The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

Stocksilvian wrote
Besides, it's like I said since the beginning, The Golden Compass has no effect on Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond. If EON cared about Brosnan's non-Bond career he would have been gone. And even today, Brosnan's only big films were the Bond films, unless you count Mrs. Doubtfire.

You are comparing Pierce Brosnan, TV actor who had just made a Mike Graham TV film to Daniel Craig who, according to whoever has been paid off by Sony this week, is the world's greatest and most exciting "young" actor.

If Craig is half the actor that people keep telling me he is, then he should get a new agent.

Absolutely correct Carl. A TV actor being compared to the so-called 'best' actor to ever portray Bond, as Campbell stated. Craig's career, at age 39, is what it is, and will probably never be anything more, especially once the air is let out of his CR balloon.

[bjmdds]

From what Forster has recently said about himself, I do not understand why Eon chose him. He admits to not be an action film director. He wants to do Bond 22 because of Craig's interpretation that Bond's psyche be explored. Is that what you want from Bond 22?

I can name you a couple of directors that have never directed an action movie yet managed to make a big hit with their first action film.

Besides, every action director has a first time. No one is born being capable of directing action. Let's see how Forster does.

It is this 'character driven' notion that Haggis/Craig/Forster want to pursue that makes no sense. Do you want to see Bond cry, feel sickened after his kills, get emotionally attached to his women, etc?

[The Sweeney]

Do you want to see Bond cry, feel sickened after his kills, get emotionally attached to his women, etc?

Yes. This would be more in line with the novels.

[The Sweeney]

Boxofficemojo has the actual box office take for TGC at $25.8 million, and they stated the film did underperform, given it's budget. I too am tired of these bought off ratings Craig is getting from these obvious planted rankings. Who the heck is Daniel Craig to be considered the 3rd most sexy movie star out there? Are they kidding and believing the public even knows who he is? If DC walked down the streets of many worldwide cities, who would even notice him?

If the rankings are planted, then there are tons of them out there right now. Are you meaning to say that every single poll that Craig tops is a plant? Does this mean the same for Brozza when he used to top the polls?

[The Sweeney]

Stocksilvian wrote
Besides, it's like I said since the beginning, The Golden Compass has no effect on Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond. If EON cared about Brosnan's non-Bond career he would have been gone. And even today, Brosnan's only big films were the Bond films, unless you count Mrs. Doubtfire.

You are comparing Pierce Brosnan, TV actor who had just made a Mike Graham TV film to Daniel Craig who, according to whoever has been paid off by Sony this week, is the world's greatest and most exciting "young" actor.

If Craig is half the actor that people keep telling me he is, then he should get a new agent.

Absolutely correct Carl. A TV actor being compared to the so-called 'best' actor to ever portray Bond, as Campbell stated. Craig's career, at age 39, is what it is, and will probably never be anything more, especially once the air is let out of his CR balloon.

Harrison Ford was in his mid 30's when he played Han Solo for the first time. He must have been 40 when he first played Indiana Jones, so I don't think age is relevant.

I can see you guys are hoping Craig's career fails, but if Bond 22 is an even bigger success than CR, then it probably isn't beyond the realms of imagination to see his star status increasing rapidly.

[stockslivevan]

Yes, Pierce Brosnan was a big TV actor at the time in the mid '80s, but of course his popularity wared out and was no where close to Roger Moore's TV popularity. Remington Steele got canceled on its third year, got revived during Bond hype, got canceled again right after. Studios saw Brosnan with film star potential, but his films hardly generated enough popularity. He went from Lawnmower Man lead actor to Mrs Doubtfire supporting actor then back down to TV film fodder.

Brosnan's career clearly was going down the s***ter by the mid 90s as a one note TV has-been, until Bond revived his career just as much as it revived itself. Thanks to Bond, it merely postponed the direction Brosnan's career was heading and now that his Bond tenure is over, he's close to getting back to where he was before Bond saved his career.

As opposed to Daniel Craig's career, which was slowly building up. He went from TV guest star roles (Young Indiana Jones) to supporting film roles (Elizabeth) to a well regarded character actor (Layer Cake). So far he played supporting roles in two box office flops. I doubt studios are going to think "Oh it's probably because Craig isn't that popular" and forget all other possibilities on why these films were avoided such as "well these films just do not look interesting to go see" (especially on INVASION's case)

I like Daniel Craig as an actor, but even I never considered seeing THE INVASION or THE GOLDEN COMPASS because of the content, nothing else. They just didn't look anything special, and the poor reviews aren't helping matters.

Besides, it's not like we've never had an actor that had two flops but still stood strong.

[carl stromberg]

Sweeney wrote
I can see you guys are hoping Craig's career fails

No! I do hope he gets the sort of roles Owen and Bale get - then he may be too big for Bond!

Stocksilvian wrote
Brosnan's career clearly was going down the s***ter by the mid 90s as a one note TV has-been, until Bond revived his career

I agree - that's what I said!

But don't try to tell me Daniel Craig was a big star or about to come one. He was appearing in TV films and having only bit-parts in big films.

I'm almost as much of a film and TV nerd as the next person, but I hardly knew who Craig was when he was cast as Bond. What does that suggest?

[Gary Seven]

I don;t think Daniel Craig will be a big star like Johnny Depp or Christian Bale. He will make a good living making smaller movies and appearing in bit parts.

Brosnan had the cult Remington Steele behind him. Craig had nothing to make him a cult figure before Bond.

Bond will be Craig's most well known role by far.

[bjmdds]

Boxofficemojo has the actual box office take for TGC at $25.8 million, and they stated the film did underperform, given it's budget. I too am tired of these bought off ratings Craig is getting from these obvious planted rankings. Who the heck is Daniel Craig to be considered the 3rd most sexy movie star out there? Are they kidding and believing the public even knows who he is? If DC walked down the streets of many worldwide cities, who would even notice him?

If the rankings are planted, then there are tons of them out there right now. Are you meaning to say that every single poll that Craig tops is a plant? Does this mean the same for Brozza when he used to top the polls?

Any Bond actor is bought and paid for by Eon Sweeney, you know that. It is not Craig per se that gets his name on these lists, it is Eon's money. When you see Craig ahead of Cruise, Pitt, Owen, Law, etc., in any of these polls, one would think you naive to consider them legitimate. I am not a Brosnan fan, but he played Bond well. The rest of his films are marginal;however, he was not 'branded' as a great actor who played Bond, as the current fellow is.

[bjmdds]

I don;t think Daniel Craig will be a big star like Johnny Depp or Christian Bale. He will make a good living making smaller movies and appearing in bit parts.

Brosnan had the cult Remington Steele behind him. Craig had nothing to make him a cult figure before Bond.

Bond will be Craig's most well known role by far.

Craig wishes he was in the same league with the other two actors you mentioned. By all accounts, Bale would have been perfect as a prequel Bond.

[007]

I'm almost as much of a film and TV nerd as the next person, but I hardly knew who Craig was when he was cast as Bond. What does that suggest?

That Craig, his agent and bank manager owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Barbara Broccoli.

[stockslivevan]

I'm almost as much of a film and TV nerd as the next person, but I hardly knew who Craig was when he was cast as Bond. What does that suggest?

It suggests that you missed out. Of course the average Joe wouldn't have known Craig before Bond, but that doesn't make Craig less qualified for Bond just because he didn't have a short lived TV show.

I really hate that kind of thinking when it comes to casting Bond. Tabloid predictions. That's almost as bad as Hugh Grant being considered Bondian just because he has an accent and is famous at the time, that doesn't qualify him automatically. It's like when Americans in the mid-80s wanted Brosnan and were smug on Dalton simply because they were too fixed on a well known rather than giving an unknown a chance. But then again that was the '80s when substance wasn't as important as how good your hair looked.

[English Agent]

'BJ' i seem to remember you asking what the BO for the Golden Compass was in the UK.

Well the opening weekend figure was:- £7,243,984 if you double that you'll get roughly the US $ equivalent.

It does seem that GC was much better accepted in the UK than the US.

The film did reasonably well in other European openings.

EA

[bjmdds]

Yes EA, TGC did over $14 million in the UK and surrounding areas. Being Craig is the UK's sudden Clark Gable, I would have been surprised if it did poorly there. We will see week number 2 where it goes in the UK.

[stockslivevan]

Once again another "epic" film that doesn't do well in the US as well as other countries. Quite a trend.

[The Sweeney]

Any Bond actor is bought and paid for by Eon Sweeney, you know that. It is not Craig per se that gets his name on these lists, it is Eon's money. When you see Craig ahead of Cruise, Pitt, Owen, Law, etc., in any of these polls, one would think you naive to consider them legitimate. I am not a Brosnan fan, but he played Bond well. The rest of his films are marginal;however, he was not 'branded' as a great actor who played Bond, as the current fellow is.

But we are not talking about winning polls as a great actor. We are talking about winning sexiest men polls. And I have seen enough female actors swoon over him on interviews, read enough women journalists declaring him to be such, seen and heard enough female audiences in chat shows whistle and yell in approval, hell even my wife thinks so too.

Therefore, I don't find it hard to believe he can win in these sexiest men votes. You may not think he is suited to Bond - fine, you may not think he has the chops to be seen as the next Brando - fine, but maybe you are being naive, or living in hope that the polls are fixed when it comes to women fancying him.

Are you telling me Russell Brand, Jonathan Ross, Jack Dee and the entire audience were being paid by EON too, when Craig appeared on there the other week?

[The Sweeney]

I'm almost as much of a film and TV nerd as the next person, but I hardly knew who Craig was when he was cast as Bond. What does that suggest?

That he wasn't that well known before Bond - the same way Connery wasn't well known in 1962.

This is the way it should be. I would have hated a well-known actor to have played Bond. Clive Owen was originally my first choice back then, as he was relatively unknown too.

[bjmdds]

Any Bond actor is bought and paid for by Eon Sweeney, you know that. It is not Craig per se that gets his name on these lists, it is Eon's money. When you see Craig ahead of Cruise, Pitt, Owen, Law, etc., in any of these polls, one would think you naive to consider them legitimate. I am not a Brosnan fan, but he played Bond well. The rest of his films are marginal;however, he was not 'branded' as a great actor who played Bond, as the current fellow is.

But we are not talking about winning polls as a great actor. We are talking about winning sexiest men polls. And I have seen enough female actors swoon over him on interviews, read enough women journalists declaring him to be such, seen and heard enough female audiences in chat shows whistle and yell in approval, hell even my wife thinks so too.

Therefore, I don't find it hard to believe he can win in these sexiest men votes. You may not think he is suited to Bond - fine, you may not think he has the chops to be seen as the next Brando - fine, but maybe you are being naive, or living in hope that the polls are fixed when it comes to women fancying him.

Are you telling me Russell Brand, Jonathan Ross, Jack Dee and the entire audience were being paid by EON too, when Craig appeared on there the other week?

If Craig was not Bond, would he even be in the running in any of these polls, yes or no?

[stockslivevan]

Any Bond actor is bought and paid for by Eon Sweeney, you know that. It is not Craig per se that gets his name on these lists, it is Eon's money. When you see Craig ahead of Cruise, Pitt, Owen, Law, etc., in any of these polls, one would think you naive to consider them legitimate. I am not a Brosnan fan, but he played Bond well. The rest of his films are marginal;however, he was not 'branded' as a great actor who played Bond, as the current fellow is.

But we are not talking about winning polls as a great actor. We are talking about winning sexiest men polls. And I have seen enough female actors swoon over him on interviews, read enough women journalists declaring him to be such, seen and heard enough female audiences in chat shows whistle and yell in approval, hell even my wife thinks so too.

Therefore, I don't find it hard to believe he can win in these sexiest men votes. You may not think he is suited to Bond - fine, you may not think he has the chops to be seen as the next Brando - fine, but maybe you are being naive, or living in hope that the polls are fixed when it comes to women fancying him.

Are you telling me Russell Brand, Jonathan Ross, Jack Dee and the entire audience were being paid by EON too, when Craig appeared on there the other week?

If Craig was not Bond, would he even be in the running in any of these polls, yes or no?

If Connery was not Bond, would he have been in any of the running polls, yes or no?

[bjmdds]

No,but the other Bonds were not praised as the 'great' actor Craig is, nor would they be anything without Bond. There is a vast number out there who seem to think DC would be doing this on his own without the JB label, and that is not the case. Eon pushes their Bonds, all of them, on the tabloids.