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shaken not stirred wrote:Hey all been really busy but back with some sad news :( (R.I.P Spock (Leonard Nimoy) may you live long and propser up in heaven. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31662024 :(

As for this new bond film more bond childhood trauma pass Me a sick bucket, it really needs the daddy didn't care song from austin powers 3 gold member now..oh the angst, what a joke and people will watch and defend this tripe... :|

It also looks like I won't be starting that animation assistant job for a fair while yet :( but will get the call when it's happening, I'm also going to see the vice president of Nickelodeon next month down in Camden office in London, showed him some of My work via email (drawings and animation), found him through a friend who used to work with My dad (she saw him at a football match with her kids), I really hope I can get something good out of this and I'll be chatting to him for an hour.
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I wonder if Spock was able to record his next appearance on trek . I doubt it .

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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:$156M taking on a $32M budget isn't anything to sniff at. It was enough for attentioon to be turned to Bond #17...

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I don't know if Spectre can do Skyfall numbers (I believe Skyfall was helped greatly by the series' 50th anniversary), but no doubt it'll make EON happy.
I dunno. I like Dalton and ltk but what hurt it was that it ended in the red financially.
Did it, though? And how much extra did they spend. I am a big supporter of the Dalton era, but I am not naive enough to not see that LTK was, and still is, the lowest grossing Bond film. If EON took a loss, fair enough. But with without knowing what the real numbers were, i'll accept the $156M from $32M.
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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:
Omega wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:$156M taking on a $32M budget isn't anything to sniff at. It was enough for attentioon to be turned to Bond #17...

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I don't know if Spectre can do Skyfall numbers (I believe Skyfall was helped greatly by the series' 50th anniversary), but no doubt it'll make EON happy.
I dunno. I like Dalton and ltk but what hurt it was that it ended in the red financially.
Did it, though? And how much extra did they spend. I am a big supporter of the Dalton era, but I am not naive enough to not see that LTK was, and still is, the lowest grossing Bond film. If EON took a loss, fair enough. But with without knowing what the real numbers were, i'll accept the $156M from $32M.
No, QOS was the first Bond film ever to make a loss. But LTK's grosses were disappointing enough that Dalton himself has said that everyone wondered if it would be the last one.
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Kristatos wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:
Omega wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:$156M taking on a $32M budget isn't anything to sniff at. It was enough for attentioon to be turned to Bond #17...

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I don't know if Spectre can do Skyfall numbers (I believe Skyfall was helped greatly by the series' 50th anniversary), but no doubt it'll make EON happy.
I dunno. I like Dalton and ltk but what hurt it was that it ended in the red financially.
Did it, though? And how much extra did they spend. I am a big supporter of the Dalton era, but I am not naive enough to not see that LTK was, and still is, the lowest grossing Bond film. If EON took a loss, fair enough. But with without knowing what the real numbers were, i'll accept the $156M from $32M.
No, QOS was the first Bond film ever to make a loss. But LTK's grosses were disappointing enough that Dalton himself has said that everyone wondered if it would be the last one.
Unless I am mistaken, Dalton was saying that LTK could be THE last Bond even before the film was released. I'm sure there's an interview where he admit to feeling that LTK will be the final Bond film.
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LTK was terribly received with $8.7 million opening weekend in the USA. People did not like the film then. I went opening weekend and it was not crowded in the theatres at all. Dalton almost did end the franchise but Brosnan resurrected it nicely in the public's eye 6 years later.
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire, springs to mind.

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On the basis of this second performance as Bond, Dalton can have the role as long as he enjoys it. He makes an effective Bond - lacking Sean Connery's grace and humor, and Roger Moore's suave self-mockery, but with a lean tension and a toughness that is possibly more contemporary. The major difference between Dalton and the earlier Bonds is that he seems to prefer action to sex. But then so do movie audiences, these days. "Licence to Kill" is one of the best of the recent Bonds.

He might not have had an audience like Brosnan did, but he wasn't universally hated either.
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The problem was not the movie or Dalton. It was when it was released. 1989 had some monster releases we are still talking about. Eon should of moved the release.

I do remember someone else saying Dalton had talked about it being the possibly the last, probably didn't help but it was competing against batman, lethal weapon, ghostbusters, dead poets, shrunk the kids, Indiana jones, it was in the worst possible place for release.


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Btw while I enjoy the hell out of ltk I do admit there were some weak point the director and writer just didn't care. I think Dalton has said something similar.


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Kristatos wrote:
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I don't know if Spectre can do Skyfall numbers (I believe Skyfall was helped greatly by the series' 50th anniversary), but no doubt it'll make EON happy.
I dunno. I like Dalton and ltk but what hurt it was that it ended in the red financially.
Did it, though? And how much extra did they spend. I am a big supporter of the Dalton era, but I am not naive enough to not see that LTK was, and still is, the lowest grossing Bond film. If EON took a loss, fair enough. But with without knowing what the real numbers were, i'll accept the $156M from $32M.
No, QOS was the first Bond film ever to make a loss. But LTK's grosses were disappointing enough that Dalton himself has said that everyone wondered if it would be the last one.
i can't find the numbers but we used to have all the bond data on the true profit up to qos I think. I remember ltk being in the red according to what was posted.


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If that's true with the numbers, then I concede.

About the weak points, I disagree that the Maibaum/MGW and/or Glenn didn't care. Though I do know that Glenn was more concerned with overseeing the action scenes, leaving Dalton to act as a sort of director to the actors. I believe that Dalton and Glenn didn't get along as well as they did on TLD. Look, I have no problem with Glenn's direction, the LTK tanker chase is one of the (if not THE) best staged action sequences in a Bond film, but I am glad that EON were shopping around for another director for Bond #17 (Dalton's 3rd). 5 films consecutively, is more than enough from any director. I do think that a new director, with a fresh style, working closely with Dalton, could have made Bond#17 a success.

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Thanks bjmdds I really hope it all goes well.
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shaken not stirred wrote:Thanks bjmdds I really hope it all goes well.
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The budget is $10M too high, LTK cost $32M, not $42. Where did those numbers (listed in that table) come from?
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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:If that's true with the numbers, then I concede.

About the weak points, I disagree that the Maibaum/MGW and/or Glenn didn't care. Though I do know that Glenn was more concerned with overseeing the action scenes, leaving Dalton to act as a sort of director to the actors. I believe that Dalton and Glenn didn't get along as well as they did on TLD. Look, I have no problem with Glenn's direction, the LTK tanker chase is one of the (if not THE) best staged action sequences in a Bond film, but I am glad that EON were shopping around for another director for Bond #17 (Dalton's 3rd). 5 films consecutively, is more than enough from any director. I do think that a new director, with a fresh style, working closely with Dalton, could have made Bond#17 a success.

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Ltk real cost was like $90 million total with p&a , of all the money earned the studio saw $60 million . These are not absolute doing this on my phone I going off mental notes.

Ltk made money about the time ge and Tnd came out.

But ltk did not kill bond. What I was told is the last 3 bond movies of the 80s were not making money for the studio when they left Theaters but they were slowly making money with the new home video market but the studio and investors were upset and had a show down with cubby over the profit sharing. That is why Dalton said what he did about it being the last movie.
They went from moonraker money to view to a kill dollars.

If Tnd had not made money up front it probably would of been the last bond movie.

IMHO ltk would have made a lot more if eon had paid attention to when it was released.


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bjmdds wrote:Image

The budget is $10M too high, LTK cost $32M, not $42. Where did those numbers (listed in that table) come from?
The numbers have the same or similar chart
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