Did Roger Moore have any problems during his turn?

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Did Roger Moore have any problems during his turn?

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Connery wanted more money and grew tired of the role, Lazenby was talked out of a 7 film contract, Dalton ditched the role when the then unnamed Goldeneye stalled and Brosnan was simply booted out of his contract by EON,

I havent heard anything bad happening during Moore's turn i was just curious to know if he did have any issues similiar to the others.
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*sigh* All of the above's opening statement is such a simplistic generalization that I struggle to prevent myself from going off into a "long-winded, windy-troll post" that certain Moderators *yawn* at (that I only find necessary to get my exact points across without degrading myself like a broken-record, suck-up, one-word parrot that personally frustrates me with their apparent lack of effort and awareness). But at my own peril, that's probably what I'm going to do anyway. So I might as well make it count, because it's important to me at least.

Connery's exit wasn't solely about the money/being tired of the role; he asked for a Full Partnership with Broccoli/Saltzman after seeing how Kevin McClory got HIS one-time Producer credit on Thunderball, and walked when he was refused. The naive Lazenby was duped by that radio-host hipster jerkoff Ronan O'Rahily who claimed to be an authority on what was "Hip & Cool" to know what was best for Lazenby (he didn't). Dalton didn't really "quit", his lapsed contract wasn't renewed because MGM/UA were never sold on HIS drawing-power (even less so after the 5-year hiatus) and always wanted Brosnan; the "resignation" was a mutually agreed cover-story for everyone to save face. And Brosnan's firing wasn't JUST Babs being a fickle spoiled-brat who coveted Danactive Craggy to jump on the Reboot bandwagon; Brosnan's publicly criticizing EON's/BABS' "creative paralysis" for NOT accepting his "brilliant" suggestion to hire Quentin Tarantino to direct a gritty B&W Casino Royale with HIM (right after Babs's and MGW's MOTHER died) gave Babs the "justification" to fire him and hide behind her own "cover-story" of blaming Brosnan's "greed" in "demanding too much money".

And sadly, that's where Roger Moore fits in. After his original "3-Movie-plus-Optional 4th" contract ended after Moonraker, Moore would sell his services on a Film-by-Film basis and delay signing up until the last minute to bump up his total earnings. During this, Cubby would audition several actors as a bluff to force Moore to kowtow to the lesser "going rate"-price, with the likes of Lewis Collins (never saw him, don't know his work, don't care), Michael Billington (stiff), and even Timothy Dalton (still like him, but For Your Eyes Only would've been too soon and wouldn't have worked) considered. But with MGM/UA worried that an untried newcomer's likely poor reception would lower the Box-Office power that the series struggled to win back with Moore after overcoming the ghost of Sean Connery, they'd always end up paying Moore close to whatever his asking price was (around $3-5 Million in 1980s' Dollars). And in the case of Octopussy, they definitely needed a Veteran Bond that the public already accepted to fend off Connery's rival return in NSNA, not James Brolin (Dear God, NO).

And A View To A Kill? My best guess was that it was just smug complacency on EON's part, with Moore given his 7th movie just to spite Connery's "betrayal" with NSNA by not only equaling Connery's now 7-film total, but surpassing it in terms of "Official" Bond Movies (Moore's 7 trumping Connery's 6). And it could also have been a knee-jerk reaction to quash the perception that Connery's return "scared" Moore out of coming back one more time, so they rehired Moore in AVTAK to "stick it" to the naysayers. If nothing else, AVTAK stands as visual proof that it was finally time for Moore to step down, which is more valuable than any "idealized" alternate-history in which Moore quit after MR/FYEO/OP.

Officially, these negotiations were portrayed as a "friendly backgammon match" between Cubby Broccoli and Moore that "amicably" ended with Moore's retirement after AVTAK by "mutual agreement". But as an upsetting postscript, Moore was later mystified to have read that Cubby's posthumous autobiography When The Snow Melts implied Moore "demanded too much money" to return as James Bond AFTER AVTAK, and was refused on Cubby's say-so. Given Moore's own self-consciousness over his advancing age during the 1980's, I find that last theory ridiculous (especially when Moore was 58 by then!). And oddly enough, I'm completely on Moore's side in knowing exactly how much it was worth for him to keep playing Bond and getting everything he could. With Cubby more likely having been a ruthless shark of a Businessman than his "Fatherly" public persona would have us believe, then good for old Roger to one-up him and still be on (sort-of) friendly terms with the Old Man up until Cubby's passing. However, it was probably Babs' perception of her Dear-Old Dad being "taken advantage of" by his Star Employee that influenced her to avoid the same "mistake" when it was her turn to handle Pierce Brosnan. It's too bad she hasn't been able to deal with Danactive Craggy in the same way after his own disrespectful behavior as an overgrown baby bawling for his bottle. (at least, for now).
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There are stories about Moore and cubby fighting over money every next film. I only know of it because babzy supposedly told the crew worried about when the next bond would happen and when bond would be cast because the casting rumors were wild that "oh this is nothing compared to the fights my father and roger Moore had"

Judy drench also came out to say don't worry Brosnan would be back and the filming would start soon.

But about Moore there must be some stories out there confirming the cubby Moore negotiations. He went well beyond his contracted number.

Also someone told us Cubby would send the next bond script to Connery every new movie until Connery made NSNA .


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Beaten to the punch :cheers:

One thing I would add is once upon a time we had the salary figures for the bonds . Moore was dirt cheap compared to Connery (he still holds the best paid bond), Brosnan and dalton.

The numbers I saw had a dramatic shift up for dalton off from Moore last few. The Brosnan made a lot more than dalton , finally Craig making more than both of them but well under Connery's big pay days.

Connery got percentage deals, some times off tie ins, marketing, his best were percentage of domestic box office, or maybe it was percentage of profit. But he could afford to give away his salary for daf because the other money's he got were many times that.

He was even offered 1 million to make 1967 Cr but refused because cubby and saltzman wouldn't join in.
I think he was offered $1 million for ohmss but Was burnt out on bond and not being made a partner probably didn't help either.
He was supposed to Make lald but never got the two nonbond movies he wanted so he wasn't interested.

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So I'm a troll for asking a simple question. Whatever you say guys.
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Jamesdude wrote:So I'm a troll for asking a simple question. Whatever you say guys.
No you are not!

I know Roger did his knee in filming the speedboat scenes in Live and Let Die which was a problem for him. :wink:
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Jamesdude wrote:So I'm a troll for asking a simple question. Whatever you say guys.
that's not what he was saying. He's had a few fights with the moderators and was mocking them.



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I think Barry is talking about me. I got a bit annoyed at one of his posts (about Brosnan I think) once because of some other things that were happening on the forum. Sorry!
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