POLL: Did Pierce Brosnan suck as 007?

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Did Pierce Brosnan suck as 007?

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The ungrateful, disrespectful, aging troublemaker Pierce Brosnan, SAVIOUR of James Bond 007.

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I think I have an in depth knowledge of every forum member's view on the Pierce Brosnan era now. :D :evil: I was alive when Brosnan was Bond as he was really popular and people liked his movies so do not understand the 1984-style rewriting of history that occurs now. He was one of those actors who was an obvious fit for Bond - or the old style Bond until Barbara Broccoli reinvented him as a craggy, dour midget.
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Can't seem to vote in polls via Tapatalk, but no.
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Love the revisionism since 2004, not only was Piece cheeky for trying to get Casino Royale made, he was a chancer talking to directors. Not to forget at one point he was an expensive prima donna whose cost threatened the continued existence of 007 adventures.

Recently I was researching the timeline leading to Priece's dismissal. While at the time Die Another Day had it's detractors it was not the poisonousness movie that the corporate meme made it out to be when the new hire was meeting with some opposition. Plenty of people seemed to be looking forward to Pierce's return in "Bond 21" with hopes it would be one of the best made because Die Another Day broke some of the old moulds and formulas.

Forgetting the later controversy and drama, judging his time from his announcement in 1994 to 2003 when Die left the theatrical runs, yes he was not only a good Bond, he excited the fan base and attracted a new audience bringing the Bond series success it had not known in decades.
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Yes. He had twice as many films as Dalton, and 3 films more than Lazenby, yet he never got a grasp on the role like the two I mentioned.

I was born in 1985, and became a Bond fan in 1996, and I can say that while Brosnan was popular, he was by no means loved by everyone, despite what some hardcore Brosnan fans might tell themselves. He might have been popular, which worked at the time. But looking back now, in 2015, when his popularity doesn't matter so much, his time comes of as so bland and safe.
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Post by Omega »

No he did not suck as bond.

I see why he gets crap, but so did dalton.

Whatever problems were with Brosnans bond it wasn't the actor none of them aside from maybe dalton had much of a say, even dalton a input was limited. If the movies felt safe it was because the producers were too scared to do anything else.

Now the producers make Craig s partner and he claims credit for whatever he thinks is bold and brave, while they make less exciting movies than they made in 1989


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I voted "I don't know".

As I've written before on the forum I think Brosnan had potential to be a great Bond, but somehow he never reached that full potential.

Or maybe the Bond role was too big for him after all, he was an okay Bond but not a great one, he never became Bond the same way Connery and Moore did?

I don't remember, were there any other candidates for the role in the early 90s or was Brosnan the only one when Dalton was dropped?
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Yes, he did *suck*. Or more precisely, I just didn't like him. So much that I never would've watched TLD (and LTK) IF Brosnan has gotten to star as Bond because he just rubs me the wrong way as an actor with his smug blandness.

If it were not for the whole 1990's PR hype of how everyone should "give him a chance" because "he's more mature now" and "ready to BE the Best Bond ever" to atone for their "Timothy Dalton mistake"+ (Bull$#!+!), I probably should've skipped GE/TND/TWINE/DAD if not for the necessary adage: Farce, like History, needs a witness. And just to know for myself whether I'd actually like those movies or not, let alone PB as Bond. Well I did see them, I didn't like them, so now I know.

And to be more comically blunt, PB is exactly what Bill Murray once famously dismissed Chevy Chase as: Medium Talent.
I couldn't agree more.

+ - It's also easier for me to ignore PB's run when they started GE with the "flashback" of Bond and Trevelyan's mission happening in 1986 with the rest of the Film in the "Present Day" of 1995, as if they're saying that Timothy Dalton was NEVER James Bond while Brosnan was always The One by retroactively erasing the timeline of both of Dalton's movies as if they were an aberration. So clearly, this wasn't far off from the later reboot/erasure that favored the Dawn Of Craggy.
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Brosnan star as Bond with his smug blandness.

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I always thought the flashback mission was to cement the idea Bond was Bond not any one actor was Bond, erasing the others.
They say GoldenEye was written with Timothy in mind, others say they knew Dalton was not coming back before hand. Let say it was and Timothy had stared in GE it would simply be another mission. This is how I always viewed it, another random 007 mission.

I always thought the series tired to maintain the character was the same and each actor/Bond could be imagined as having lived though the previous actor adventures. Kind of the OHMSS montage rule.
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Blowfeld wrote:I always thought the flashback mission was to cement the idea Bond was Bond not any one actor was Bond, erasing the others.
They say GoldenEye was written with Timothy in mind, others say they knew Dalton was not coming back before hand. Let say it was and Timothy had stared in GE it would simply be another mission. This is how I always viewed it, another random 007 mission.

I always thought the series tired to maintain the character was the same and each actor/Bond could be imagined as having lived though the previous actor adventures. Kind of the OHMSS montage rule.
Yes, the claim that they are trying to write Dalton out of history seems to be based on the assumption that "Dalton's Bond" and "Brosnan's Bond" are two different characters. Unless you believe in the Bond codename theory (and I think you all know my views on that), there is only one person's adventures being chronicled; James Bond, agent 007.
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Count_Lippe wrote:Brosnan star as Bond with his smug blandness.

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That image certainly cements the smug tagline.

As for the Goldeneye 9 year jump, I don't think it has anything to do with the codename theory. I loathe the codename theory, but I feel, like Barry Niven, that setting the PTS in 1986, sets out to suggest that Dalton didn't happen. One year before TLD? Come on, that's not a coincidence. The 1990's were to Dalton what the last few decades were to Lazenby, where people wrote Dalton off just because they heard other people doing it. And with the 9 year jump, EON did nothing but reinforce the perception of Dalton's failure. But what goes around, comes around. Dalton's popularity has risen since his run, Brosnan's.... hasn't.
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No. But he could have been 'way better: Goldeneye was a great debut, with the major flaw of the score. If the following films had built on that, he would've acquired more confidence. But it does seem as if the Pierce is holding himself back in someway, (lack of confidence) and not really letting himself go. Or to put it another way, he was overly influenced by the previous Bonds. An alternative approach : he could have said, OK, there have been other actors doing this. But I'm going to insert what is uniquely me into this role. We can see some of his non-Bond films he exhibits more verve which should've been part of his 007. Just to shoot this one in there: one thing he could have attempted would be to watch Rick Blaine (Humphrey Bogart / Casablanca)... that's a great matrix for Bond: here, Blaine is cynical, yet noble, with a ton of magnetism and wryness. Bogart actually delivers his lines with great energy and focus, a lack which is obvious in other actors. This is just an example, (not saying that PB should've copied Bogart), where PB could have gotten some inspiration from some of the greats. :cake:
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Count_Lippe wrote:I voted "I don't know".

As I've written before on the forum I think Brosnan had potential to be a great Bond, but somehow he never reached that full potential.

Or maybe the Bond role was too big for him after all, he was an okay Bond but not a great one, he never became Bond the same way Connery and Moore did?

I don't remember, were there any other candidates for the role in the early 90s or was Brosnan the only one when Dalton was dropped?

I don't think there was any obvious alternative to Brosnan when Dalton jumped ship. There are some vague stories about Barbara wanting to cast Sean Bean and EON offering the part to Liam Neeson. The actors they tested for GoldenEye were people like Greg Wise, Jeremy Northam and Nathaniel Parker. All relatively unknown British actors.
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Count_Lippe wrote:I voted "I don't know".

As I've written before on the forum I think Brosnan had potential to be a great Bond, but somehow he never reached that full potential.

Or maybe the Bond role was too big for him after all, he was an okay Bond but not a great one, he never became Bond the same way Connery and Moore did?

I don't remember, were there any other candidates for the role in the early 90s or was Brosnan the only one when Dalton was dropped?

I don't think there was any obvious alternative to Brosnan when Dalton jumped ship. There are some vague stories about Barbara wanting to cast Sean Bean and EON offering the part to Liam Neeson. The actors they tested for GoldenEye were people like Greg Wise, Jeremy Northam and Nathaniel Parker. All relatively unknown British actors.
I can remember Greg Wise being short odds with the bookmakers back in the day.

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No, Brosnan didn't suck but the scripts were never very good.
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I thought the first five Bonds were all wonderful.
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No he did not suck. On the contrary i thought he was a great Bond, treading a good line between Roger's suave and Timothy's serious action man. He was hanicapped by some varying quality of films though, Golden Eye was good, but Tomorrow Never Dies was quite forgettably hit and miss. The World is not Enough was much better, but then came the poor Die Another Day cgi surfing/invisible car/ Madonna nonsense.
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