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John P. Drake wrote:I don't think he will do one more after he does the 25th. Remember they all said Brosnan was going to return for his fifth, yet he didn't due to various companies' decisions. No one knows what upholds the future. With Sony's reputation at stake, EON and MGM will certainly go for another company to attach themselves to. I sure pray there will be no more Amy Pascal, so Babs' influence will be toned down.
Good points.
A lot can be read into this so-called statement from the unidentified Sony gnome. The reality factor is, nobody (i.e, the media, the Craig fan boys, etc.) truly knows the details of Craig's contract. If anything, this article reads like a puff piece to counter the casting rumors about Damian Lewis that surfaced last week, albeit a bit late in coming (another bizarre thing about it). Besides, why in hell is Sony so verbal about Craig's continuation? They may not even be distributing the Bond films after Spectre. And I always felt that this business of Craig doing two more movies after Skyfall was part of the hype during the 50th anniversary circus celebration. It's the business of smoke and mirrors. As William Goldman famously said, in Hollywood "nobody knows anything." In other words, uncertainly always rules.
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DAN STEVENS as #7 007...is he on the radar, what you guys think???
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ml94 wrote:DAN STEVENS as #7 007...is he on the radar, what you guys think???
No idea, I've never watched Downton Abbey. Looks OK from the photos I've seen, but I would need to see him actually act in order to have an informed opinion.
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Veronica wrote:
John P. Drake wrote:I most certainly can't. But at least he tried. ;)
Well she left so that left me with impression that she wasn't eager to sleep with him. Maybe that's saying something about Craig's kissing abilities?
Perhaps. But, then again, he put business before pleasure, which never pleases a Bond Girl. Bond would have put his progress on hiatus just to treat his female companion pleasurably, but Craig Bond doesn't quite manage to do that. He is often rampant.
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John P. Drake wrote:I don't think he will do one more after he does the 25th. Remember they all said Brosnan was going to return for his fifth, yet he didn't due to various companies' decisions. No one knows what upholds the future. With Sony's reputation at stake, EON and MGM will certainly go for another company to attach themselves to. I sure pray there will be no more Amy Pascal, so Babs' influence will be toned down.
Good points.
A lot can be read into this so-called statement from the unidentified Sony gnome. The reality factor is, nobody (i.e, the media, the Craig fan boys, etc.) truly knows the details of Craig's contract. If anything, this article reads like a puff piece to counter the casting rumors about Damian Lewis that surfaced last week, albeit a bit late in coming (another bizarre thing about it). Besides, why in hell is Sony so verbal about Craig's continuation? They may not even be distributing the Bond films after Spectre. And I always felt that this business of Craig doing two more movies after Skyfall was part of the hype during the 50th anniversary circus celebration. It's the business of smoke and mirrors. As William Goldman famously said, in Hollywood "nobody knows anything." In other words, uncertainly always rules.
I agree with that. Besides, it has never been an official word as of yet, not emerging on the website itself nor any other fan sites that would have done a full coverage on the matter. So, more or less, it's just a rumor from an unfed source.
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Kristatos wrote:
ml94 wrote:DAN STEVENS as #7 007...is he on the radar, what you guys think???
No idea, I've never watched Downton Abbey. Looks OK from the photos I've seen, but I would need to see him actually act in order to have an informed opinion.
Watch "THE GUEST"...
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ml94 wrote:DAN STEVENS as #7 007...is he on the radar, what you guys think???
No idea, I've never watched Downton Abbey. Looks OK from the photos I've seen, but I would need to see him actually act in order to have an informed opinion.
I would love to see the list...
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ml94 wrote:DAN STEVENS as #7 007...is he on the radar, what you guys think???
Forget it. James Bond is dead. Let the Zerg swarm from the StarCraft franchise take over as the next Bond.

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ml94 wrote:DAN STEVENS as #7 007...is he on the radar, what you guys think???
Forget it. James Bond is dead. Let the Zerg swarm from the StarCraft franchise take over as the next Bond.

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Veronica wrote: The difference is-Babs is absolutely crazy for Craig and she compares him to "husband" and something about "not thinking of the next husband while you are walking down the aisle".
So that means we have to go through the wedding ceremony and the party...
But what angers me most is the incredible amount of neprofessionalism that woman has.
I mean not only she hired Craig in spite of what everybody thought just because she got some crazy crush on him,she also fired the man AFTER TELLING HIM THAT IT'S SURE HE WILL GET ONE MORE MOVIE.And then,on top of it,she even didn't have a decency to call him herself. Now that's just low.
She said almost word for word the same about Pierce 2002 to 2003. I suppose she considers it appropriate for a female executive to act like a love struck bride.
John P. Drake wrote: Well, according to the resources in France, a few months ago someone told me it was actually Sony who fired Pierce and EON were subject to listen to the 'superior company' who owned half the rights of the franchise.

I am not sure that is correct.

From the bits we put together it was something like this;
2004 Pierce is first informed he will not be coming back. This also coincides with Dana Broccoli passing and Barbara inheriting the franchise.

2004 MGM wanting to get the next movie rolling sends Barbara "Layer Cake" to recommend the director Matthew Vaughn (Team EON spent the time trying to spin Jinx off) . Barbara sees Daniel and it's over. This is one part of it, Matthew Vaughn said he was contracted by MGM to direct Bond 21 then was fired nearly the next day by EON. He also said he recommended Daniel.

2004 November Martin Campbell singed on to direct Bond 21.

2005 April Sony and other investors take over

2005 Spring time Judy Dench attempts to allay fans fears about casting says very plainly Pierce will be back. Supposedly about this same time Barbara tells crew members in essence 'this is nothing you should have seen the contact arguments my father had with Roger.'

2005 October sea sick Daniel comes ashore as the new 007. A few weeks before this Pierce said he was asked by Sony to come back. EON supposedly had the final say because of an old contract where partners could have input on everything from directors to cast, except for the final say on Bond.

During all of this Daniel says went to the gym for a year when he was first approached. This differs from other stories because they were supposedly talking to Pierce about coming back at the same time, I think there was something about not dealing with one party behind anthers back, still I could be wrong.



Another part is Quentin Tarantino, he tried to buy the rights to Casino Royal before they were turned over to MGM as settlement, see the MGM/EON Sony/Kevin McClory lawsuit. Apparently after DAD Tarantino and Pierce were talking which led to Pierce introducing him to Barbara and Michael. Tarantino says he pitched his idea for Casino, which according to him they considered "unfilmable". He thinks his ideas were used to find a way to make Casino. MGW claims this ins nonsense they had been working on Casino script long before Tarantino. However I have my doubt because Martian Campbell said the next film was not originally going to be Casino, it was an original script about a young more screwed up 007. Also MGW lied on the under oath when he was asked if there was any alive who knew of the McClory contract, he said there was not althou his mother (Dana) was alive and probably knew the details, she was also the head of EON at the time.

So Maybe late 2003, for sure early 2004 Tarantino was taking to and about the movie.

At some time in between the very first draft of what would become Casino Royale was finished and it was written with Pierce in mind. Later this edition was leaked on-line, it has since vanished.

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.I forget what my point was. I guess it was a long winding road to the now mythologised Craig era.
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Blowfeld wrote:
Veronica wrote: The difference is-Babs is absolutely crazy for Craig and she compares him to "husband" and something about "not thinking of the next husband while you are walking down the aisle".
So that means we have to go through the wedding ceremony and the party...
But what angers me most is the incredible amount of neprofessionalism that woman has.
I mean not only she hired Craig in spite of what everybody thought just because she got some crazy crush on him,she also fired the man AFTER TELLING HIM THAT IT'S SURE HE WILL GET ONE MORE MOVIE.And then,on top of it,she even didn't have a decency to call him herself. Now that's just low.
She said almost word for word the same about Pierce 2002 to 2003. I suppose she considers it appropriate for a female executive to act like a love struck bride.
John P. Drake wrote: Well, according to the resources in France, a few months ago someone told me it was actually Sony who fired Pierce and EON were subject to listen to the 'superior company' who owned half the rights of the franchise.

I am not sure that is correct.

From the bits we put together it was something like this;
2004 Pierce is first informed he will not be coming back. This also coincides with Dana Broccoli passing and Barbara inheriting the franchise.

2004 MGM wanting to get the next movie rolling sends Barbara "Layer Cake" to recommend the director Matthew Vaughn (Team EON spent the time trying to spin Jinx off) . Barbara sees Daniel and it's over. This is one part of it, Matthew Vaughn said he was contracted by MGM to direct Bond 21 then was fired nearly the next day by EON. He also said he recommended Daniel.

2004 November Martin Campbell singed on to direct Bond 21.

2005 April Sony and other investors take over

2005 Spring time Judy Dench attempts to allay fans fears about casting says very plainly Pierce will be back. Supposedly about this same time Barbara tells crew members in essence 'this is nothing you should have seen the contact arguments my father had with Roger.'

2005 October sea sick Daniel comes ashore as the new 007. A few weeks before this Pierce said he was asked by Sony to come back. EON supposedly had the final say because of an old contract where partners could have input on everything from directors to cast, except for the final say on Bond.

During all of this Daniel says went to the gym for a year when he was first approached. This differs from other stories because they were supposedly talking to Pierce about coming back at the same time, I think there was something about not dealing with one party behind anthers back, still I could be wrong.



Another part is Quentin Tarantino, he tried to buy the rights to Casino Royal before they were turned over to MGM as settlement, see the MGM/EON Sony/Kevin McClory lawsuit. Apparently after DAD Tarantino and Pierce were talking which led to Pierce introducing him to Barbara and Michael. Tarantino says he pitched his idea for Casino, which according to him they considered "unfilmable". He thinks his ideas were used to find a way to make Casino. MGW claims this ins nonsense they had been working on Casino script long before Tarantino. However I have my doubt because Martian Campbell said the next film was not originally going to be Casino, it was an original script about a young more screwed up 007. Also MGW lied on the under oath when he was asked if there was any alive who knew of the McClory contract, he said there was not althou his mother (Dana) was alive and probably knew the details, she was also the head of EON at the time.

So Maybe late 2003, for sure early 2004 Tarantino was taking to and about the movie.

At some time in between the very first draft of what would become Casino Royale was finished and it was written with Pierce in mind. Later this edition was leaked on-line, it has since vanished.

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.I forget what my point was. I guess it was a long winding road to the now mythologised Craig era.
Yeah,that's the point exactly. Well anyhow the fact is that Casino Royale was being first written in mind for Pierce but then Babs changed her mind...and here we are today.
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Once we officially find out if Cr-egg is remaining until at least 2020, a decision will be made whether or not to continue this futile internet crusade to bring Bond back to reality. If Cr-egg remains at least another 5 years, then IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER any longer and my discussions will be relegated to anything NOT Cr-egg, for IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER any longer :!: [video][/video] FBF, what say yee?
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NO MORE CREGG NO MORE CREGG NO MORE CREGG! :cuss:
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bjmdds wrote:Once we officially find out if Cr-egg is remaining until at least 2020, a decision will be made whether or not to continue this futile internet crusade to bring Bond back to reality. If Cr-egg remains at least another 5 years, then IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER any longer and my discussions will be relegated to anything NOT Cr-egg, for IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER any longer :!: [video][/video] FBF, what say yee?
It doesn't matter who plays Bond anymore. Might as well be this character from the StarCraft franchise:

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FBF said: "It doesn't matter who plays Bond anymore"................IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER FBF..............IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...............8 years until a new Bond is in a film by 2023? :shock: :shock: :shock: .......IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER, if Cr-egg remains until 2020 :roll:
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Support Kingsman and Pierce's upcoming films (even though I'm getting the feeling that his agent and his PR is going him a Seagal treatment). Bond is for the Zerg swarm from Starcraft to play once DC retires.
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Napoleon Solo wrote:re: Eon trying to stop The Man From UNCLE....that refers to the original television show.

Ian Fleming was involved with the development of the show from October 1962 until June 1963. He was never going to do the heavy lifting, but NBC was willing to air the series without a pilot because of Fleming's involvement.

Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman pressured Fleming to exit the TV show. He did, signing away his rights for 1 British pound. You can read the text here. There's an UNCLE documentary on the DVDs. I froze the screen and copied down the text of the letter.

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... -e-rights/

The pilot was filmed in November 1963 as Solo. Eon claimed that violated their Goldfinger rights (recall the gangster named Solo) and threatened legal action. Everything was settled with the show changing its title to The Man From UNCLE. Broccoli, in his autobiography, still took potshots at the show.

The thing is: The Incredible World of James Bond and Welcome to Japan, Mr. Bond, two specials promoting the films aired in UNCLE's time slot on NBC. Presumably, Eon didn't complain about the exposure.
This is excellent! Thanks for the info!!

And I'm still not over Guy Ritchie's absolutely PERFECT comments re: U.N.C.L.E. and Bond.
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Omega wrote:
kater23 wrote:More Craig for the foreseeable future? I think i just lost the will to live _.//

@BJ:I'm not going to ComiCon but may go to a meetup nearby with some online friends. :martini: :martini: :martini:
Did I miss something? Was his contract extended again?


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It wasn't. And please, my darlings, at least you on here... STOP BELIEVING CRAP COMING FROM GOSSIP RAGS!!!
That stuff that was quoted is BEYOND ridiculous from BEYOND irrelevant media sources, COME ON NOW! I mean it when I say that stuff shouldn't even be commented on. It has the same credibility and reliability as something reported by the National Enquirer in the U.S. PLEASE! Let's focus on ACTUAL news as opposed to fabricated nonsense. And honestly I do not care, period.

Instead, focus on commenting actually reliable press, with Guy Ritchie saying what every self-respecting BOND director should say!
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You don't have to be afraid, FBF. A traditional Bond is not coming back. The Craig fans themselves kept saying the public view on Bond has changed, so expect the alikes of Wade Barrett get an election of the next 007 casting. They want the muscular wrestlers with emotional traumas to take on the role. Who cares? I already have Kingsman where I want it to be. Plus, UNCLE is on its way, with Henry Cavill awesomely altering his lost opportunity to the Bond role in another creation of Ian Fleming's. Napoleon Solo.

Oh, and just as I posted this, you were in my mind, Ale. :D
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John P. Drake wrote:You don't have to be afraid, FBF. A traditional Bond is not coming back. The Craig fans themselves kept saying the public view on Bond has changed, so expect the alikes of Wade Barrett get an election of the next 007 casting. They want the muscular wrestlers with emotional traumas to take on the role. Who cares? I already have Kingsman where I want it to be. Plus, UNCLE is on its way, with Henry Cavill awesomely altering his lost opportunity to the Bond role in another creation of Ian Fleming's. Napoleon Solo.

Oh, and just as I posted this, you were in my mind, Ale. :D
Why thank you, kind Sir!! :D
I SOOO can't wait for U.N.C.L.E. and after what Guy Ritchie said, I am SUPER excited at the mere idea.
I'm also laughing that with a $75 mln budget this film is essentially already guaranteed to be MUCH more entertaining than Spectre that has a RIDICULOUS $300 mln budget. A QUARTER of the budget. Know what that means? U.N.C.L.E. will break even with merely $236 mln at the box office. Let's make it $270 with publicity costs? Because they were smart with that too and they aren't uselessly spending money left and right to advertise it.

Meantime, Skyfall? Just to break even they need AT LEAST $900 mln.. but actually publicity expenses will have to be added to those $300 mln so yeah, it'll have to do OVER a BILLION dollars JUST TO BREAK EVEN. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Alessandra wrote:
Blowfeld wrote:
Alessandra wrote:
Veronica wrote:And yeah Ale I am of opinion that they go inspite of him because there is James Bond in the title. He is not a leading man material let's face it. It's actually hilarious how Babs goes on how he is "a unique mix of acting skills.and movie star charisma"... :lol: that's an ACTUAL quote. That's a level of Denise Richards' statement that she liked the role because it was "brainy,athletic and had an actually depth that was missing in prior Bond girls."
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: GOOD LORD.
Sorry, I had to. The "realism" part just makes me laugh. James Bond was NEVER about realism, it was about having impossibly cool gadgets that no one could ever dream of and DOING THE IMPOSSIBLE. Just go open the door of your house or do a reality show on mafia hitmen if you want to see realism! For heaven's sake!

Now, as far as the rest...
The general opinion of the best Bond here, is the same as everywhere: SEAN CONNERY.
Other favorites vary, but Pierce Brosnan and Sir Roger are generally the other two faves. No, Craig is NOT popular around here and as I stated above, the only two people (men of course) I know who like Craig as Bond, do NOT like Bond movies because "it's too unrealistic". OK THEN. LOL

And as you said, SERIOUS and HUMORLESS does NOT mean realistic. Humor is a HUGE part of everyday life, and without it we would all be dead! Doesn't get more real than humor! Not even worth debating certain people.
There was a chemistry which made 007 movies work. The Broccoli family had worked out a formula and with mixed results produced movies one their own since 1974. For the last 9 years they have been trying to rediscover the formula, starting with a man however decent he may be in real life looks and acts nothing like 007 written or filmed. Putting him in stories which had little to nothing to do with Bond. All under the pretence of this is how "Bond become Bond",

All this in a vain attempt to remake the magic they never really lost, until they decided to reboot. Now those lambasted elements, like gadgets, humour and loyal secretary, are slowing making their come back in the series and the magic EON tossed away so causally were picked up by apparently more talented producers, writers and directors, some of whom were passed over by EON. I've seen more good movies, Bond in all but name in the last 6 years than EON every could have produced. James Bond will return, althou maybe not where we expect him to.
Exactly, and speaking of this... there was a full article on Corriere della Sera's fashion weekly today about Man from U.N.C.L.E. because they filmed in Italy too as you know (the article focused on Rome, because they filmed there).

Anyway the interesting parts are two. One, they specifically gave out the budget (not that it was a secret), from GUY RITCHIE'S own lips, given he is the interviewee, and do you know how much it is? $75 mln. SEVENTY-FIVE million. A QUARTER of the (ridiculously high) budget for Spectre. A QUARTER!!! For MUCH better actors (cause Cavill, Hammer, Debicki, Vikander and even Hugh Grant are all MUCH better actors than the leads in the cast of Spectre), a supremely superior script AND director (cause Guy Ritchie has proven how he can do spy, humor and action d**n well), and waiting to see, but pretty surely an infinitely better movie overall, too.
SEVENTY-FIVE million dollars as opposed to 300 million dollars. PLEASE bear that in mind.

The other very VERY interesting thing is that Guy Ritchie himself said in the interview, and I quote (translating from the magazine... hate translating what's already been translated, but whatever!)

"The actors (Cavill and Hammer) have understood what I want from them".
In this case, they need to be credible in the very glamorous shoes of secret agents in an era during which the benchmark, aesthetic and spectacular, was Sean Connery's 007.
"I have always been a huge fan of Sean Connery's Bond, so evocative, charismatic. When I took over this project, I immediately thought that I wanted it to have this Bondian idea of the '60s. Without wanting to make a copy of it, obviously, but with the intention to recreate that precise atmosphere."
The dynamic of the couple of enemies forced to work together is also familiar to Ritchie. "There is a correlation between the two of them and the Holmes-Watson couple. Constant friction, and the research of a balance between the humorous aspects (comic too, with a sharp sense of humor) and the other elements. I want people to have fun with my movies, but without taking credibility away from the story."

In short: GUY RITCHIE IS MAKING A BOND MOVIE THE WAY THEY OUGHT TO BE MADE. And he is NOT afraid of embracing the humor and of making people HAVE FUN. Cause, like everyone who is SECURE in their artistic position, he doesn't need to be pretentious in his claims about any movie to show that it is good. He doesn't need to completely destroy a concept that includes humor and gadgets to sell a good story, because HE KNOWS that's not what people want AND he knows that it is NOT going to take anything away from his artistry.

THAT is the difference. Barbara Broccoli is a woman who doesn't have a tenth of her father's talent, so she constantly feels like she needs to prove something or leave a different mark... because she's aware she is a mediocre producer who will NEED to be pretentious in order to get the "ohh look, they're trying to make Bond serious so that must mean they are more artistic" type of comment from morons who don't understand a THING about what Bond actually is. Result? Now they have to go back to the original formula, but hey slowly, because they can't look like the fools they are for what they pulled so far, can't look like they're finally going back to what ACTUALLY works.

Guy Ritchie doesn't have that problem, he is neither insecure, nor trying to prove anything to anyone. And WB doesn't have that problem either, and so they just produce a great 60s themed spy movie the way it ought to be.

I can't even begin to explain how much I laughed when I read this interview, and I mean laughed because he says EXACTLY what every Bond director should say and EXACTLY what we want to hear.

Applause to Mr. Ritchie. :up:
This, right now is the ONLY thing that matters.
I couldn't care less about Spectre or any of that. It's a ridiculous script and it will be an equally ridiculous, soap-opera personal drama oriented film, as opposed to being a Bond adventure comme il faut.
I am going to focus on the GOOD coming ahead (that would be The Man from U.N.C.L.E.) and the casting of the NEW Bond after Craig. The rest, I don't care about.
"Are we on coms?"
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