Brosnan: My Bond not good enough

[ml94]

QT could always have Pierce to star in his incoming films. Like ml94 said, Pierce deserves better scripts/projects.

QT is FANTASTIC director.

[FormerBondFan]

Why hasn't QT cast Pierce in his films already, considering he lost interest in CR after Pierce got booted from Bond?

[The Sweeney]

The thing that still confuses me is why would Pierce say he was "never good enough"? especially after all these years.

I thought we'd been through this. Lots of actors find their old performances cringeworthy.

He may be critical of himself but why say it to the media?

Maybe he thinks it will put him in higher regard with critics and the press? Who knows.

After all the praise and awards heaped on SF, and the critics saying Craig is the next best thing since Connery, etc. maybe Brosnan now feels slightly embarrassed by some of the Bond films he was in, particularly DAD. I got that impression when I saw an interview with him and he started laughing in embarrassment about the now infamous surfing scene.

Yeah,that was in that documentary. Also you could see how he was thrilled when talking about how he finally got the role in 1994. Also how he seemed sad when that house renewed Remington Steele on literally the last day. That's what made me sad. I mean Skyfall?? Don't get me started. The whole movie is just one incredibly empty walk. Seriously the bad guy wants to get revenge but we never know what or when M done... and those "Home Alone" elements at the end. And then they call Roger Moore era silly. Craig being best next to Connery? Yeah and Mussolini is up there with Gandhi(I know this may be a bit harsh comparisment but...come on). Plus Skyfall pulled the little plot it has from TWINE..and all those batman elements and that mission impossible thing... oh yeah and Silva is an ex secret agent(I wonder in which movie I saw that ) seriously all those praises on Skyfall-were critics drunk stoned or paid? Maybe all three.. and yes I think this may be due to DAD which is just...a wrong movie for an actor who never gave less than his all(it's a wrong movie period.)

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

[Veronica]

The sad thing is-Connery was there as a favour and I don't think he cared what the movie is about honestly. With Moore-even he admitted how he was too old for the role and knew that his time was up. Pierce? He never gave less than his all and Queen Babs actually told him how happy she is with the success of DAD(say what you want about the movie but it made hell of a lot of money) and that they want him back. Purvis and Wade actually started to write the script of CR with Pierce in mind. And then all of a sudden Babs get some butterflies because of craig and dumps Pierce. Not only did she dump him but she didn't call him herself. He found out from his agent. I mean what to say on that bottom line Pierce deserved and absolute gem for a send-off, not DAD.And I think CR could have been great-in a hands of better director.

[WXN Jamaica]

Pierce Brosnan: The violence was never real, the brute force of the man was never palpable. It was quite tame, and the characterisation didn't have a follow-through of reality, it was surface."

That's definitely true. Pierce is far more convincing in "The November Man" and, previously, in the very underrated "Shattered".
I think he could have been an excellent 007 if he could have had the same characterisation of Bond than he did for his role in "Seraphim Falls".

[carl stromberg]

Welcome WXN.

[Veronica]

Pierce was great in "November Man". Someone here commented how Dalton seems like a Sunday school teacher compared to him. and I really don't agree it was all surface. There were more introspective moments as well and some d**n coldblooded moments-the begining of TWINE,killing of Dr. Kaufmann,killing of Alec,Elliot and first and foremost Elektra. I think he was remerkable and it's a shame if he thinks that he was never good enough...

[FormerBondFan]

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

For Pierce's case, his era went downhill after GE, and that was rather unfair.

[Veronica]

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

For Pierce's case, his era went downhill after GE, and that was rather unfair.

Suppose that depends the way you look at it. Both TND and TWINE have pros and cons. and they are not bad movies imo. They are not classics like GE althought for my money TWINE had a great chance...TND went through like 100 rewrites...ultimately the biggest problem is that it's no GE and due to the constant changing of script after that bike chase for me everything kinda becomes a blur of action...TWINE is more interesting case IMO. More attention went to the characters and story was more character driven-I like that. But it's like they didn't go all the way with it. They wanted something more thoughful and yet they didn't wanna break the formula too much. That's why we are stuck with Xmas Jones...
in the end it's not Richards's fault entirely. Jones was like an after-though,not a proper character because thoughts went to character of Elektra King and basically everyone else. Plus the fact that there is no room for any other Bond girl except for Elektra in this movie...for example-the scene where she asks Bond "what kind of relationshpl you have with Elektra King?" Ok,what was that suppose to show us?
How she is super smart and got the point that there's something going on between Bond and Elektra? Ok,but that moment should have been played a little bit differently. Bond seems to answer a little bit jokily "we are strictly platonic-right now"- it should have been more "serious"-for example having Bond not answering it at all because he is supposed be affected by it all. Plus she really got cluncky lines and those lines weren't of any importance in the film...
it seems she's there so Bond wouldn't have to be alone at the end of the movie even though that kind of ending would be the only right one... she is useful for about two seconds when Zukowski makes that joke...and we could've gone without it... xmas maybe would be passable as a Bond girl in a movie that doesn't wanna do some kind of complexity but to put her in a movie that has Elektra King...that's just a bonehead move all the way.
Basically the movie goes between incredibly brilliant and incredibly stupid. and some of the action scenes just seem to be there for the action sake and are neither that thrilling or exciting except for the boat chase. Apparently in the first draft there was an angle of mystery because Bond doesn't discover that Elektra is behind it all much later and that way basically is a part of conspiracy...
That would be interesting to see...that would mean Bond would spend more time with Elektra and the movie was at its best when they were together. Apted should have stuck with his first cut of the movie which was 30 minutes longer and contained dialogue only...and of course xmas should have never been there in the first place.

[Blowfeld]

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

For Pierce's case, his era went downhill after GE, and that was rather unfair.

You might argue about DAD, otherwise he had a decent run.

[Blowfeld]

Pierce Brosnan: The violence was never real, the brute force of the man was never palpable. It was quite tame, and the characterisation didn't have a follow-through of reality, it was surface."

That's definitely true. Pierce is far more convincing in "The November Man" and, previously, in the very underrated "Shattered".
I think he could have been an excellent 007 if he could have had the same characterisation of Bond than he did for his role in "Seraphim Falls".

Pierce showed he had the ability to play Bond more, dark, I suppose is the correct term. He had a list of complaints about not being able to make 007 his own, Bond 21 then tentatively Casino Royale was I think his chance to make his mark on Bond. At least I believe he saw it this way. The over the top praise for dumbed down 007 hurt his pride as an actor in my opinion, it was after all the movie he got rolling. He never got to go out on his own terms as Sean, George and Roger did.
As an actor mostly did as they requested of him each outing and in my opinion was wonderful doing the promotion work during and after the filming.

I only recently watched the November Man, it is a mixed bag for me. He surly had the skill to bring a darker 007 to the big screen, as he said a the time there were scared to change anything so never got eh chance.

[Veronica]

NM was a mixed bag for me too...nothing really grabbed me or thrilled me about that movie so to speak. pierce was great though. As for his bond movies-he was a killer and charmer...he infact imo has some of the coldest moments in the series. if it wasn't for him Babs wouldn't have a penny to do this "serious" stuff with Craig...she bullshited in one interview how it was so hard for to let Pierce go....yeah so hard that she didn't even call the man herself...of course,Pierce maybe because of this thinks he has never done enough...after LTK some critics said that Bond isn't fitted anymore,that he belongs to the cold war and that now other heroes of the screen took over... they were wrong... in 1995 people wanted Bond just as they wanted him 30 years prior when Bondomania equaled Beatlemania... so the whole "Bond formula wouldn't work today" is a crappy excuse for these last three movies...and it's just not right to fire a guy who basically brought Bond back to the top after telling him he will do at least another one more...not to mention how Wilson was saying in 1999 after TWINE how Pierce will definitely do at least one more...and Judi Dench also said that somewhere after 2002...it's makes me sick to screw over someone like that...

[FormerBondFan]

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

For Pierce's case, his era went downhill after GE, and that was rather unfair.

Suppose that depends the way you look at it.

Pierce's Bond career had A LOT of potential to prosper after GE in critical terms, and it was rather unfair that it didn't.

[FormerBondFan]

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

For Pierce's case, his era went downhill after GE, and that was rather unfair.

You might argue about DAD, otherwise he had a decent run.

Financially yes though TND under-performed worldwide due to Titanic.

[Veronica]

Yes, its a shame the Brosnan era didn't end on a high. To end it on DAD was bad. Funny enough, the 3 longest serving Bond actors (until Craig), all ended their reigns on films that were not very highly thought of - Connery with DAF, Moore with AVTAK, and Brosnan with DAD.

For Pierce's case, his era went downhill after GE, and that was rather unfair.

Suppose that depends the way you look at it.

Pierce's Bond career had A LOT of potential to prosper after GE in critical terms, and it was rather unfair that it didn't.

Well,that's true. I think the producers just couldn't put their stuff together. After GE they wanted another success like that so TND production soon began and due to the problems it didn't upstage GE but was a financial success and was generally well recieved. But after that wanted something more character-driven and then TWINE comes into the story. And I don't know who screwed up here really. I guess anyone who though they NEED another Bond girl.that's why I see a huge difference between let's say Tanya Robert and Richards. AVTAK was a general,more light-hearted movie while this one actually had dark themes like rape,kidnaping,consequences of that...and Apted was saying how the relationship between Bond and Elektra was the centre of everything...another Bond girl just doesn't have any buissness here and plus if she is poorly acted and has cluncky lines...you get Xmas...
And then with DAD I don't know what they were trying to do I guess honor every other movie...
And then Babs came with the crap about "formula not being suited" bla bla bla and fire him and hired Craig..After actually saying he will come back-and everyone new that. I don't think it can be overemphasized how much dick-ish move that is.