but the other Bonds were not praised as the 'great' actor Craig is
What's the problem with a lot of people thinking he's a great actor? Just because you do not find him particularly interesting doesn't mean it's so.
There is a vast number out there who seem to think DC would be doing this on his own without the JB label, and that is not the case.
I can recall people saying that he would have done fine in his career without Bond (including myself). He seemed to be doing good as far as character actors go by starring in a notable film like Layer Cake and getting to work with Speilberg, before the spotlight shifted to him once he got the Bond role. But I do not remember any mentioning that Daniel Craig would have had the same exact success without EON. I could see him become a character actor favorite for avid movie fans if he never took Bond, but if he became a big name everyone keeps praising about like today without the help of EON skyrocketing his name into the pop culture consciousness, it might have been awhile longer or perhaps never.
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bjmdds wrote:No,but the other Bonds were not praised as the 'great' actor Craig is, nor would they be anything without Bond. There is a vast number out there who seem to think DC would be doing this on his own without the JB label, and that is not the case. Eon pushes their Bonds, all of them, on the tabloids.
Fair enough. Craig has been pushed into the spotlight because of Bond, so now everyone knows who he is. So of course he would have more chance to win these polls now, mainly due to exposure.
But these polls are not about what a `great' actor he is, so I don't know why you keep bringing that up. It is irrelevant to this particular argument.
Also, do you think Robert Redford was winning sexiest men polls in the mid 60's, before he appeared in Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid?
but the other Bonds were not praised as the 'great' actor Craig is
What's the problem with a lot of people thinking he's a great actor? Just because you do not find him particularly interesting doesn't mean it's so.
There is a vast number out there who seem to think DC would be doing this on his own without the JB label, and that is not the case.
I can recall people saying that he would have done fine in his career without Bond (including myself). He seemed to be doing good as far as character actors go by starring in a notable film like Layer Cake and getting to work with Speilberg, before the spotlight shifted to him once he got the Bond role. But I do not remember any mentioning that Daniel Craig would have had the same exact success without EON. I could see him become a character actor favorite for avid movie fans if he never took Bond, but if he became a big name everyone keeps praising about like today without the help of EON skyrocketing his name into the pop culture consciousness, it might have been awhile longer or perhaps never.
IF Craig is considered such as great actor to play Bond, why hasn't any other of his films been successful at the box office, aside from CR with it's built in audience of Bond fans? My contention is that Craig is pure hype, both in his acting skills, as well as his popularity. Hype can go only so far.
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bjmdds wrote:Redford drew fans into the seats in "many" of his films as the leading actor. Craig doing that lately Sweeney?
Redford's first blockbuster hit was Butch Cassidy. Craig's first blockbuster hit was CR.
However, Redford's next few films were not that successful - Downhill Racer, Tell them Willie Boy is Here, The Candidate, Little Fauss and Big Halsy (flopped badly), The Hot Rock and Jermiah Johnson. Redford's next blockbuster hit was not until 4 years later, when he appeared in The Sting and The Way We Were.
Craig's next probable blockbuster hit will be Bond 22, made only 2 years after CR. Therefore, Craig is ahead of Redford if we look at identical parallels.
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but the other Bonds were not praised as the 'great' actor Craig is
What's the problem with a lot of people thinking he's a great actor? Just because you do not find him particularly interesting doesn't mean it's so.
There is a vast number out there who seem to think DC would be doing this on his own without the JB label, and that is not the case.
I can recall people saying that he would have done fine in his career without Bond (including myself). He seemed to be doing good as far as character actors go by starring in a notable film like Layer Cake and getting to work with Speilberg, before the spotlight shifted to him once he got the Bond role. But I do not remember any mentioning that Daniel Craig would have had the same exact success without EON. I could see him become a character actor favorite for avid movie fans if he never took Bond, but if he became a big name everyone keeps praising about like today without the help of EON skyrocketing his name into the pop culture consciousness, it might have been awhile longer or perhaps never.
IF Craig is considered such as great actor to play Bond, why hasn't any other of his films been successful at the box office, aside from CR with it's built in audience of Bond fans? My contention is that Craig is pure hype, both in his acting skills, as well as his popularity. Hype can go only so far.
I still don't see Craig as a big star.......yet! Therefore, I am not suprised he hasn't had any blockbuster hits yet.
The Sweeney wrote:I still don't see Craig as a big star.......yet! Therefore, I am not suprised he hasn't had any blockbuster hits yet.
In terms of popularity and recognition I personally feel he has reached his peak. Like his version of Bond, he lacks 'star quality' and charisma. He struggles badly in interviews. I can't see him ever being the Star attraction like, Cruise, Stallone, Willis, Bale, Costner, Pacino, De Niro... to name but a few.
“I'd like to thank the Royal Marines for bringing me in like that and scaring the s--- out of me,” Bond Hardman Daniel Craig.
The Sweeney wrote:I still don't see Craig as a big star.......yet! Therefore, I am not suprised he hasn't had any blockbuster hits yet.
In terms of popularity and recognition I personally feel he has reached his peak. Like his version of Bond, he lacks 'star quality' and charisma. He struggles badly in interviews. I can't see him ever being the Star attraction like, Cruise, Stallone, Willis, Bale, Costner, Pacino, De Niro... to name but a few.
I don't think Craig has reached his peak in terms of popularity 'Skywalker', his non Bond films may be so so at the moment.....but in terms of Bond i think he will again be on top of the world come Nov 2008..........it may take some years before he pulls in big crowds for his non Bond films, but that is largely due to the type of film projects he takes on.
The scenario was the same for previous Bond actors!!.
Arthur Brain wrote:I don't think Craig has reached his peak in terms of popularity 'Skywalker', his non Bond films may be so so at the moment.....but in terms of Bond i think he will again be on top of the world come Nov 2008..........it may take some years before he pulls in big crowds for his non Bond films, but that is largely due to the type of film projects he takes on.
The scenario was the same for previous Bond actors!!.
EA
Even if Bond 22 is a success, I can't see DC's stock rising any higher. He just does not have the personality or likability factor to be more popular than what he is.
His trunks wearing scene got him plenty of female fans and these are the ones that ensured the impressive admissions for CR. The problem for Craig is that he ain't getting any younger and the torso scenes are going to sway the ladies forever.
“I'd like to thank the Royal Marines for bringing me in like that and scaring the s--- out of me,” Bond Hardman Daniel Craig.
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Arthur Brain wrote:I don't think Craig has reached his peak in terms of popularity 'Skywalker', his non Bond films may be so so at the moment.....but in terms of Bond i think he will again be on top of the world come Nov 2008..........it may take some years before he pulls in big crowds for his non Bond films, but that is largely due to the type of film projects he takes on.
The scenario was the same for previous Bond actors!!.
EA
Even if Bond 22 is a success, I can't see DC's stock rising any higher. He just does not have the personality or likability factor to be more popular than what he is.
His trunks wearing scene got him plenty of female fans and these are the ones that ensured the impressive admissions for CR. The problem for Craig is that he ain't getting any younger and the torso scenes are going to sway the ladies forever.
Not sure actually. I have heard a few females on TV saying how much he oozes sex appeal when meeting him in person. Others have said about how piercingly blue his eyes are.
The director of Layer Cake thought he looked like a movie star when first meeting him, saying he was very similar to Steve McQueen. Even McQueen's wife has said this.
It all depends on what roles he chooses after Bond 22. If he plays a few cool McQueen type roles (kick-ass cop, etc.) then he has the potential to become a massive star. Unfortunatley, he is picking crappy films to star in at the moment, and should be choosing more films like Layer Cake and Munich.
I totally disagree with my longtime good buddy, the Sweeney. Under NO circumstances will Daniel Craig ever become a massive star in movies, because other than Bond he has no draw appeal as a stand alone lead, and his only appeal as Bond in one film was the 'tone' of the film, not Craig's performance. Sweeney, I found the actual storyline plot of CR rather dull and boring and would not bother to watch it when on television in syndication. What excitement did the 'actual plot', not the 'tone' of CR, deliver for you, after the film went colorized?
Blofeld the villain in Bond 22? The return of SPECTRE? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_22 And we all thought he went down a chimney stack in his wheelchair in FYEO. Way to go Haggis. Great ORIGINAL concept, if true.
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bjmdds wrote:Sweeney, I found the actual storyline plot of CR rather dull and boring and would not bother to watch it when on television in syndication. What excitement did the 'actual plot', not the 'tone' of CR, deliver for you, after the film went colorized?
I think the novel was always one of the weaker ones that Fleming wrote, but the parts I like are -
1) Bond's battle with Le Chiffre at cards
2) The whole scene leading up to Bond's gruesome torture
3) The relationship with Bond and Vesper afterwards, and Vesper's ultimate betrayal at the end.
bjmdds wrote:his only appeal as Bond in one film was the 'tone' of the film, not Craig's performance.
Even you would know it simply is not the case. Unless you think everyone who says "Daniel Craig is a terrific James Bond" is getting secretly paid by EON, I can't see how you'd come to that conclusion for Casino Royale's success.
And BJ, come on. Why do you always have to jump on the gun when a rumor is brought up?
By the way, congrats on getting the 00 title before reaching a thousand points.
bjmdds wrote:Sweeney, I found the actual storyline plot of CR rather dull and boring and would not bother to watch it when on television in syndication. What excitement did the 'actual plot', not the 'tone' of CR, deliver for you, after the film went colorized?
I think the novel was always one of the weaker ones that Fleming wrote, but the parts I like are -
1) Bond's battle with Le Chiffre at cards
2) The whole scene leading up to Bond's gruesome torture
3) The relationship with Bond and Vesper afterwards, and Vesper's ultimate betrayal at the end.
The three things thay you cited, a card game(I prefer the card game in The Sting), a torture scene(I prefer Brosnan's Bond in the start of DAD), and Bond's relationship with Vesper(nothing like that in OHMSS),do not total a heck of a lot of time for the 140 minute film. In fact, how do any of your three choices correlate to a James Bond action film? As Dalton says to Terry Funk jr. in Roadhouse, "Opinions vary". I guess that is what makes these forums go 'round.
bjmdds wrote:his only appeal as Bond in one film was the 'tone' of the film, not Craig's performance.
Even you would know it simply is not the case. Unless you think everyone who says "Daniel Craig is a terrific James Bond" is getting secretly paid by EON, I can't see how you'd come to that conclusion for Casino Royale's success.
And BJ, come on. Why do you always have to jump on the gun when a rumor is brought up?
By the way, congrats on getting the 00 title before reaching a thousand points.
Speaking of rumors, would Stocks like the title of Craig's second Bond outing to be "007", where after 46 years of Bond films, the public finally learns how he was given that number, IF true?
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bjmdds wrote:Sweeney, I found the actual storyline plot of CR rather dull and boring and would not bother to watch it when on television in syndication. What excitement did the 'actual plot', not the 'tone' of CR, deliver for you, after the film went colorized?
I think the novel was always one of the weaker ones that Fleming wrote, but the parts I like are -
1) Bond's battle with Le Chiffre at cards
2) The whole scene leading up to Bond's gruesome torture
3) The relationship with Bond and Vesper afterwards, and Vesper's ultimate betrayal at the end.
The three things thay you cited, a card game(I prefer the card game in The Sting), a torture scene(I prefer Brosnan's Bond in the start of DAD), and Bond's relationship with Vesper(nothing like that in OHMSS),do not total a heck of a lot of time for the 140 minute film. In fact, how do any of your three choices correlate to a James Bond action film? As Dalton says to Terry Funk jr. in Roadhouse, "Opinions vary". I guess that is what makes these forums go 'round.
The parts I outlined there ran for approximately half of the film (70 minutes worth). That is because the novel was not very lengthy in the first place.
Plus, that doesn't mean to say I don't like the first half either, which was not like the novel. I like both halves equally the same.
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Sweeney wrote:
3) The relationship with Bond and Vesper afterwards, and Vesper's ultimate betrayal at the end.
I love this part of the novel too. Maybe that's why I didn't care for Craig's Bond or the film.
I thought the love scenes were done very well in the film, especially with David Arnold composing his best Barry imitation score to date.
However, I wasn't that keen on the actual suicide part. I still prefer the ending the way it happens in the novel - but I guess that wasn't very cinematic to show for a Bond film, which has typically been massive explosions, destroying villains lairs, fighting with baddies, etc.
bjmdds wrote:his only appeal as Bond in one film was the 'tone' of the film, not Craig's performance.
Even you would know it simply is not the case. Unless you think everyone who says "Daniel Craig is a terrific James Bond" is getting secretly paid by EON, I can't see how you'd come to that conclusion for Casino Royale's success.
And BJ, come on. Why do you always have to jump on the gun when a rumor is brought up?
By the way, congrats on getting the 00 title before reaching a thousand points.
Speaking of rumors, would Stocks like the title of Craig's second Bond outing to be "007", where after 46 years of Bond films, the public finally learns how he was given that number, IF true?
We learned how in Casino Royale, and I don't really give these rumors any thought because they always turn out to be what they are: Rumors. Remember the whole rumor on James Bond not wearing a tuxedo in Casino Royale? And still the press likes to dump fuel on that fire by calling Bond 22 "Property of the Lady" as much as they call Dalton's third movie the same title.
I don't take these rumors seriously and I'm not gonna waste my time on that subject. I stick to what I know is a fact and discuss it.
