The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

I just watched QoS again on DVD, and I was bored with it after 5 minutes. Utter crap!!!!

How can EON go from making the best Bond movie ever in CR, to one of the crappest. The two films are poles apart, and QoS deserves every bit of slating it gets!!! If Bond 23 is anything like QoS, then I fear the Bond franchise is over....well over for EON anyway!!

And you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this. Him and Dench are the only decent things in QoS.

Tossers!!!!!!

Craig is Bond. His input defined his Bond. All of his interviews showed he supported all of the decisions made. Therefore, he IS to blame for it's massive critical failures for HE alone defined a sour, dour, depressed, and frankly horrid interpretation of the iconic role.

[bjmdds]

d**n right they're playing second fiddle to Bourne...and they don't care

The Kite Runner.....Forster......Bond ......now Eon's mindset is Slumdog Millionaire....Boyle......You Only Bourne Twice .....Eon is both arrogant and clueless in their mindset, devoid of reality, and showing NO positive initiative in correcting their mistakes.

[katied]

I'm sure this is going to bring the EON defender out of retirement but I'm going to say it:


EON haven't been relevant for a while. They're doing it *their* way and it's going to ruin them. They're arrogant(that's putting it mildly.) Bond will continue,but it's not gonna be pretty.


Like the Bond films but you don't like the current direction?You're a heretic, if you go by at least one Bond board's rationale.

[The Sweeney]

Craig is Bond. His input defined his Bond. All of his interviews showed he supported all of the decisions made. Therefore, he IS to blame for it's massive critical failures for HE alone defined a sour, dour, depressed, and frankly horrid interpretation of the iconic role.

Don't agree, BJ. The problems I have with QoS lie with the muddled story, the pathetic fast-rapid-blink-and-you-miss-it action sequences, the weak characters, the unnecessary hurried pace, the crappy awful song, the pretentious directing.

Craig's portrayal shines through depite the film itself. He is the only decent thing in the movie (something many of the negative reviews have also picked up on).

[Milton Krest]

I just watched QoS again on DVD, and I was bored with it after 5 minutes. Utter crap!!!!

How can EON go from making the best Bond movie ever in CR, to one of the crappest. The two films are poles apart, and QoS deserves every bit of slating it gets!!! If Bond 23 is anything like QoS, then I fear the Bond franchise is over....well over for EON anyway!!

And you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this. Him and Dench are the only decent things in QoS.

Tossers!!!!!!

I do agree Sweeny that the film is a disaster but Craig's acting is Absolutly terrible!!! i mean really wooden!!!! its gotta be comparable to Keanu Reeves in that bloody awful The Day Stood Still remake! The guy cant act for a hill of beans! Dont get me started on the editing, it gave me a headache!

[Milton Krest]

I just watched QoS again on DVD, and I was bored with it after 5 minutes. Utter crap!!!!

How can EON go from making the best Bond movie ever in CR, to one of the crappest. The two films are poles apart, and QoS deserves every bit of slating it gets!!! If Bond 23 is anything like QoS, then I fear the Bond franchise is over....well over for EON anyway!!

And you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this. Him and Dench are the only decent things in QoS.

Tossers!!!!!!

Craig is Bond. His input defined his Bond. All of his interviews showed he supported all of the decisions made. Therefore, he IS to blame for it's massive critical failures for HE alone defined a sour, dour, depressed, and frankly horrid interpretation of the iconic role.

Thats spot on!!! the death of an iconic character killed in the space of 2 movies! that takes some doing!! He looked like if he smiled his face would crack into a thousand pieces!

[007]

I just watched QoS again on DVD, and I was bored with it after 5 minutes. Utter crap!!!!

How can EON go from making the best Bond movie ever in CR, to one of the crappest. The two films are poles apart, and QoS deserves every bit of slating it gets!!! If Bond 23 is anything like QoS, then I fear the Bond franchise is over....well over for EON anyway!!

And you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this. Him and Dench are the only decent things in QoS.

Tossers!!!!!!

Imagine how we feel. At least you can stomach the Bond actor.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Craig is such an awful Bond that I feel he would ruin a really good Bond movie. Casino Royale was an interesting movie ruined by the ridiculous concept of a young Bond early in his career played by 40 year old craggy Craig.

His eye wateringly dull performance in Quantum of Solace, although hindered by the bizarre script, leads me to believe that a winning Bond performace will always be beyond his reach.

[katied]

Imagine how we feel. At least you can stomach the Bond actor.

Hey,at least Sweeney's nice about it

[bjmdds]

Mamma Mia! came in at $602 million. QOSTBM ended at $576 million. Eon must be stunned by this considering how much more they spent attempting to bolster Craig's Bond deficiencies.

[bjmdds]

I just watched QoS again on DVD, and I was bored with it after 5 minutes. Utter crap!!!!

How can EON go from making the best Bond movie ever in CR, to one of the crappest. The two films are poles apart, and QoS deserves every bit of slating it gets!!! If Bond 23 is anything like QoS, then I fear the Bond franchise is over....well over for EON anyway!!

And you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this. Him and Dench are the only decent things in QoS.

Tossers!!!!!!

I do agree Sweeny that the film is a disaster but Craig's acting is Absolutly terrible!!! i mean really wooden!!!! its gotta be comparable to Keanu Reeves in that bloody awful The Day Stood Still remake! The guy cant act for a hill of beans! Dont get me started on the editing, it gave me a headache!

Agree. Reeves ruined TDTESS as Craig ruined the Bond franchise. Two boring, wooden and FOGETTABLE actors.

[katied]

Mamma Mia! came in at $602 million. QOSTBM ended at $576 million. Eon must be stunned by this considering how much more they spent attempting to bolster Craig's Bond deficiencies.

LOL EON are chumps with a capital C!

[The Sweeney]

Mamma Mia! came in at $602 million. QOSTBM ended at $576 million. Eon must be stunned by this considering how much more they spent attempting to bolster Craig's Bond deficiencies.

Eh? I hate QoS as much as anyone, but comparing it to Mamma Mia is irrelevant, depsite having a co star who was a former Bond. They are two completely different genres. If you want to compare Bond against any other film at the BO, compare it to Bourne, which is more relevant.

[bjmdds]

Russiatoday.com is stating Eon is in talks with Angelina Jolie to star alongside Craig in Bond 23 and it might even be a recurring role for her in subsequent Bond films. Eon is also hinting Bond 23 will not be released until November 2011. If these things are true, Eon has still not gotten the message. Craig will be an even older looking 43 by then and tag teaming him with Jolie is a desperate attempt to move Craig forward as Bond. Everything Or Nothing has become the latter.....NOTHING!

[katied]

Angelina?Oh H*ELL NO. And yeah, it'd be an obvious(failed) attempt to make Craig look younger.

[Kristatos]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to casting rumours at this stage. Especially seeing as Angelina was supposed to be in the last one as well.

Have we had the Connery/Lazenby/Moore/Dalton to return as a villain rumour yet?

[katied]

There was a rumor about Frieda Pinto playing a Bond girl but...not true.When people start dragging out the rumors about who might be playing a Bond Girl, who might be directing, and they're people you know would never be in a Bond film, then you know people are bored/fanboying

[Mazer Rackham]

On Rotten Tomatoes, the ratings were as follows -

GE 80%
TND 55%
TWINE 52%
DAD 59%
CR 94%
QoS 65%

It's no suprise that QoS was higher than 3 of Brozza's flicks, and CR tops them all with a massive 94%. You can try and spin this any way you want, but Craig is more popular with the critics, and at the BO than Brozza was overall - and only after 2 films.

Sorry sunshine. The Brozza RTs are lopsided. Unless you truly believe that DAD was better than the previous two movies.

It's a new media age and the old RTs do not translate well. They also added new reviews to old tacking polls without updating to include the all of the original reviews.
Brozza got very high praise in his lost outing from critics for his performance.

[Mazer Rackham]

http://commanderbond.net/article/6086

‘He’s a loose canon. In fact, [the film] could be called Closure because that’s what he’s looking for.’ -Daniel Craig

That would be better name too bad some dumbass insisted of Quark

‘I think they have to have what they’ve always had—and that is a very strong central figure,’ he said. ‘That’s an obvious thing to say and I also think that they have to take you somewhere else, to transport the audience. I maintain that.’

What? Strong central figure? Like Chairman Mau perhaps?
He doesn't maintain anything rather he shows his inability to maintain.

‘I was thinking about this earlier and what defined those early movies was the fact that they went on location as much as they did. They maybe faked a few places—as we still do and we have to—but those early ones they went to some incredible "places. I can’t remember which one it is, but on one of those early ones they went to Tokyo. Imagine getting a film crew to Tokyo!’

This is definitively coming from guy who isn't a fan of the films and no bloody clue as to what made them work.

‘We all talked about what we remembered from the earlier Bond films and that’s what stayed with us—the fact that you were transported to somewhere you wouldn’t normally see.’ -Daniel Craig

Because he didn't normally see them. Last Bond film he watched in the theaters was LALD

‘I remember being a kid and looking at the films and going “that’s why I want to be James Bond”—plus the girls and the cars, of course.’

Now we know this is a lie, just ask his mum. Or him 3 years ago.

When asked what specifically was appealing about the James Bond character, Craig cited the fact that ‘he’s this apolitical civil servant who knows exactly what he is doing and is very good at his job. Within our political system we potentially have this organisation, the civil service, where you hope that there are good people making decisions for us, the people.’

Then why did they go to all the trouble of politicizing the last movie? And make Bond an incompetent ninny?

‘Even though Fleming was an aspiring upper class person, he invented this man for everybody—and I think Sean [Connery] playing him on screen added to that. Somewhere inside Bond he believes he is doing the right thing even though he kills people all the time! But I love that element about him—that somewhere inside him he knows what is morally right.’

Fleming didn't invent an everyman, he invented a inspired decadent character aspiring for the finer things, which also served as inspiration for the people his the declining empire. Connery's interpretation was far beyond that of a "everyman"


He is right that Bond always believes he is morally right, which make the morally ambiguous way Craig insisted on playing him a mystery

[Mazer Rackham]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to casting rumours at this stage. Especially seeing as Angelina was supposed to be in the last one as well.

Have we had the Connery/Lazenby/Moore/Dalton to return as a villain rumour yet?

Too right

There was a rumor about Frieda Pinto playing a Bond girl but...not true.When people start dragging out the rumors about who might be playing a Bond Girl, who might be directing, and they're people you know would never be in a Bond film, then you know people are bored/fanboying

Angelina, if there is any truth to the rumor, would be looking more at the M role than a Bond Girl.

Some things make me suspicious of this, for one thing she can write her own ticket in Hollywood for just about anything she wants, as well as how far away production still is.