The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[carl stromberg]

I thought I'd make the 2000th reply to this thread.

[bjmdds]

I've heard there is a twenty-five minute scene in the next film where Craig eats a Pot Noodle and watches Eastenders. I for one can't wait!

Does he get to wobble that Pot Noodle in front of a mirror?

No, he'll wobble it in front of the TV that he's watching Eastenders on.

To start the third millenium of posts, what are the Eastenders?

[bjmdds]

What surprises do you anticipate, or want Kris? Will it involve suicidal thoughts by Bond, bi-sexuality, drug addictions, an Oedipus complex with M, or some other fringe subject of Bond's psyche?

I don't know what surprises Forster is talking about. It sounds like standard pre-movie puffery to me. You mention drug addiction, though - showing Bond taking Benzedrine as he did in the novel of LALD would be very surprising. I can't imagine EON having the nerve, though, since it would mean an instant 18 certificate in the UK. Don't know what the MPAA guidelines are on drugs, but the BBFC states:

Any misuse of drugs must be infrequent and should not be glamorised or instructional.

at the 12A category and

Drug taking may be shown but the film as a whole must not promote or encourage drug misuse.

at the 15 category. I'd have thought that showing Bond taking drugs to enhance his job performance would certainly "encourage and glamorise" drug uge.

Politically liberal Haggis and Forster may try to 'push the envelope' with the character of Bond this time,and try to 'shock and awe' the general masses, neglecting the true long time life long Bond fans with TBM.

[James]

I've heard there is a twenty-five minute scene in the next film where Craig eats a Pot Noodle and watches Eastenders. I for one can't wait!

Does he get to wobble that Pot Noodle in front of a mirror?

No, he'll wobble it in front of the TV that he's watching Eastenders on.

To start the third millenium of posts, what are the Eastenders?

Here you go BJ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnders

For me the funniest episodes were when Nick Cotton tried to poison Dot and Arthur Fowler had a nervous breakdown and threw that cup of tea over himself. If you don't come from Britain you won't have the faintest idea what I'm talking about...

[Kristatos]

Now you live in the US, Kristatos, do you have to import Pot Noodles, or do they have them there?

Why would I want to import them? Seriously, though, there is a British shop where I live that could probably get them for me if I wanted them. Then again, maybe not. I've been badgering them for ages to import my favourite Disgusting British Foodstuff, Fray Bentos steak & kidney puddings, for ages, but they haven't done it yet, probably cos I'm the only bugger that likes them.

[katied]

Why would I want to import them? Seriously, though, there is a British shop where I live that could probably get them for me if I wanted them. Then again, maybe not. I've been badgering them for ages to import my favourite Disgusting British Foodstuff, Fray Bentos steak & kidney puddings, for ages, but they haven't done it yet, probably cos I'm the only bugger that likes them.

LOL Totally off topic but I've tried Pot Noodles and..not my favorite.The U.S. has Cup Noodles, which are essentially the same thing,but a little less gross. My favorite thing:British Candy.Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[bjmdds]

Katied:how excited are you by the revelation that Forster plans to concentrate on Bond's inner psyche in TBM?

[katied]

I like it;better than some of the suggestions/rumors for plots that I've heard.

[bjmdds]

Is 'psyche exploration' more important to you than an exciting 'action adventure' for Bond?

[Kristatos]

Is 'psyche exploration' more important to you than an exciting 'action adventure' for Bond?

Why are you so violently opposed to giving Bond any character depth whatsoever?

[bjmdds]

Bond is ACTION and ESPIONAGE and ESCAPISM, not a Sigmund Freud evaluation of what makes Bond's psyche tick. Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets or quarrel with himself over why he just killed a terrorist?

[carl stromberg]

Now you live in the US, Kristatos, do you have to import Pot Noodles, or do they have them there?

Why would I want to import them? Seriously, though, there is a British shop where I live that could probably get them for me if I wanted them. Then again, maybe not. I've been badgering them for ages to import my favourite Disgusting British Foodstuff, Fray Bentos steak & kidney puddings, for ages, but they haven't done it yet, probably cos I'm the only bugger that likes them.

If we ever have a DCINB dinner the menu could consist of Pot Noodle, Vesta Curry and some sort of Fray Bentos pie/pudding in a tin. For afters? Angel Delight of course.

[The Sweeney]

Bond is ACTION and ESPIONAGE and ESCAPISM, not a Sigmund Freud evaluation of what makes Bond's psyche tick. Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets or quarrel with himself over why he just killed a terrorist?

You're talking in extremes again, bj.

How about - Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets, or rely on his wits to get himself out of a tricky situation. I think that is more closer to EON's vision with Bond 22.

[Kristatos]

Bond is ACTION and ESPIONAGE and ESCAPISM, not a Sigmund Freud evaluation of what makes Bond's psyche tick. Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets or quarrel with himself over why he just killed a terrorist?

I'd like a bit of both. Plot, character and spectacle. Over-reliance on gadgets is not a good thing, but neither is too much navel-gazing. There needs to be a balance between the two.

[stockslivevan]

I'm with Kristatos and Sweeney. Sure I would like my Bond films to have some adventure, but not void of intelligence like the Brosnan era. Take OHMSS for example. There was more reliance on character development, romance, and Bond relying on his skills rather than gadgets most of the time. And that film turned out to be one of the most classic Bond films of all time.

To me that's more of an epic film than say The Spy Who Loved Me. You actually cared for characters and that's how I want to feel while watching a Bond film.

I don't understand BJ why you're opposing every single thing going on in Bond 22. You don't like Craig, that's fine. But why do you want everything else to fail? Is it simply because Craig is in the film and you want everything to fail as much as possible so he could get the boot? If Christian Bale were playing Bond exactly the same way Craig is and everything else was intact, would you oppose Bale and the films the same way as Craig?

[Kristatos]

If Christian Bale were playing Bond exactly the same way Craig is and everything else was intact, would you oppose Bale and the films the same way as Craig?

I know that question was addressed to BJ, but I'm going to throw in my $0.02 anyway. I think CR would have had problems even with Bale as Bond. My annoyances with the reboot and the film's sluggish pace would still be there. Now, if they'd used Batman Begins's director as well as its star, that would have been different. A Nolan/Bale Casino Royale would have kicked ass. Probably.

[bjmdds]

I'm with Kristatos and Sweeney. Sure I would like my Bond films to have some adventure, but not void of intelligence like the Brosnan era. Take OHMSS for example. There was more reliance on character development, romance, and Bond relying on his skills rather than gadgets most of the time. And that film turned out to be one of the most classic Bond films of all time.

To me that's more of an epic film than say The Spy Who Loved Me. You actually cared for characters and that's how I want to feel while watching a Bond film.

I don't understand BJ why you're opposing every single thing going on in Bond 22. You don't like Craig, that's fine. But why do you want everything else to fail? Is it simply because Craig is in the film and you want everything to fail as much as possible so he could get the boot? If Christian Bale were playing Bond exactly the same way Craig is and everything else was intact, would you oppose Bale and the films the same way as Craig?

I do not recognize nor accept this entire 'experiment' since 2006 as Bond, simple. If you want a pysche driven spy film to watch, there are 3 choices out there, the Bourne trilogy. I do not feel you grasp the divergent direction that Haggis/Forster may be planning for the next Bond film. Comparisons keep being made with OHMSS and TSWLM. There could be more Layer Cake than Bond in TBM, due out this November. I see NOTHING of Bond in Craig's films. CR made no sense trying to delete the past 20 films from our memory banks, and now a psychological profile to be explored of Bond? Bale would have been a perfect choice for a TRUE remake.

[bjmdds]

Bond is ACTION and ESPIONAGE and ESCAPISM, not a Sigmund Freud evaluation of what makes Bond's psyche tick. Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets or quarrel with himself over why he just killed a terrorist?

You're talking in extremes again, bj.

How about - Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets, or rely on his wits to get himself out of a tricky situation. I think that is more closer to EON's vision with Bond 22.

Where did you see Craig's Bond use his wits to get out of a tricky situation?

[stockslivevan]

Bond is ACTION and ESPIONAGE and ESCAPISM, not a Sigmund Freud evaluation of what makes Bond's psyche tick. Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets or quarrel with himself over why he just killed a terrorist?

You're talking in extremes again, bj.

How about - Would you prefer to see Bond defeat the villains with his superior gadgets, or rely on his wits to get himself out of a tricky situation. I think that is more closer to EON's vision with Bond 22.

Where did you see Craig's Bond use his wits to get out of a tricky situation?

A small bit would be figuring out that ellipsis was the password and the cardplaying. Unless I am missing something, the book never really did put Bond in a situation where his life was in danger and he manages get out of it.

[stockslivevan]

I'm with Kristatos and Sweeney. Sure I would like my Bond films to have some adventure, but not void of intelligence like the Brosnan era. Take OHMSS for example. There was more reliance on character development, romance, and Bond relying on his skills rather than gadgets most of the time. And that film turned out to be one of the most classic Bond films of all time.

To me that's more of an epic film than say The Spy Who Loved Me. You actually cared for characters and that's how I want to feel while watching a Bond film.

I don't understand BJ why you're opposing every single thing going on in Bond 22. You don't like Craig, that's fine. But why do you want everything else to fail? Is it simply because Craig is in the film and you want everything to fail as much as possible so he could get the boot? If Christian Bale were playing Bond exactly the same way Craig is and everything else was intact, would you oppose Bale and the films the same way as Craig?

I do not recognize nor accept this entire 'experiment' since 2006 as Bond, simple. If you want a pysche driven spy film to watch, there are 3 choices out there, the Bourne trilogy. I do not feel you grasp the divergent direction that Haggis/Forster may be planning for the next Bond film. Comparisons keep being made with OHMSS and TSWLM. There could be more Layer Cake than Bond in TBM, due out this November. I see NOTHING of Bond in Craig's films. CR made no sense trying to delete the past 20 films from our memory banks, and now a psychological profile to be explored of Bond? Bale would have been a perfect choice for a TRUE remake.

BJ, calm down. You're dooming and glooming again. Can't you put a little optimism for once and stop focusing on looking for something negative all the time? When Forster/Haggis make Bond a more three-dimensional character, you act like it is the end of the world. That doesn't make him more Bourne, that just makes him more of a character. Millions of other films have done that, even in the past Bond films attempted. Why do you single out Bourne?

Perhaps your anger at Craig's Bond film being a success is blinding you from looking at anything positive.