The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

james stock · Post by **james stock** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:36 pm

I wish it could be at least a more traditional bond film, but alas it will probebly be a continuation of the non plot from casino royale.

Sexual discrimination i shall have to pay it a visit

Post by **Kristatos** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:35 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:Some great films you mentioned there Kris, especially Wild Geese. However, I don't think any of them were particularly successful at the BO (I could be wrong of course).
According to the IMDb, Wild Geese was the 13th biggest grossing film of its year worldwide. It probably would have gone even higher, but its American distributor went belly-up shortly before its release, meaning it only got a limited release in the US. It did well enough to spawn a (Peter Hunt-directed) sequel, though.
A shockingly bad sequel at that!

Haven't seen it, but you're far from the first person to tell me that.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:33 am

james stock wrote:I wish it could be at least a more traditional bond film, but alas it will probebly be a continuation of the non plot from casino royale.

Sexual discrimination i shall have to pay it a visit

How does this scenario grab you: Title of Bond 22..."Death To Spies".....Title sung by Amy Winehouse......plot:Bond out for revenge on the organization that tortured him and the man behind Vesper's treachery....conclusion: we find out that someone in the British government is actually behind the terrorist plots and is unknown at the end of the film......which further sets up the arc to conclude with Craig's trilogy.....

Post by **Kristatos** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:09 pm

bjmdds wrote:How does this scenario grab you: Title of Bond 22..."Death To Spies".....

Sounds a bit cheesy. No worse than "Die Another Day", though.

Post by **Skywalker** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:53 pm

bjmdds wrote:
james stock wrote:I wish it could be at least a more traditional bond film, but alas it will probebly be a continuation of the non plot from casino royale.

Sexual discrimination i shall have to pay it a visit
How does this scenario grab you: Title of Bond 22..."Death To Spies".....Title sung by Amy Winehouse......plot:Bond out for revenge on the organization that tortured him and the man behind Vesper's treachery....conclusion: we find out that someone in the British government is actually behind the terrorist plots and is unknown at the end of the film......which further sets up the arc to conclude with Craig's trilogy.....

Winehouse + Un-refined Bond + Dodgy title = *&$? film.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:33 pm

Could be just that Skywalker. Your DSL fixed?

Post by **Skywalker** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:24 pm

bjmdds wrote:Could be just that Skywalker. Your DSL fixed?

Yeah it's rapid. Gone are the days of broken connections.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:44 am

768 kbps or 3 MB?

james stock · Post by **james stock** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:22 am

i guess the film will be more of the same, i am not opposed to change in bringing Bond back down to earth after Die another Day but for me Royale was so radical and unbondlike i found it souless and unentertaining.

Sexual discrimination i shall have to pay it a visit

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:02 pm

james stock wrote:i guess the film will be more of the same, i am not opposed to change in bringing Bond back down to earth after Die another Day but for me Royale was so radical and unbondlike i found it souless and unentertaining.

Sexual discrimination i shall have to pay it a visit

Agree. This film, for me, will not be watched much once it is on regularly, as the other films are. I do not like the Bourne films, nor 24, and certainly not Craig's Bond;however, CR's acceptance has been cult like in nature.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:12 pm

bjmdds wrote:
james stock wrote:i guess the film will be more of the same, i am not opposed to change in bringing Bond back down to earth after Die another Day but for me Royale was so radical and unbondlike i found it souless and unentertaining.

Sexual discrimination i shall have to pay it a visit
Agree. This film, for me, will not be watched much once it is on regularly, as the other films are. I do not like the Bourne films, nor 24, and certainly not Craig's Bond;however, CR's acceptance has been cult like in nature.

Cult is usually associated with minority audience figures. I would hardly say the BO figures for CR were in the minority, bj.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:14 pm

But still cult-like nevertheless, aka, The Rocky Horror Picture Show....something RADICALLY new and RADICALLY different.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:41 pm

bjmdds wrote:But still cult-like nevertheless, aka, The Rocky Horror Picture Show....something RADICALLY new and RADICALLY different.

No sorry you got it wrong there, that's not how you define a cult movie.

CR was a mainstream success regardless of how different it was compared to earlier Bonds.

For example obscure 60s Eurospy movies with a small but very dedicated audience, is what you'd call cult in terms of cinema.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:58 am

To "Craig's cult" who still do not believe the Bourne films were the muse for Eon's CR: http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feat ... ature.html

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:47 am

bjmdds wrote:To "Craig's cult" who still do not believe the Bourne films were the muse for Eon's CR: http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feat ... ature.html

I've said it before and I'll go on saying it....

The Bourne films were more closer to Fleming in terms of gritty, realistic action set-pieces than the recent Brosnan films ever hoped to be. So this was a smart move to copy what was originally Fleming-like anyway, IMO.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:13 pm

The term cult is often misused.

Sometimes a new film gets labeled cult before it even premieres, just as a part of the advertising.

And also "cult following" and "cult movie" is not quite the same thing.

For example Star Wars movies have a huge cult following, but the films themselves are high-budget mainstream productions, not cult movies.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:30 pm

The Sweeney wrote: I've said it before and I'll go on saying it....

The Bourne films were more closer to Fleming in terms of gritty, realistic action set-pieces than the recent Brosnan films ever hoped to be. So this was a smart move to copy what was originally Fleming-like anyway, IMO.

I don't see much Fleming in the Bourne movies.

Fleming's novels were, just like the movie versions, also about fantastical plots, exotic locations, sexy women, supervillians, gadgets, and so on.

Bond himself was a little more realistic, he often got hurt, the violence was gritty, etc. But other than that I don't think Bond and Bourne have any similarities.

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:20 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:To "Craig's cult" who still do not believe the Bourne films were the muse for Eon's CR: http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feat ... ature.html
I've said it before and I'll go on saying it....

The Bourne films were more closer to Fleming in terms of gritty, realistic action set-pieces than the recent Brosnan films ever hoped to be. So this was a smart move to copy what was originally Fleming-like anyway, IMO.

So Eon went with the flow of the Bourne gritty style and took credit for it as a reboot of the franchise? How original!

Post by **bjmdds** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:22 pm

Count_Lippe wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: I've said it before and I'll go on saying it....

The Bourne films were more closer to Fleming in terms of gritty, realistic action set-pieces than the recent Brosnan films ever hoped to be. So this was a smart move to copy what was originally Fleming-like anyway, IMO.
I don't see much Fleming in the Bourne movies.

Fleming's novels were, just like the movie versions, also about fantastical plots, exotic locations, sexy women, supervillians, gadgets, and so on.

Bond himself was a little more realistic, he often got hurt, the violence was gritty, etc. But other than that I don't think Bond and Bourne have any similarities.

Count, Craig's Bond,not the prior 5 Bonds, IS similar in look and style to Jason Bourne. The storytlines ARE different but the overall 'tone' is quite similar, as the article above pointed out. It even stated Craig should thank Damon for his success.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:49 pm

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:To "Craig's cult" who still do not believe the Bourne films were the muse for Eon's CR: http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feat ... ature.html
I've said it before and I'll go on saying it....

The Bourne films were more closer to Fleming in terms of gritty, realistic action set-pieces than the recent Brosnan films ever hoped to be. So this was a smart move to copy what was originally Fleming-like anyway, IMO.
So Eon went with the flow of the Bourne gritty style and took credit for it as a reboot of the franchise? How original!

Nope. I agree. There was nothing original about the style of CR.

However, there was nothing remotely original about DAD either (or the previous Brosnan flicks).