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I've posted about this in other threads, but I thought it deserved a thread of its own. To recap, my answer is in two parts. When I saw the publicity photo that accompanied the announcement of the casting...

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...my first thought was "That's James Bond?" Blond hair wasn't the issue, since his hair looks dark in the photo, I just thought he looked like something out of a Guy Richie gangster movie. And I wasn't exactly reassured by the fact that I couldn't remember who he was, despite having seen several films with him in. But I thought that maybe once I watched the film, my mind would adjust to the new Bond, just as it had with Tim and Pierce. And during the pre-credits sequence and much of the parkour chase, it did. But then came the line "Holster the bloody weapon, Carter, we need him alive!" There was something so un-Bondlike about both the line itself and Craig's delivery of it that it made me realise that this was not the same character played by Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. All these actors had their own take on the character, but it still felt like they were playing the same man. Not so with Craig.

So what about you? When did you realise that Daniel Craig Is Not Bond?
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The minute I saw his pugilistic mug on tv. His press conference only confirmed it on the river.
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Upon first seeing Craig announced as the new James Bond, my reaction was also "That's James Bond?" I'll confess, when Craig was being bashed for his looks, I kind of felt sorry for him. And when I saw Sir Roger on TV saying people should give Craig a chance, I figured perhaps he's right. So I gave Casino Royale a watch when it came out on DVD, and I didn't care for it. Even after giving it another chance, I still felt the same, and didn't understand what all the hype was about.

But then I thought, this is only Craig's first Bond film, perhaps his second will be better. Plus, the ending to Casino Royale did kind of give the impression that Craig's next film might be a little more along the lines of a traditional Bond film. But we all know how that turned out. Quantum Of Solace not only caused me to despise Craig's Bond, it opened my eyes to the type of Bond films the producers really wanted to make.
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I thought he was a bizarre choice when he was cast. James Bond is tall and handsome with some charm. Also Casino Royale was to show a young Bond on his first mission: so why was Craig cast?

I joined the MI6 forum to take part in the debate and criticise the casting. Daniel Craig was a very divisive choice.

I thought I may have been wrong when the reviews for Casino Royale started to appear. My fears that Craig would ruin the series were confirmed when I saw Casino Royale.
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The Saint 007 wrote:Upon first seeing Craig announced as the new James Bond, my reaction was also "That's James Bond?" I'll confess, when Craig was being bashed for his looks, I kind of felt sorry for him. And when I saw Sir Roger on TV saying people should give Craig a chance, I figured perhaps he's right. So I gave Casino Royale a watch when it came out on DVD, and I didn't care for it. Even after giving it another chance, I still felt the same, and didn't understand what all the hype was about.

But then I thought, this is only Craig's first Bond film, perhaps his second will be better. Plus, the ending to Casino Royale did kind of give the impression that Craig's next film might be a little more along the lines of a traditional Bond film. But we all know how that turned out. Quantum Of Solace not only caused me to despise Craig's Bond, it opened my eyes to the type of Bond films the producers really wanted to make.
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I'd been off him for a while(and this has been discussed on another thread) but I can sum it up in one word: Cheater.
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For me, it was just after QOS.

When Craig was first announced as Bond, I had no idea who he was, but I was optimistic that we wouldn't have anymore Mannequin Man. It's his performances, and the way EON have handled Bond during his time that has put me right off the future films. I don't like Craig as Bond or as an actor, but a lot of what came out of the backlash was childish.
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It had to be the first publicity shots of Craig as "Bond." Hm, I thought, maybe it's just poor photography, maybe he looks different, etc. of course I knew it wasn't so. In 'reel life' he looked just as bad as in the stills, and his movement, his persona was 'The Man Who Would Be Bond but Never Will Be.' I really thought the majority of Bond fans would just boo him off the stage. I hoped that the Bond sites would rise up and give the Babs a big shock. At the time I was a member of AJB, nice guys and fair. But then so many were in support of Craig that I, sadly, wrote my Bonded OHMSS-style 'Letter of Resignation' and from that time on, have never returned to post. I recall browsing once, but that was it. AJB prior to Craig supported the previous actors as authentic Bond-material, so it was a big shock when many liked Craig. I thought, well, what happened to the Connery-Moore-Brosnan-Dalton-Lazenby fans? Craig was nothing like these guys, yet AJB guys just did a 180 and seemed to forget the original Bond.
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Is it being a fan of "Bond" no matter what? Being a fan of the franchise with all that entails?

On some level " Bond fans" were feeling left out of the other spy franchises so they wanted the Bourne treatment. There were poor scripting and othe issues throughout the series.... However

Personally I believe they love the idea of what Bond was [\u]. Beyond the idea of what Bond was there was no actual investment in who he was.

It was ten years this march 4th where the future of the series was decided by the passing of a very lovely lady who was in charge and the Torch was handed off to her daughter who promptly snuffed the flame out.

Barbara proceeded to remould the name Bond in to anything but, for whatever reasons the fans who should have been the first to object rathered be on the "right" side of the narrative rather then be on the right side of history when all is said and done.

Besides I always thought is was odd Daniels biggest champions always complained there were only 2 maybe 3 good movies in the past 21/22/23 movies.

By the way one year I went through a metric ton of photos so rounding the PR of the latest (at the time) movie, I was shocked how many odd to awful picture Daniel had, 8 out of 10 angles for a raw photo shoot /PR event were shockingly illustrative why he is wrong for the part. Most angles are unflattering so the one used and the filters or whatever are used in the movies have to be painstaking done to avoid the raw face of Daniel.
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Blowfeld wrote:Is it being a fan of "Bond" no matter what? Being a fan of the franchise with all that entails?
I still consider myself a fan, even though I criticise aspects of the series which I don't like, and my jaded feelings towards the future of the series.
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I went off Bond when it was officially announced they tapped Craig.
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QoS: "I'm motivated by my duty."

But seriously, when Craggy was first announced as "James Bond" for CR, I was initially on the "let's give him a chance & just wait and see" side to avoid being associated with the negative and defeatist vibes that the "haters" were accused of by Babs' Marketing Machine playing up its "underdog" angle. Plus the overkill of excess from the last 3/4ths of Pierce Brosnan's polarizing run, topped off by the rampant smug (especially from Halle Berry's "Jinx") of DAD left me burnt-out and vulnerable enough to mistake CR as a "better" Bond movie, aided by the four-year gap to whet my appetite for anything new to come.

And to my horror and chagrin now, I bought it. Like the apologists for CR, I was trying to rationalize Craggy's casting and portrayal as "not that bad" because he was a "different kind of James Bond" which was somehow "necessary" for these changing times. Instead of really just acknowledging that it was a bad move, I was trying to empathize with the party-line's explanations about it being a "wonderful" new direction for the series, and not wanting to be an idiot for not "understanding" it.

Then QoS arrived in all of its incoherent, self-important, migraine-inducing shambles, revealing that that CR's "superiority" was not only a fluke, but a FRAUD. That was confirmed by the CR rewatch with my blinders OFF to make me accept The Truth that Daniel Craig was not and never will be James Bond 007. And believing that didn't make me a narrow-minded "hater", but a proud dissenter, through which I was able to see SkyFault for the pretentious bull$#!+ it really was without buying into the phony media hype that called it (and Craggy) the "Best Bond EVA!"

But mostly, I just HATE that f#/+ing line. "I' MO-tUH-vay-TuhD bye Mye DU-TEE". That's just crying out for that glorious scene from the original Poseidon Adventure when Gene Hackman's rebel preacher rails at the stupid Purser for duping most of the Ballroom Survivors to stay put and "wait for help to arrive" instead of saving themselves with Team Hackman's daring climb up to safety, which would probably go something like this:

Craggy-Bond (mumbling): "I'm motivated by my duty."

Hackman: "For what? To be a pouty poser sitting on his butt?"

Craggy-Bond (pouting): "That's not true!"

Hackman: "It IS true, you POMPOUS ASS!"

IIRC, shortly afterwards another explosion causes the Ballroom to flood, killing everyone who stayed behind with that stupid Purser while most of Team Hackman escapes and are indeed rescued, though sadly not Hackman himself. But at least HE was Right. And so am I regarding Craggy not being Bond, and THAT's the most important thing, isn't it?
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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:
Blowfeld wrote:Is it being a fan of "Bond" no matter what? Being a fan of the franchise with all that entails?
I still consider myself a fan, even though I criticise aspects of the series which I don't like, and my jaded feelings towards the future of the series.
in general if the changes made to date were listed plainly from the start a great many who now herald Daniel would have balked at the changes.
What puzzles me how so many found it easier to go along with the official franchise. I have no issue with any criticism of the old series, in its own way the hackneyed methods employed by the producers deserves it. Hard to imagine now but they (the producers) despite all the newly found praise have not truly changed their ways or techniques.

Perhaps what bothers me the most is not "Craig!" himself (Place pic of Bill Shatner shouting Kahn here), althou unsuited for the job the driving force behind him specifically Barbara and the lock step fan base were it is heresy to question the direction of the series as well as the actor personifying the decline.
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Barry Niven wrote:QoS: "I'm motivated by my duty."

But seriously, when Craggy was first announced as "James Bond" for CR, I was initially on the "let's give him a chance & just wait and see" side to avoid being associated with the negative and defeatist vibes that the "haters" were accused of by Babs' Marketing Machine playing up its "underdog" angle. Plus the overkill of excess from the last 3/4ths of Pierce Brosnan's polarizing run, topped off by the rampant smug (especially from Halle Berry's "Jinx") of DAD left me burnt-out and vulnerable enough to mistake CR as a "better" Bond movie, aided by the four-year gap to whet my appetite for anything new to come.

And to my horror and chagrin now, I bought it. Like the apologists for CR, I was trying to rationalize Craggy's casting and portrayal as "not that bad" because he was a "different kind of James Bond" which was somehow "necessary" for these changing times. Instead of really just acknowledging that it was a bad move, I was trying to empathize with the party-line's explanations about it being a "wonderful" new direction for the series, and not wanting to be an idiot for not "understanding" it.

Then QoS arrived in all of its incoherent, self-important, migraine-inducing shambles, revealing that that CR's "superiority" was not only a fluke, but a FRAUD. That was confirmed by the CR rewatch with my blinders OFF to make me accept The Truth that Daniel Craig was not and never will be James Bond 007. And believing that didn't make me a narrow-minded "hater", but a proud dissenter, through which I was able to see SkyFault for the pretentious bull$#!+ it really was without buying into the phony media hype that called it (and Craggy) the "Best Bond EVA!"

But mostly, I just HATE that f#/+ing line. "I' MO-tUH-vay-TuhD bye Mye DU-TEE". That's just crying out for that glorious scene from the original Poseidon Adventure when Gene Hackman's rebel preacher rails at the stupid Purser for duping most of the Ballroom Survivors to stay put and "wait for help to arrive" instead of saving themselves with Team Hackman's daring climb up to safety, which would probably go something like this:

Craggy-Bond (mumbling): "I'm motivated by my duty."

Hackman: "For what? To be a pouty poser sitting on his butt?"

Craggy-Bond (pouting): "That's not true!"

Hackman: "It IS true, you POMPOUS ASS!"

IIRC, shortly afterwards another explosion causes the Ballroom to flood, killing everyone who stayed behind with that stupid Purser while most of Team Hackman escapes and are indeed rescued, though sadly not Hackman himself. But at least HE was Right. And so am I regarding Craggy not being Bond, and THAT's the most important thing, isn't it?
I think different automatically equaled better to a great number of people. I completely understand most if the criticism of the past series, yet I bristle at the hyperbole surrounding the new one.

Daniel is not Ian Fleming's 007, he is not Cubby's, Saltzman's nor Dana's 007. All he is to me is Barbara Broccoli's "James Bond" which is in name only, justified by the percentage of the movie rights she can legally lay claim to. Her father and more importantly the man who created the icon would be unable to recognise their creation today.

However that would be fine with me if the pretence behind Barbara's Bond were not this is the definitive Bond as Ian and her father designed him to be.

That and the fact so much money was spent to creat a narrative and positive spin it nearly make me ill at the thought. I remember the thinly valid friends of EON making appearances on the Bond boards trying to sway opinions, the whole we can judge if until we see it, then if we did see it and happen to judge it unfavourably we were not supposed to say a word because don't know what it is like to act or write or direct.

In hindsight if EON were upfront about their intentions from the start (as well as leaving room for us dissenters to have a valid objection) I doubt very much if I'd been bothered by Ms Broccoli's half arsed attempt.
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It's ironic that in the real world of spies and politics, spin plays such an important part. In fact, they have 'special departments' for this. So Babs has rightfully played her hand: you can bowl over a great many people by informing (braincleaning) them that "we're going a real Bond now, and if you'll read further between the lines even a better Bond that is closer to the original intention of Fleming, blah blah blah." And we have to raise an eyebrow that so many Bond fans -- who have read the books and seen all of the movies -- have played their sixes to Bab's nine, "Oh, Babs, you're right! Banco!" And I wonder why if 'that game' with Texas Hold-em, why didn't 'Bond' just wear a cowboy hat and boots, he would've been the definitive 'Bond.' "And definitely distinctive...." :cuss:
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I am yet to reach such a moment. He's not my fav Bond, but he's not my most disliked. I really liked Casino Royale and Skyfall but need no invitation in joining in on the Quantum of Solace hating. It just felt like an overly long conclusion to Casino Royale as opposed to being its own film (and having a rap song for the intro credits wtf?). I would probably still watch it over Die Another Day or Octopussy (Bond's all time low imo).

The films are a lot different to what they used to be, but that is down to the writers and directors mostly, so I for one don't blame Craig for every screw up.
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I'm one of those extremists who would dislike a Craig Bond film even if it I thought it was one of the best films in the series. But the Craig Bond have been average, modern "gritty" spy films that I have not enjoyed.
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I tell you exactly: 29 September 2021, when an official James Bond film showed James Bond committing suicide under a rain of missiles to please ScreenRant writers and fake Bond fans yelling: "iTs TiMe To KiLl BoNd"

No false sentiment: I didn't hate Craig when he was announced as Bond. Enjoyed CR, mostly for Campbell's direction and because it seemed to serve as a "build-up" to more traditional Bond films. Gotta admit I did enjoy SPECTRE as well, but mostly because it *tried* to bring back the formula and it seemed a suitable finale for this era. After all, his personal motivation was seeking solace, and he got it with Madeleine. As rushed as the relationship between the two was, I felt overall it was a Bondian, optimistic ending. Before you're surprised, I tell you that you may find many articles speaking well of his films before, but after TTD I don't even consider him Bond and I'll never rewatch his movies. Not gonna sell what I own of his era just for memories related to people that gave me those as a gift.

Following up the events of SPECTRE in TTD seemed pointless, because there was simply no loose ends other than Blofeld probably escaping. Yet they reduced Blofeld to a stupid cameo, with "Bond" killing him accidentally to confirm to the audience that he's really stupid, and made that weirdo a main villain who had a past stalking Madelame. If you see exactly, in TTD Bond is a secondary character: he quickly vanishes from the gunbarrel to give us Madelame's story (first sign that "Bond" doesn't matter here), then when she's out of her "revival" of the past, he just walks pointlessly, looks at her asking: "Are you all right?" (second sign that "Bond doesn't matter here") As for the rest, you feel the Cuba and Jamaica scenes are there just to show us this is Madelame Swann's movie and "Bond" kills himself because she has to move on with her daughter. Madelame drives Bond's car and says the words "Bond James Bond" (third sign that "Bond doesn't matter here").

And what has Craig to do with a script that was written by someone else, because, you know, he's an actor? Well, that's makes it crystal clear:
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How can any Bond fan invest their time to accept Blofeld as a step-brother NS? Once that was shown, it should have been game, set, and match for any Bond fan. Just look at his face and demeanor as well to portray Bond. I am glad you finally saw the true light of day with Broccoli's creation. I find him intolerable to watch in any film.
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Well, I guess that after a couple of films where the gunbarrel was everywhere and Bond didn't get the girl, something seemingly close to the formula was welcomed. You know, imagine you've been hunngry for months and you are offered a BigMac, which is trash food but at least tastes like food. Other than that, I have personal connections to this film. You know, the person I watched it with. But then again, if you push for Bond's death, you are a traitor. And that excuse for a human being has been plotting it since 2017 at least when he agreed to return. He didn't slash his wrists, instead, he slashed Bond's wrists onscreen. And there are no more James Bond fan sites, just EON embassies all over the world.

I've just remembered when I stood up in front of 40 kids mocking me for being a James Bond fan in my early teen years. No matter how weird they thought I was, I always held Ian Fleming's creation as an exemplar of bravery, strength, patriotism, honor and manhood. Now... I'm standing up in front of uncountable underpaid EON employees (aka "James Bond fans as much as you and me") mocking me for exactly the same reason: defending the best values of Ian Fleming's incredible creation.
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