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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby Omega » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:59 pm

dirtybenny wrote:
Indeed good rant acid, I hope you don't mind if I steal a few words and phrases when I rewrite?


DB I was think more about your rant, it’s like the bond haters do not know the definitions of the words they use, they rattle off some old 70s feminist mantra then feel virtue successfully signaled without knowing what bond is actually like, without think about how the women Fleming wrote about broke the 50s social status or how most of the women in the movies were not held back by the prudes of the decade they lived in.



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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby acid » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:36 pm

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dirtybenny wrote:
Indeed good rant acid, I hope you don't mind if I steal a few words and phrases when I rewrite?


DB I was think more about your rant, it’s like the bond haters do not know the definitions of the words they use, they rattle off some old 70s feminist mantra then feel virtue successfully signaled without knowing what bond is actually like, without think about how the women Fleming wrote about broke the 50s social status or how most of the women in the movies were not held back by the prudes of the decade they lived in.


Yeah, that's intellectual laziness. They're blindly parroting what their authority figures tell them without examining the information critically. It's a natural human trait to echo others in the tribe. We even do it here, but at least we spend a lot of time analyzing what is said.
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby dirtybenny » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:43 pm

Rant:44 2.0 Thanks for the ideas guys, here's the second draft.

Rant: 44 #EtTu, Bond?

Recently the question has been asked how will Bond navigate the new #metoo era, the answer is the same way he navigated every other social change, by being a constant in an ever changing world of upheaval. When the hippies hit the scene in the late sixties did Connery’s Bond don a tie dyed dashiki, load his trusty gunmetal cigarette case with reefer and sing Kumbaya around a drum circle? Of course not, so why should Bond fundamentally change because the truth we all knew since the beginning of the film industry came to light, which is it’s full of creeps who force themselves on young, naive aspiring actors?

In response to this movement a small yet very vocal minority has been building to a shrill crescendo recently, in which they demand, “It’s time for a female James Bond!” No, it seems it’s time to distract from the sexual abuse scandals in Hollywood and earn social justice points by pushing this ridiculous narrative. In much the same way the original movement was quickly sidetracked to “all abuse survivors” rather than its original specific target, the entertainment industry.

Short of going full “Jane Bond” many are saying Bond must give up his “womanizing ways” in order to meet the decree. Compared to the earlier eras, if Bond had any less female contact at this point he’d be a Benedictine Monk! I don’t see how a debonair secret agent having consensual encounters with beautiful women is in any way comparable to a slovenly film producer pleasuring himself into a potted plant while a horrified young starlet is forced to watch!

This opinion is has been formulated and bandied about because Bond is a “misogynist” or so the Professor teaching “Womyn’s Studies 101” at the local University says and they can’t be wrong! The problem is these people think of Bond in terms of a dirty stereotype their betters have concocted and shoved down their throats in an effort to play iconoclast, destroying and reshaping pop culture.

Of course the current spate of “Bond” films haven’t done much to derail this current hateful train of thought, between Craig’s creepy almost rape like “seduction” of Monica Bellucci’s widow in Spectre, his molesting and subsequently standing by as a former child prostitute is murdered in Skyfall when if he had acted 30 seconds sooner could have saved her, and of course that classic pick up line in Quantum of Solace “I can’t find the stationary.”

The truth however, is the Bond series has done much to elevate women and show them in a light far outside the social constrict of their day, for example:
Honey Ryder is an independent woman making her way on her own in the male dominated world of shell diving.
Tatiana Romanova is a soviet agent with orders to seduce.
Pussy Galore (silly name aside) was not only an accomplished pilot but as we see a worthy flight instructor (see her flying circus’ performance at Fort Knox).
Fiona Volpe is a top Spectre agent, assassin and leader in their organization.
Those are but a few women from the series and consider they are from the earliest films when Bond was at his most “vile” according to his critics.

You see the actual meaning of misogynist has been lost on this generation along with the ability to think critically. As I have pointed out in previous rants a misogynist is one who hates women. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Bond (at least classic Bond) has any hatred toward women in any way, shape or form. Quite the opposite in fact, just this morning I was watching Goldfinger and the perfect example presented itself. After Bond ejects the Chinese solder from the Aston Martin he has a clear run to freedom. That is until the little old lady guarding the gate steps in front of him toting a machine gun, but rather than run her down as he did to numerous male solders just a moment before, he swerves off leading a chase through Goldfinger’s compound to ultimately be caught, all because he couldn’t bear to run over a woman.

It’s quite obvious these detractors don’t give a toss about Bond and are only trying to out “woke” each other, while blowing a smoke screen to divert attention from their friend’s crimes. I know this because their own words betray them. They call Bond sexist, misogynist, racist, xenophobic, etc. I can’t believe someone who feels Bond is so evil and deplorable watched any of the films more than once, let alone the entire series. So I must ask, how are these people qualified to be experts on Bond and what he “needs” to be?

The irony is if EON caved to every whim the warriors of social justice demanded, these folks still wouldn’t watch the films! Generally speaking people who hold these opinions don’t care for action adventure pictures.
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby bjmdds » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:22 pm

DB, how about this website turning you loose on Broccoli at EON and you directly send her a DB rant to straighten her out? :!:
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby acid » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:34 pm

dirtybenny wrote:Rant:44 2.0 Thanks for the ideas guys, here's the second draft.


Looks good to me DB!
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby acid » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:42 pm

dirtybenny wrote:if Bond had any less female contact at this point he’d be a Benedictine Monk!


Just don't Benny! :o I did have a dream about Bond as a Chinese monk so I hope this doesn't mean it was a premonition!

In truth I think my subconscious must have been mashing up bits of YOLT ("You must become..." ...Chinese!) with AVTAK (rich evil industrialist slips off high place) and possibly some other fantasy and eco themed things. Honestly I think I'd rather watch one of these movies about a Chinese or Benedictine Monk than any of the last 4 Bond flicks!
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby Veronica » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:15 pm

For all the huff and puff about Craig era being very progressive when it comes to female roles I'd actually say it did the worst job out of any era to have any sort of memorable female characters. They handled the character of Vesper poorly in my opinion, of course it didn't help that Craig and Green had as much as chemistry as Winnie the Pooh and Darth Vader.
Too bad Caterina Murino lasted for a minute and a half she was dazzling. As far as it concerns me the most interesting thing about QOS girl is her name, Strawberry Fields. Skyfall, again, has no real Bond girl to speak of, as far as it's my concern. The actress who played Severine was beautifull was she was barely a character.
And then Spectre of course wastes a famously beautiful woman for two scenes and a talented French actress for the most bland, lazy attempt at Tracy. And again,Craig has ZERO chemistry with both of these women. So Barbara can talk rubbish about feminism and all but the fact is in the last 12 years she failed to have ONE interesting Bond girl.
Oh well, she lost Bond somewhere between 2002 and 2006 as well so I guess we should't say anything about any other role :jack:
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby Goldeneye » Mon May 21, 2018 12:53 am

bjmdds wrote:DB, how about this website turning you loose on Broccoli at EON and you directly send her a DB rant to straighten her out? :!:
Doubt she can be straightened out, they do pay attention to us just because we annoy them be existing. So somebody in that organization has been forced to read DB's rants :D BTW we actually get decent traffic to both the main site and forums, plus we are indexed by all the search engines so what we say here does get noticed on some level.
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby Goldeneye » Mon May 21, 2018 12:58 am

DB I was thinking about the Bond girls as Fleming wrote them, while he was not a feminist he didn't lock them in the stereotypes Barbara has stuck Bond girls with. In some ways his female leads were more modern than the Cubby/Babs vision
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Re: Dirty Benny's Weekly Rant

Postby dirtybenny » Wed May 23, 2018 9:52 pm

Goldeneye wrote:
bjmdds wrote:DB, how about this website turning you loose on Broccoli at EON and you directly send her a DB rant to straighten her out? :!:
Doubt she can be straightened out, they do pay attention to us just because we annoy them be existing. So somebody in that organization has been forced to read DB's rants :D BTW we actually get decent traffic to both the main site and forums, plus we are indexed by all the search engines so what we say here does get noticed on some level.


Well I found this site when EON showed a screen shot of it in their documentary Everything Or Nothing during the lead up to Skyfall, so they are certainly aware of it! It has no impact, but it's nice to be a thorn in the side of such poor film making!

Goldeneye wrote:DB I was thinking about the Bond girls as Fleming wrote them, while he was not a feminist he didn't lock them in the stereotypes Barbara has stuck Bond girls with. In some ways his female leads were more modern than the Cubby/Babs vision


I had the same idea, but decided to considerate on the films as that is what is most known and didn't want to beat the point too much with too many examples.
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