The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[katied]

Eh, "pleased" isn't the right word..I just don't see the logic in giving Craig the pink slip right.now.

[oscartheman]

Fox News just listed the worst films of 2008 and guess what was number 3?..........are you ready?..........The Bourne Mimicry, aka, QOS.....I have more than a quantum of solace with that honor being bestowed on this pile of non-Bondian rubbish......congrats to Fox news on their keen perspective....the gang at MI6 and CB.net will bury this news somewhere on their websites so few will notice it, or undermine Fox news' list.

What beat it? Indy 4?

[James]

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/feature ... licks.html

"Stop hiring Paul Haggis to write James Bond movies. Who's idea was this? Who looked at the Bond franchise and said, "We need more of that 'Crash,' vibe, that 'In the Valley of Elah' thing that Haggis does so well."

Girls, martinis, one-liners. Is that so hard? Are you really telling us that Bond's most meaningful opposite-sex relationship is with Judi Dench?

We don't need Bond to expose the corruption of major intelligence services while somebody follows him around with a hand-held camera. We've got Jason Bourne for that."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 13405.html

R.I.P.

"The brooding, humourless James Bond. Let's hope so, anyway. Quantum of Solace raked in the same box-office millions as every Bond film does on opening weekend, but the mood of 007 fans I spoke to on Monday morning was angry disappointment. They all said that unless Daniel Craig gets a twinkle in his eye, a smutty pun on his lips, and one of Q's gadgets in his briefcase, they'll spend the next Bond opening weekend at home with their Octopussy DVDs."

[Milton Krest]

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/feature ... licks.html

"Stop hiring Paul Haggis to write James Bond movies. Who's idea was this? Who looked at the Bond franchise and said, "We need more of that 'Crash,' vibe, that 'In the Valley of Elah' thing that Haggis does so well."

Girls, martinis, one-liners. Is that so hard? Are you really telling us that Bond's most meaningful opposite-sex relationship is with Judi Dench?

We don't need Bond to expose the corruption of major intelligence services while somebody follows him around with a hand-held camera. We've got Jason Bourne for that."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 13405.html

R.I.P.

"The brooding, humourless James Bond. Let's hope so, anyway. Quantum of Solace raked in the same box-office millions as every Bond film does on opening weekend, but the mood of 007 fans I spoke to on Monday morning was angry disappointment. They all said that unless Daniel Craig gets a twinkle in his eye, a smutty pun on his lips, and one of Q's gadgets in his briefcase, they'll spend the next Bond opening weekend at home with their Octopussy DVDs."

How ironic that the people who praised Craig in royale are now realising that he is not Bond! he never will be! pretty damming really and vindicates this site! Craig does not have the skills to be Bond, he has zero charisma!

[bjmdds]

The truth always wins out in the end. The experiment is over. Time to regroup. If they keep Craig for what will likely be The Bond Ultimatum, Eon is in for an even ruder awakening for Craig is NOT capable of being likeable, charming, escapist, and the Bond that is wanted. 'Gritty' was the code name for this supposed change. I say, 'sh---y' was the true code name for Craig's Bond. Get rid of him.

[LilleOSC]

How ironic that the people who praised Craig in royale are now realising that he is not Bond! he never will be! pretty damming really and vindicates this site! Craig does not have the skills to be Bond, he has zero charisma!

I agree, Milton Krest. It makes me wonder why exactly people liked CR. All of those things were missing in CR that The Independent and philly.com mentioned. I'm not sure how many "average" people really liked Craig's Bond (I am excluding the Craig fans). Craig was a new Bond and he did bring a different take on the character, but maybe most people do miss Q, Moneypenny, and Bond's former qualities (charm, suave, etc.). I do know some people that liked CR and said it felt nothing like Bond.

[Captain Nash]

The truth always wins out in the end. The experiment is over. Time to regroup. If they keep Craig for what will likely be The Bond Ultimatum, Eon is in for an even ruder awakening for Craig is NOT capable of being likeable, charming, escapist, and the Bond that is wanted. 'Gritty' was the code name for this supposed change. I say, 'sh---y' was the true code name for Craig's Bond. Get rid of him.

You really do talk some...crap bj
Maybe I could take the rap...for that.
Heh look, I made my post rhyme just like yours.

Daniel Craig IS James Bond OO7

Hooray!

[carl stromberg]

How ironic that the people who praised Craig in royale are now realising that he is not Bond! he never will be! pretty damming really and vindicates this site! Craig does not have the skills to be Bond, he has zero charisma!

I agree, Milton Krest. It makes me wonder why exactly people liked CR. All of those things were missing in CR that The Independent and philly.com mentioned. I'm not sure how many "average" people really liked Craig's Bond (I am excluding the Craig fans). Craig was a new Bond and he did bring a different take on the character, but maybe most people do miss Q, Moneypenny, and Bond's former qualities (charm, suave, etc.). I do know some people that liked CR and said it felt nothing like Bond.

I agree! The critics who loved Casino Royale are now attacking QOS for continuing the new direction. Eon must be confused.

Maybe the critics thought Casino Royale was a one-off. Or they felt sorry for Craig after the attacks his casting received, so gave Casino Royale a good review. Maybe Casino Royale was overrated; more and more people seem to be criticising Royale now.

[bjmdds]

The truth always wins out in the end. The experiment is over. Time to regroup. If they keep Craig for what will likely be The Bond Ultimatum, Eon is in for an even ruder awakening for Craig is NOT capable of being likeable, charming, escapist, and the Bond that is wanted. 'Gritty' was the code name for this supposed change. I say, 'sh---y' was the true code name for Craig's Bond. Get rid of him.

You really do talk some...crap bj
Maybe I could take the rap...for that.
Heh look, I made my post rhyme just like yours.

Daniel Craig IS James Bond OO7

Hooray!

It finished 18th this weekend in the USA, Christmas weekend. It underperformed in your home continent. It underperformed in the UK.It underperformed in Germany. Poor critical reviews. Lower box office revenue. Higher production costs. Poor storyline. Bad villains. Dour Bond. Shall I continue?

[oscartheman]

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/feature ... licks.html

"Stop hiring Paul Haggis to write James Bond movies. Who's idea was this? Who looked at the Bond franchise and said, "We need more of that 'Crash,' vibe, that 'In the Valley of Elah' thing that Haggis does so well."

Girls, martinis, one-liners. Is that so hard? Are you really telling us that Bond's most meaningful opposite-sex relationship is with Judi Dench?

We don't need Bond to expose the corruption of major intelligence services while somebody follows him around with a hand-held camera. We've got Jason Bourne for that."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 13405.html

R.I.P.

"The brooding, humourless James Bond. Let's hope so, anyway. Quantum of Solace raked in the same box-office millions as every Bond film does on opening weekend, but the mood of 007 fans I spoke to on Monday morning was angry disappointment. They all said that unless Daniel Craig gets a twinkle in his eye, a smutty pun on his lips, and one of Q's gadgets in his briefcase, they'll spend the next Bond opening weekend at home with their Octopussy DVDs."

Another good one.Whats this?Christmas?

]Daniel Craig IS James Bond OO7

No benny.He's a rogue Jason Bourne clone.Unbalance as Frankensteins monster.

[stockslivevan]

Maybe the critics thought Casino Royale was a one-off. Or they felt sorry for Craig after the attacks his casting received, so gave Casino Royale a good review. Maybe Casino Royale was overrated; more and more people seem to be criticising Royale now.

Then why do most complain that it's not as good as CR? That seems to be the general consensus for both good and bad reviews. QOS is a darker brooding film than CR, having themes of revenge and such, so I could understand why there's more complaints for it than there were for CR.

[The Sweeney]

Reboot the reboot back to normalcy and start with Craig exiting. CR day 43 in USA= $1.56 million.....yesterday, day 43 TBMQOS= $495,000 estimate, which means less...OUCH!

BJ, what's your thoughts on Craig being as popular as Brozza was after 2 films, judging by BO alone...?

[The Sweeney]

I agree! The critics who loved Casino Royale are now attacking QOS for continuing the new direction. Eon must be confused.

Maybe the critics thought Casino Royale was a one-off. Or they felt sorry for Craig after the attacks his casting received, so gave Casino Royale a good review. Maybe Casino Royale was overrated; more and more people seem to be criticising Royale now.

Not at all. I loved CR, still do, yet was disappointed with QoS. This also seems to be the general consensus with people I've spoken to about the film too.

CR and QoS are not actually that similar. The problems with QoS are to do with lack of strong storyline, a feeling of being rushed, the action reverting back to OTT Brozza again, Bond being too super human again, not enough references to Fleming, the action being too shaky-cam, the editing too quick and messy, the overall film being too Bourne-like.

Whatever the criticisms of CR you lot here may have, I doubt the problems outlined above are your main gripes with it.

[The Sweeney]

The more I watch CR on cable, the worse it gets, and that MGW cameo must never be allowed again. He looks like he is lost in translation in these films. That must be his reward for going along with Barbara's ideas and allowing her to call the shots.

You know what the answer is BJ....don't keep watching CR then.
I think you are more obsessed with Craig than the pro-Craigers are on MI6.....

[stockslivevan]

Just remembered something, surprised no one noticed. In QOS Mathis has a talk with Bond about how when one gets older the heroes and the villains get mixed up. That conversation is straight out of the Casino Royale novel. Surprised no one has brought that up on any Bond forum.

[The Sweeney]

Just remembered something, surprised no one noticed. In QOS Mathis has a talk with Bond about how when one gets older the heroes and the villains get mixed up. That conversation is straight out of the Casino Royale novel. Surprised no one has brought that up on any Bond forum.

Actually yes. That is the only direct reference to Fleming in QoS. I remembered that sticking in my mind when I first saw it, yet true that no one has really mentioned it on any forums.

[oscartheman]

The problems with QoS are to do with lack of strong storyline, a feeling of being rushed, the action reverting back to OTT Brozza again, Bond being too super human again, not enough references to Fleming, the action being too shaky-cam, the editing too quick and messy, the overall film being too Bourne-like.

Whatever the criticisms of CR you lot here may have, I doubt the problems outlined above are your main gripes with it.

I thought the story telling was very poor and the action be superhuman like from frame one.Casino dragged on and on and on.Qos only felt like it would never end.So that part was different.

[LilleOSC]

Casino dragged on and on and on.

I agree. That poker scene got tedious. I miss Bond playing baccarat, but I guess that died with its replacement in CR.

[Kristatos]

Correction, he only did second unit for TND-DAD. And no, I wouldn't want him to fully direct a Bond film, even second unit or whatever. Too bland, not much excitement in the sequences he directed. Hell I can't recall a memorable sequence outside Bond.

Perhaps his showreel will refresh your memory.http://www.vicarmstrong.com/?page_id=91

He also directed, uncredited, the opening scene of Terminator 2

[Milton Krest]

Casino dragged on and on and on.

I agree. That poker scene got tedious. I miss Bond playing baccarat, but I guess that died with its replacement in CR.

I didnt help that Craig looked like a corpse in that scene it was dully filmed as well, i dont think the audience got what was at stake in the game. Craig Bond was gonna stab him when he lost anyhow!!