The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[The Saint 007]

Still it's just waaay too much. Franchise continued with Dalton and Brosnan after he left and I don't see Roger singing praises to them. I think actually read somewhere how he thinks Craig is now better than Connery... one big WTF!! I mean SERIOUSLY?

Roger has said "Both Sean Connery and I will be forgotten after everybody sees Pierce" at the time of GoldenEye. Although he tends to praise Craig a bit too much for my liking, he has said positive things about the other actors too. It seems his opinion of either Connery or Craig being the best tends to flip-flop, however.

Craig being better than Connery? That's like saying Goldfinger is a bad movie. And I know he said that about Pierce and that's very nice of him. And I think that at least for 5 minutes it was true. Pierce was nailed(quite righty IMHO) as the best since Connery.

Oh, I've seen some fans on other Bond forums who don't care for Goldfinger. The Bond fandom is a very diverse group.

Aside from Lazenby, all the other Bond actors have also said positive things regarding Craig. I believe Dalton was the one who said that Skyfall deserved an Oscar. Since Moore is one of the older actors who's still the most actively involved with the series, it's only natural to hear him talk about Craig the most. As a fan of Moore, it does bother me that he praises this new direction, especially since he was the one who once said that Bond films should be fun and entertaining, and not leave you feeling depressed. Sadly, his attitude has changed over time, but that's his opinion.

I don't take the whole "Best Bond since Connery" phrase seriously. It's just marketing to me. I'm sure if Craig's successor is any good, people will be saying the same thing about him too.

[Veronica]

Oh of course from what they say SPECTRE is "the biggest,the best.Bond and beyond." Oh,sorry. Wrong movie.

[Veronica]

Still it's just waaay too much. Franchise continued with Dalton and Brosnan after he left and I don't see Roger singing praises to them. I think actually read somewhere how he thinks Craig is now better than Connery... one big WTF!! I mean SERIOUSLY?

Roger has said "Both Sean Connery and I will be forgotten after everybody sees Pierce" at the time of GoldenEye. Although he tends to praise Craig a bit too much for my liking, he has said positive things about the other actors too. It seems his opinion of either Connery or Craig being the best tends to flip-flop, however.

Craig being better than Connery? That's like saying Goldfinger is a bad movie. And I know he said that about Pierce and that's very nice of him. And I think that at least for 5 minutes it was true. Pierce was nailed(quite righty IMHO) as the best since Connery.

Oh, I've seen some fans on other Bond forums who don't care for Goldfinger. The Bond fandom is a very diverse group.

Aside from Lazenby, all the other Bond actors have also said positive things regarding Craig. I believe Dalton was the one who said that Skyfall deserved an Oscar. Since Moore is one of the older actors who's still the most actively involved with the series, it's only natural to hear him talk about Craig the most. As a fan of Moore, it does bother me that he praises this new direction, especially since he was the one who once said that Bond films should be fun and entertaining, and not leave you feeling depressed. Sadly, his attitude has changed over time, but that's his opinion.

I don't take the whole "Best Bond since Connery" phrase seriously. It's just marketing to me. I'm sure if Craig's successor is any good, people will be saying the same thing about him too.

That's the thing. I doubt Moore changes his mind. You don't change your mind about something like that. It's like me saying for a few days how I think Craig is the best Bond ever. It feels so fake to me because it is just way too much. Skyfall deserves an Oscar? For what exactly? Except for the theme song(which it got). Seriously,you can say you like Craig(for whatever reason) but to say that he's better than the man who made Bond the phenomenon he is-that's just beyond stupid. Shouldn't they all be neutral and just give answers like "I think they were all good and each brought something to the role" etc... everybody knows that's how it works and I just can't bought that these professional actors don't know it. You could see it because they probably asked every person that was ever involved with a Bond franchise what do they think about Craig. A notable amount of Bond girls said how they don't think he's Bond.

[bjmdds]

Broccoli vicariously considers herself a Bond girl, and just like Vince MacMahon of the WWE, she wears the pants in the corporation and she could care less what ANYONE else thinks about Cr-egg.

[Omega]

So pissed the season pass for call of duty didn't work until right now. I like to play the map packs before the campers get the figured out


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[Omega]

Serge Rocco: LA Classic Movies Examiner: "The upcoming James Bond movie teaser is online and, at first glance, looks more like a bleak vampire movie trailer than exotic escapism, which was once the franchise’s beloved trademark. What ever happened to the humor and charm that characterized any James Bond adventure? Up until the 80s, each outing in the series was a hugely anticipated event that placed the suave, cynical and resourceful British spy in the most spectacular, while implausible, situations. Each film in the franchise was pure campy entertainment in which the lead character always got away thanks to his sex appeal and gadgets, i.e., the Lotus Esprit-turned-submarine in The Spy Who Loved Me (United Artists, 1977), the Rolex watch rotating bezel-turned-saw in Live and Let Die (United Artists, 1973).

Spectre trailer takes itself way too seriously and suggests revelation about James Bond’s past, whatever. Or even better, plain boring, who cares? Who wants to know anything about Bond’s past anyway? He isn't a believable character. He is just what every man wants to be: suave, resourceful, brave, endowed of an irresistible and insolent charm every woman falls for, while showing an incredible devotion to his country. The plot in these films is secondary. Their ‘raison d’être’ resides in the over-the-top villains and impossible situations Bond has to face, like when he was pushed out of an aircraft without a parachute in the spectacular opening of Moonraker (United Artists, 1979).

Daniel Craig is an excellent actor, but he is not James Bond. He is too serious, down-to-earth and rough for the part. And, as evidenced by Skyfall’s teary final scene, in which M died in the arms of a sobbing Bond, he is way too sentimental. What about Léa Seydoux as a Bond girl? The French actress, best known to art-house audiences as one of the leads of Cannes Film Festival’s favorite Blue is the Warmest Color (Wild Bunch, 2013) is, to say the least, an odd choice to star as the lead Bond girl. What happened to the glamour?

One also can wonder about the point of spending 300 million dollars on a movie, albeit a Bond film. What justifies such an astronomical number? It is not like the MGM-Columbia co-production is filled with A-listers, apart from two-time Oscar winner Christoph Waltz, to some extent. The German-Austrian actor plays the role of Bond’s eternal nemesis, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, a role previously held by Donald Pleasence, Telly Savalas and Charles Gray.

Sean and Rog, where are you? We miss your charm and humor."

interesting I and the director possibly actors of kinsman fell the same way


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[Veronica]

Broccoli vicariously considers herself a Bond girl, and just like Vince MacMahon of the WWE, she wears the pants in the corporation and she could care less what ANYONE else thinks about Cr-egg.

Basically the only thing that matters know is that how she thinks he's the most gorgeous guy on a planet. so know this completely wrong guy for this role actually has it because she doesn't know the difference between personal and business.

[bjmdds]

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[ml94]

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[Alessandra]

Serge Rocco: LA Classic Movies Examiner: "The upcoming James Bond movie teaser is online and, at first glance, looks more like a bleak vampire movie trailer than exotic escapism, which was once the franchise’s beloved trademark. What ever happened to the humor and charm that characterized any James Bond adventure? Up until the 80s, each outing in the series was a hugely anticipated event that placed the suave, cynical and resourceful British spy in the most spectacular, while implausible, situations. Each film in the franchise was pure campy entertainment in which the lead character always got away thanks to his sex appeal and gadgets, i.e., the Lotus Esprit-turned-submarine in The Spy Who Loved Me (United Artists, 1977), the Rolex watch rotating bezel-turned-saw in Live and Let Die (United Artists, 1973).

Spectre trailer takes itself way too seriously and suggests revelation about James Bond’s past, whatever. Or even better, plain boring, who cares? Who wants to know anything about Bond’s past anyway? He isn't a believable character. He is just what every man wants to be: suave, resourceful, brave, endowed of an irresistible and insolent charm every woman falls for, while showing an incredible devotion to his country. The plot in these films is secondary. Their ‘raison d’être’ resides in the over-the-top villains and impossible situations Bond has to face, like when he was pushed out of an aircraft without a parachute in the spectacular opening of Moonraker (United Artists, 1979).

Daniel Craig is an excellent actor, but he is not James Bond. He is too serious, down-to-earth and rough for the part. And, as evidenced by Skyfall’s teary final scene, in which M died in the arms of a sobbing Bond, he is way too sentimental. What about Léa Seydoux as a Bond girl? The French actress, best known to art-house audiences as one of the leads of Cannes Film Festival’s favorite Blue is the Warmest Color (Wild Bunch, 2013) is, to say the least, an odd choice to star as the lead Bond girl. What happened to the glamour?

One also can wonder about the point of spending 300 million dollars on a movie, albeit a Bond film. What justifies such an astronomical number? It is not like the MGM-Columbia co-production is filled with A-listers, apart from two-time Oscar winner Christoph Waltz, to some extent. The German-Austrian actor plays the role of Bond’s eternal nemesis, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, a role previously held by Donald Pleasence, Telly Savalas and Charles Gray.

Sean and Rog, where are you? We miss your charm and humor."

Amazing. A critic who gets it.

[ml94]

Serge Rocco: LA Classic Movies Examiner: "The upcoming James Bond movie teaser is online and, at first glance, looks more like a bleak vampire movie trailer than exotic escapism, which was once the franchise’s beloved trademark. What ever happened to the humor and charm that characterized any James Bond adventure? Up until the 80s, each outing in the series was a hugely anticipated event that placed the suave, cynical and resourceful British spy in the most spectacular, while implausible, situations. Each film in the franchise was pure campy entertainment in which the lead character always got away thanks to his sex appeal and gadgets, i.e., the Lotus Esprit-turned-submarine in The Spy Who Loved Me (United Artists, 1977), the Rolex watch rotating bezel-turned-saw in Live and Let Die (United Artists, 1973).

Spectre trailer takes itself way too seriously and suggests revelation about James Bond’s past, whatever. Or even better, plain boring, who cares? Who wants to know anything about Bond’s past anyway? He isn't a believable character. He is just what every man wants to be: suave, resourceful, brave, endowed of an irresistible and insolent charm every woman falls for, while showing an incredible devotion to his country. The plot in these films is secondary. Their ‘raison d’être’ resides in the over-the-top villains and impossible situations Bond has to face, like when he was pushed out of an aircraft without a parachute in the spectacular opening of Moonraker (United Artists, 1979).

Daniel Craig is an excellent actor, but he is not James Bond. He is too serious, down-to-earth and rough for the part. And, as evidenced by Skyfall’s teary final scene, in which M died in the arms of a sobbing Bond, he is way too sentimental. What about Léa Seydoux as a Bond girl? The French actress, best known to art-house audiences as one of the leads of Cannes Film Festival’s favorite Blue is the Warmest Color (Wild Bunch, 2013) is, to say the least, an odd choice to star as the lead Bond girl. What happened to the glamour?

One also can wonder about the point of spending 300 million dollars on a movie, albeit a Bond film. What justifies such an astronomical number? It is not like the MGM-Columbia co-production is filled with A-listers, apart from two-time Oscar winner Christoph Waltz, to some extent. The German-Austrian actor plays the role of Bond’s eternal nemesis, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, a role previously held by Donald Pleasence, Telly Savalas and Charles Gray.

Sean and Rog, where are you? We miss your charm and humor."

Amazing. A critic who gets it.

[Veronica]

Finally. Bond was never meant to be realistic or complexed. He is simply a fantasy. Every man wants to be him every woman wants to be with him. If he was something that could be seen in real life he wouldn't be a phenomenon. These Craig movies don't feel like Bond movies at all. It's like I'm watching any other spy/action movie. What distinguished James Bond from every other movie hero is that he is suave,sophisticated,charismatic secret agent. I only need to remember that scene in Dr.No when Connery first said that historic line:"Bond.James Bond." That was the epitome of coolness and made me wanna be Sylvia Trench.Or for example the scene were Bond walks into casino in GoldenEye. That cool,confident walk. Flirting with a woman while playing baccarat. That's Bond. An escapism. If you wanna see something closer to the real life espionage then go watch "Tinker,Tailor,Soldier,Spy". Bond was never meant to be completely realistic or dark or whatever people today are praising. Although I did like analysing of Bonds character and little things that you could read between the lines most notable in GoldenEye. Bond is above all a charismatic secret spy which made that profession look cool to every boy at least. I think someone said how "not every man would like to be James Bond,but every boy would". Precisely.

[bjmdds]

The 52nd anniversary episode today of General Hospital on ABC television had the big reveal of why their most popular charcter, Luke Spencer, went nuts the past year on the show. The writer had flashbacks to when Luke was a teenager and accidentally killed his mother with a baseball bat while trying to swing it at his abusive father, and then he killed his father too, and repressed all of this since childhood. Tony Geary (Luke) may retire now from the role of Luke, but once again, these Hollywood writers actually think this garbage is what viewers want The majority of the internet reaction to this storyline arc has been negative and people are now hoping the show ends. It's the same nonsense with this new psychologically driven Eon direction with Bond. To think that SP-ECHH-TRE will most likely show scenes of 'wittle' Jimmy Bond as a teenager is unthinkable Who wants to watch such drivel?

[Kristatos]

To think that SP-ECHH-TRE will most likely show scenes of 'wittle' Jimmy Bond as a teenager is unthinkable Who wants to watch such drivel?

I guess there's no chance of movies based on the Young Bond novels. I haven't read them, but a lot of people have said they're better than the "proper" continuation novels - a sort of cross between Ian Fleming and JK Rowling! I keep meaning to read them, they sound a lot more entertaining than the ongoing EastBonders saga in the official movies.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

I disagree that Bond can't or shouldn't be dark and complex. Dalton brought both to the fore perfectly. Nobody would want to be Dalton's Bond (his not a cutesy world to live in), but he was an interesting Bond to watch. The qualites that distinguish Bond I do agree with, but I would also add Bond's experience, intelligence and resourcefulness.


If Bond was nothing more than a smarmy superhero, the films would quickly become boring. But what Craig is doing, isn't dark and complex, but simply... bland, a generic action hero. By showing us Bond's part, removes any mystery the character might have had.

[Kristatos]

If Bond was nothing more than a smarmy superhero, the films would quickly become boring. But what Craig is doing, isn't dark and complex, but simply... bland, a generic action hero. By showing us Bond's part, removes any mystery the character might have had.

It's a very adolescent idea of what "dark and complex" entails, the cinematic equivalent of sixth form poetry.

[Veronica]

I disagree that Bond can't or shouldn't be dark and complex. Dalton brought both to the fore perfectly. Nobody would want to be Dalton's Bond (his not a cutesy world to live in), but he was an interesting Bond to watch. The qualites that distinguish Bond I do agree with, but I would also add Bond's experience, intelligence and resourcefulness.


If Bond was nothing more than a smarmy superhero, the films would quickly become boring. But what Craig is doing, isn't dark and complex, but simply... bland, a generic action hero. By showing us Bond's part, removes any mystery the character might have had.

I agree about intelligence,experience and resourcefulness. Also I agree how nobody would want to be Dalton's Bond. He's not glamorous or as suave and sophisticated and cool as Connery,Brosnan or Moore(but Moore was all aristocratic like). Because of this IMO Dalton didn't make a very good(but he wasn't bad either) Bond but he just might be the closest thing to a real life spy out of all of them. And yes,Craig is a generic action hero...nothing more.

[bjmdds]

I have it on good authority that this will most likely be a flashback scene from 'ECHH-Tre, showing the important upbringing that Jimmy and Ernst got in an orphanage, which in turn, shaped their adult careers. Ernst is the penultimate child seen, with 'wittle' Jimmy the final child, and the father figure they both competed for: [video][/video]

[Goldeneye]

What? No April fools links to stories of Craig walking off the set?

Wow maybe the press is finally boring of juvenile pranks. Maybe they just bored of Craig.
I doubt they could top the drunken flight form hell which actually happened.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

If Bond was nothing more than a smarmy superhero, the films would quickly become boring. But what Craig is doing, isn't dark and complex, but simply... bland, a generic action hero. By showing us Bond's part, removes any mystery the character might have had.

It's a very adolescent idea of what "dark and complex" entails, the cinematic equivalent of sixth form poetry.

SSshhh, that is what passes for Bond today.