, if cubby had been in that position, he would’ve hopped on the Amazon jet flown around the world, a couple times , and thrown four movies at them. The difference is Babs is comfortable with the money she has and cubby grew up in a generation that understood you could lose it all

[Kristatos]

Supposedly, although I’ve never seen it myself, there was an early script of casino Royale done with Brosnan’s bond in mind. Later, it had to be scrapped rewritten for Craig .

Purvis and Wade have confirmed in interviews that their first draft was written with Brosnan in mind. The idea of rebooting with a new actor only came in after Martin Campbell had been hired, and brought Paul Haggis on board.



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[bjmdds]

Nolan might very well be hired for the next Bond. I don't see Amazon worried about getting better directors that have nothing to do with Broccoli now. MGW is probably realizing Broccoli lost the company with her laziness to produce films and her insane and psychotic obsession with Cr-egg. MGW commented how his kid half sister was THRILLED to see Cr-egg shirtless. She knew that killing off her Bond was the end for her. She faked it going forward and never had any interest nor plans to do another film. She got what she wanted and now she will be honored tonight at the one hour earlier starting time Oscar awards where 10,000 voting lunatic liberals vote to give each other awards and make political speeches and think that anyone cares about them.

[Kristatos]

Given that Nolan apparently walked from a previous Bond film when EON wouldn't give him final cut, I really can't see him wanting to be part of a Marvel-style shared universe. He resisted that with his Batman trilogy, when he had far less clout than he does now.

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[bjmdds]

Amazon could give him more latitude and trust his judgment vs. the green vegetable.

[Kristatos]

Amazon could give him more latitude and trust his judgment vs. the green vegetable.

Or they could tie future Bond movies to a ton of spin-offs. They can't do both, and it sounds like they've already made their choice.

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[Omega]

I think they can do both, but step one is the movies . Disney plus and marvel are very good example of both what to do and not to do. Kathleen Kennedy is a very good example of what not to do.

There is talent out there To salvage the broccoli ruined series. And many of the spinoff ideas Babs tried to get into motion except for the part of being an effective production company that Thales ideas and turn them into reality

My expectation is they will ruin bond . I will only have the cubby series to enjoy. I really wanted a good proper bond movie after the casting couch hire moved on.


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[bjmdds]

Bad Oscars again. Internet is not happy at all with having a Bond tribute either. They showed Broccoli and her half brother for all of 2 seconds in the audience as 3 female singers that nobody cares about sang 3 Bond theme songs. The full length documentary winner about Gaza was controversial and political and these people don't get it that they only make matters worse by opening up their mouths, as the left-wing audience of buffoon actors applauded them. I only watched clips of the show as I was more interested in a show about WWE rivals Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jkzmHaLO7c

[kater23]

Didn’t watch-was hanging out with family all day-apparently i didn’t miss much.

[bjmdds]

Better off MP.

[Kristatos]

I think they can do both, but step one is the movies . Disney plus and marvel are very good example of both what to do and not to do.

Nolan once refused to put a post-credits Blorko moment in one of his Batman films because "real films don't do that." I can't see him agreeing to direct a Bond film where he would be subject to a studio note telling him to change a detail in the plot in order to set up season 2 of Leiter.

[Omega]

I think nolan would be free to do a dark night trilogy on its own kind of deal and the writers for spinoff would have to reverse engineer so to speak.
Problem dc had is it departed from his trilogy to follow Snyder’s vision . They are still course correcting

If Amazon’s wants a movie series then giving Nolan complete control might happen , but i still expect Amazon to screw it up

Didnt Nolan have a list credit scene in dark knight rises the one that was supposed to set up the spinoff Robin ?


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[dirtybenny]

It is possible to make an "extended universe" without making it all interconnected. It's all going to depend on who Amazon gets to act as project manager on the Bond property. Do they want to keep it simple with stand alone programs that may or may not have the actors cross over into the main films, or do they want to make Moneypenny season 2 required viewing to have any clue what's going on. Now I know what you're going to say; "Of course they want to link it all up, it will insure people watch the other programs!" However I think the writing's on the wall that this formula is passe'. So again it depends on who they install as program manager and how well they have their finger on the pulse of the industry.

Frankly I don't want Nolan or any other auteur involved, we already saw a Dark Knight Bond, it was called Skyfall. Now of course Nolan would do Nolan much better than Mendes, but I'm sure it will be another "gritty" interpretation.

Now all of this is moot as we're all sure it's going to be crap. The one saving grace in my mind is at least it'll be different crap. I mean what do we want here, we whine and moan about Babz and now we're whining and moaning about not Babz. Bond as we knew him is dead and buried, Babz and Dan murdered him, he's never coming back. We all knew what we would've gotten from Babz, more introspective, soul searching melodrama. Guaranteed garbage, at least this way there is a very small chance something watchable may come out of this.

[bjmdds]

Jason must have liked Sydney Sweeney, not our own Sweeney, at the Oscars last night, auditioning for a Bond girl in the next, and yet first, Amazon rendition of Bond. She would bring back the Densie Richard casting days:

[Kristatos]

However I think the writing's on the wall that this formula is passe'. So again it depends on who they install as program manager and how well they have their finger on the pulse of the industry.

Well, jumping on a bandwagon just as it's slowing to a halt is a venerable Bond tradition.