interesting how the spin about cavill seems to be he tried but the dcu wasn’t all that good. Fans aren’t outraged he’s gone (I think most bond fans would be the same about Craig at this point)bjmdds wrote:Mark Hughes: Batman v Superman, which met with overwhelmingly negative critical reception, constant media coverage of that negative reception, less enthusiastic audience scores relative to past Batman-featuring films (and even Man of Steel), an underperformance of $873 million, and widespread complaints that Superman seemed too dour and was bogged down in perpetually questioning his mission and even the worthiness of humanity at times. The terrible results for Batman v Superman of course led to widespread changes in Warner's approach to the DCEU, and a last-minute rush to make adjustments for Justice League. We all know how that turned out, of course. Taking about $658 million worldwide, Justice League was an undeniable failure. I won't call it a true "flop," since it made enough to qualify as a blockbuster; but it failed because it didn't recoup its costs, it was the lowest-grossing film of the entire DCEU to date, it was a critical failure, and it once again received mixed audience scores.
Omega wrote:you’re right but I’ve had this argument with the Craigites for a long time I know what argument they’ll jump towards. Fact is none of Craig’s movies except for SF actually were a improvement on his predecessors.dirtybenny wrote:Scrolling down on B.O. Mojo shows the top 10 un-adjusted worldwide gross, which for the most part mirrors the U.S. figures, so I'd say it's the same.
CR cost as much or more than DAD( even though eon at one pint used GBP to make it lol like they spent less) it sold fewer DVDs and Blu-ray but somehow it saved the franchise. In retrospect it was the beginning of the end eon had run out of enthusiasm for the series years ago and were happy enough to let the ego of one actor determine their strategy.
I’m surprised after all these years to see so many of Brosnan’s movies are still near the top, the hype for Craig is so entrenched in common knowledge the facts seem like strange novelties.
I’m still kind of annoyed dalton never got a fair chance at the role but he was very much Fleming’s Bond. There was a interview with Q in the 1990s for one on the DVD’s (maybe) where he shrugged his shoulders and says dalton was Fleming bond and the audience didn’t care for it.
Kristatos wrote:Meaning that their previously rejected script was dig out of a skip somewhere (dumpster if you're American).
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I also think it means production is waaayy behind pulling out a unfinished script by guys who had no idea where to take bond just a year ago.dirtybenny wrote:Kristatos wrote:Meaning that their previously rejected script was dig out of a skip somewhere (dumpster if you're American).
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And if their previous creations are any indicator I'd say that is precisely where it belongs!
I think given what Dalton has said about LTK imho cubby and the director were in a rush to quickly churn out a product to cash in on a fad four years too late. Robocop and other violent movies and shows like Miami vice had run the course more or less, bond didn’t need to copy it. It was also the summer of blockbuster that would change Hollywood for the next decade some of it was bad timing.dirtybenny wrote:Omega wrote:you’re right but I’ve had this argument with the Craigites for a long time I know what argument they’ll jump towards. Fact is none of Craig’s movies except for SF actually were a improvement on his predecessors.dirtybenny wrote:Scrolling down on B.O. Mojo shows the top 10 un-adjusted worldwide gross, which for the most part mirrors the U.S. figures, so I'd say it's the same.
CR cost as much or more than DAD( even though eon at one pint used GBP to make it lol like they spent less) it sold fewer DVDs and Blu-ray but somehow it saved the franchise. In retrospect it was the beginning of the end eon had run out of enthusiasm for the series years ago and were happy enough to let the ego of one actor determine their strategy.
I’m surprised after all these years to see so many of Brosnan’s movies are still near the top, the hype for Craig is so entrenched in common knowledge the facts seem like strange novelties.
I’m still kind of annoyed dalton never got a fair chance at the role but he was very much Fleming’s Bond. There was a interview with Q in the 1990s for one on the DVD’s (maybe) where he shrugged his shoulders and says dalton was Fleming bond and the audience didn’t care for it.
I wholeheartedly agree, to add to your point about Dalton I also agree he is Fleming's Bond, certainly light-years more so than Craig! I was watching The Living Daylights the other day and was hit with an early Connery vibe as well. Dalton actually conveys introspection and contemplation that were hallmarks of Fleming, unlike Craig who simply scowls and grunts then calls it character development. I think Dalton's downfall aside from the troubles plaguing the producers in the 90's was the ultra dark, violent tone of Licence to Kill. EON tried too hard to ride the coattails of Scarface and Miami Vice (which themselves were fading into the background of pop culture). Had the film been just a bit lighter in it's approach I think he would have been remembered quite a bit more fondly.
Omega wrote: I also think it means production is waaayy behind pulling out a unfinished script by guys who had no idea where to take bond just a year ago.
To add to this point they were the team who when given the rights to CR in the late 1999 early 2000 thought there was nothing to work with until Quinten Tarantino had his take on it.
bjmdds wrote:According to Deadline, the screenwriters have turned in their "treatment", which the duo will now 'work on turning into a script'.It's not quite as big as finding a new director, but it's progress. The writing duo is reportedly using 'elements' from Danny Boyle's script, so the director's version of Bond 25 will live on in 'some form'. There's no word on any plot details, which probably won't surface in an official capacity until 'sometime after the script is turned in'.........................13 months until UK release and counting-------TICK-------TOCK--------
bjmdds wrote:Richard Madden:Scottish:32 years old...........your thoughts?
carl stromberg wrote:bjmdds wrote:Richard Madden:Scottish:32 years old...........your thoughts?
Handsome with dark hair - no chance of being cast by Barbara!
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