Barry Niven wrote:Neither. I find them both terrible. TND's only advantages were the Dr. Kaufman scene (how freakin' COOL was that to actually see Vincent Schiavelli of all people as a Bond Villain, and have it work?) and its comparatively simple-to-follow plot, which was only an accident based on the behind-the-scenes turmoil that "simplified" it. But TWINE may actually be worse as it's only sympathy vote for Desmond Llewelyn's farewell scene as the Definitive-Q is quickly tossed into the compost heap with the jarring shift onto Bond watching Elektra's video recounting her "escape" from her captors, with that HORRIBLE moment of Bond "emphatically" touching the video screen as the playback shows her pouring her crocodile tears for all the World to witness her overwrought emotional trauma. Jesus f**king Christ that sucked.
Despite the repeated insistence that removing Denise Richards alone would've salvaged the film, I just don't agree at all. Between Michael Apted's indifferent handling of the action sequences and his apparent enabling of Sophie Marceau's flouncy Drama-Queen antics ("It is MAH oyull! MAHn!! The OYYulll flows threw MAH VaynZZ, thickurr than bludd!"), that puts him on my $#!+ list of Modern One-Shot Directors who contributed to the current movies' heavy-handed melodrama. Richards' just makes an easy scapegoat since she's 1) NOT attractive, 2) CAN'T act, and 3) has NO class and a serious attitude problem. How else to explain how she grates the very first second she butchers a simple line like "I'm going to get some air" and comes off as a total B!+CH?
Basically, TWINE was just another example of their "one-step forward, two-steps back, and one in another dimension" policy that mangled everything up in the long run. With Brosnan's apparent demand that they hire a REAL director after not getting along with Roger Spottiswoode on TND, they partially placated him with Apted based on the man's "drama" credentials. And to atone for the Terri Hatcher blunder (who Brosnan didn't like either), they aimed to fill the supporting cast with REAL actors like Marceau and Robert Carlyle. And then they promptly blew it with the hiring of fanboy kiss-ass hacks Purvis & Wade to pen the script (with only a token nod to Bruce Feirstein to "polish" their dominant work as his "Final Bow"), no-class Denise Richards, and the most boring excuse for a climax on a submarine after only 8 seconds of a "war scene" (Zukovsky and four guys shooting at offscreen bad guys on a SMALL DOCK). What a terrible waste. Of money.
Disagree completely.Both of these movies are FAR from terrible.TND is all around decent,has some brilliant scenes and good action scenes that keep your adrenaline going although the action is TOO much at the end.TWINE,on the other hand I love despite Denise Richards.This movie has all around a more complexed story,relations between characters and characters themselves.And about that scene where Bond is watching Elektra interview after she "escaped"-it wasn't too much drama and soap-operaesque and it was well done.I wonder what do you have to say about the whole" kissing hand under the water" thing in CR or infact the whole thing between Vesper and Bond.I mean that armour conversation about heart and whatnot.God,I wanted to bang my head.Also,how the hell can Bond say "If you do what I do for too long you will remain without soul.I'm taking what's left." Dude,you just got licence to kill in the beggining of the movie.I mean
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Bond doesn't worry about his soul for freaking sake he cares about England."For England,James." "But James,I need you." "So does England." "Oh,the things I do for England." Why the hell did the guy in CR(i REFUSE to call him Bond) became secret agent in the first place??? Lord,the whole thing in CR just couldn't have been done worse...they turned Bond into a guy says lines lik "That's because you know what I can do with my little finger." Puke.
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James Bond does sex puns with style not in a "completely freaky and sleazy and I wanna throw up way"...Lord.
Bascally,the biggest thing is that Apted made a fatal mistake with throwing Christmas Jones in the story.He himself said how the thing between bond and Elektra is a real deal(from Bond's side).How when they are together in bed there is no light puns and usual stuff,that "it's real".Great,brilliant.I loved the scene,the chemistry between Brosnan and Marceau is great.But,good grief,why throw another girl in story then?????
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Apted,you have explaining to do.