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CaptainLewis wrote:The sales would probably be affected by the economic crisis. Who would pay £30 for a movie, when the main character has all the warmth and depth of a brick.
If a Bond film was made without Craig, I think I'd be willing to spend £2000 on the DVD! :wink:

P.s. katie: Nash has cleared off; so if you want to start an argument with him, instead of making some mildly cryptic comments, go to http://www.Mi6.co.uk :cheers:
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Cryptic?Hardly!I think people know who I am referring to, since the only person here who thinks *every* Bond fan should buy a copy of the QOS DVD is him.

And cleared off?according to his profile he's stopped by a few times. Just sayin'. :wink:
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katied wrote:Cryptic?Hardly!I think people know who I am referring to, since the only person here who thinks *every* Bond fan should buy a copy of the QOS DVD is him.

And cleared off?according to his profile he's stopped by a few times. Just sayin'. :wink:
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http://commanderbond.net/article/6086

Daniel Craig On Pushing James Bond Forward

Just as Quantum of Solace debuts on DVD and Blu-ray around the world, the Herald Sun has posted an extensive interview with Daniel Craig where he discusses exactly what went into making the 22nd James Bond adventure.

‘It’s Like A Whack In The Face’
‘Fast as hell,’ is Craig’s quick reply when asked to briefly sum up just what exactly Quantum of Solace is all about.

‘It’s like a whack in the face and I think that’s what we needed. It takes the story on, it deals with all the unfinished business from Casino Royale plus we’ve booted it up—the stunts look amazing, the locations look fantastic and there’s not a lot of time to breathe. Next time we’ll do something more lyrical,’ he adds with a laugh.

Compared to a bullet by director Marc Forster for its breathtaking pace and location hopping, the latest 007 film was all about retaining certain ‘Bondian’ traditions, but also pushing things forward. Describing the overall style of the film, Craig commented: ‘I think the language of film has changed and I think the audience perception has changed. Have you seen that terrific series Mad Men? It’s great and I look at that guy (Jon Hamm) and he’s got such a great look.

‘He’s a loose canon. In fact, [the film] could be called Closure because that’s what he’s looking for.’ -Daniel Craig

He continues: ‘If you doing the film of Sebastian Faulks’ Bond book (centenary novel Devil May Care) that look would be perfect. If you were doing a one off film I would say that’s the way you would go. But that’s not where we are. The intention was always to make more than one of these so we have to move it forward because in two years time when hopefully we’ll do another one, we’ll still be pushing it forward.’


Quantum of Solace
‘If we’d have gone for some cute idea of what it was in the past, some kind of retro thing, it just wouldn’t move it on. I think style is important and I hope that when people see what we’ve done with Quantum—by getting in a new director, a new costume designer, we’ve added something that was of the old movies, paid homage to that, but at the same time we’ve moved it along,’ he added.

‘There are big sets, big wide camera angles, big shots, and it’s kind of that more old fashioned way of doing it. But it’s not looking back, it’s the modern way of doing it but at the same time, knowing itself. But if it becomes too self-knowing it becomes a piss take of itself. And we have to be careful about never doing that.’

Escaping With James Bond
Even though the ever-popular James Bond film series is approaching its 50th anniversary, Craig maintains that there are several ingredients integral to making the modern Bond films successful.

‘I think they have to have what they’ve always had—and that is a very strong central figure,’ he said. ‘That’s an obvious thing to say and I also think that they have to take you somewhere else, to transport the audience. I maintain that.’

‘I was thinking about this earlier and what defined those early movies was the fact that they went on location as much as they did. They maybe faked a few places—as we still do and we have to—but those early ones they went to some incredible places. I can’t remember which one it is, but on one of those early ones they went to Tokyo. Imagine getting a film crew to Tokyo!’

‘We all talked about what we remembered from the earlier Bond films and that’s what stayed with us—the fact that you were transported to somewhere you wouldn’t normally see.’ -Daniel Craig


‘I mean, it’s hard enough now but doing it back then and the locations were so important—you looked at the film and you thought “he’s there, that’s Tokyo, that’s the Rio carnival…” those were the things that really defined Bond.’

‘I remember being a kid and looking at the films and going “that’s why I want to be James Bond”—plus the girls and the cars, of course.’

Craig On 007

Daniel Craig is James Bond
When asked what specifically was appealing about the James Bond character, Craig cited the fact that ‘he’s this apolitical civil servant who knows exactly what he is doing and is very good at his job. Within our political system we potentially have this organisation, the civil service, where you hope that there are good people making decisions for us, the people.’

‘Even though Fleming was an aspiring upper class person, he invented this man for everybody—and I think Sean [Connery] playing him on screen added to that. Somewhere inside Bond he believes he is doing the right thing even though he kills people all the time! But I love that element about him—that somewhere inside him he knows what is morally right.’
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James wrote: I can’t remember which one it is, but on one of those early ones they went to Tokyo.
Spoken like a true Bond fan :roll:
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The guy is clueless and by what he stated, he has NO idea what the people expect of Bond, which is certainly not his interpretation of it. Enough. :evil:
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You can keep saying `Enough' and `End this charade now' until you are blue in the face, BJ, but Craig will be Bond for the next film....and most likely the one after that too.

I just hope Bond 23 will be a darn sight better than QoS.
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The Sweeney wrote:You can keep saying `Enough' and `End this charade now' until you are blue in the face, BJ, but Craig will be Bond for the next film....and most likely the one after that too.
And you can keep saying that until you're blue in the face, but BJ is still going to predict Craig's imminent replacement with Hugh Jackman every hour on the hour until Jackman's 80th birthday (and maybe longer).
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Not particluarly on board with Jackman..otherwise,I'm afraid of what EON might come up with for a replacement for Craig :twisted:
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The Sweeney wrote:You can keep saying `Enough' and `End this charade now' until you are blue in the face, BJ, but Craig will be Bond for the next film....and most likely the one after that too.

I just hope Bond 23 will be a darn sight better than QoS.
The reboot has burnt itself out. I don't see where Craig can go from here. Craig can't be Bond, He can't make normal Bond movies. The only way Bond movies can be made with him is to make them radically different. But everyone is fed up up with Craig's films where the formula is changed just for the sake of it.

I'm still hoping he will leave before the next Bond movie starts production.
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Roger Devereau wrote: The reboot has burnt itself out. I don't see where Craig can go from here. Craig can't be Bond, He can't make normal Bond movies. The only way Bond movies can be made with him is to make them radically different. But everyone is fed up up with Craig's films where the formula is changed just for the sake of it.
When you say `everyone', who are you referring to? The members on here? Hate to tell you this, but on Bond fan forums, you guys are in the minority. MI6 and Cbn still have the majority loving the new Bond. If however, you are referring to the negative reviews, there are just as many positive reviews out there as there are negative, which admittedly is different to the overwhelming positive reception we saw from CR. Also, many of the negative reviews on QoS still manage to praise CR and Craig....its just QoS the film they cannot stand.

Besides which, QoS has not received more negative reviews than anything released during Brozza's era either. You guys are jumping on the negative bandwagon now only because CR set a new benchmark in positive acclaim, and now QoS has dropped back to the lukewarm, mixed bag reception that Bond films typically receive, you think everyone suddenly wants to ditch Craig.
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I can remember the broad reception for each Bond since Timothy Dalton had the role and I honestly can't remember the critics going after one of the films in the manner they did with QoS.
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When you say `everyone', who are you referring to? The members on here? Hate to tell you this, but on Bond fan forums, you guys are in the minority. MI6 and Cbn still have the majority loving the new Bond.
I'd say dissent is tolerated a lot more at Commander Bond than it is at MI6. :? :?
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Terry wrote:I can remember the broad reception for each Bond since Timothy Dalton had the role and I honestly can't remember the critics going after one of the films in the manner they did with QoS.
Really? Maybe you have a selective, short memory for the Brozza films then. Or maybe you have only seen the negative reviews that have been posted on here, and not seen any positive ones elsewhere. Or maybe the critics came down harder on QoS because CR set a whole new standard, a new benchmark for Bond films to be judged against, and QoS fell short of the mark.

QoS is still deemed a success. If Bond 23 gets slated by critics, coming in at around 30% on RT, and makes significantly less at the BO than CR and QoS, then maybe Craig may leave after a third outing, but even then I seriously doubt it.

On Rotten Tomatoes, the ratings were as follows -

GE 80%
TND 55%
TWINE 52%
DAD 59%
CR 94%
QoS 65%

It's no suprise that QoS was higher than 3 of Brozza's flicks, and CR tops them all with a massive 94%. You can try and spin this any way you want, but Craig is more popular with the critics, and at the BO than Brozza was overall - and only after 2 films.
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The Sweeney wrote:You can keep saying `Enough' and `End this charade now' until you are blue in the face, BJ, but Craig will be Bond for the next film....and most likely the one after that too.

I just hope Bond 23 will be a darn sight better than QoS.
The reboot has burnt itself out. I don't see where Craig can go from here. Craig can't be Bond, He can't make normal Bond movies. The only way Bond movies can be made with him is to make them radically different. But everyone is fed up up with Craig's films where the formula is changed just for the sake of it.

I'm still hoping he will leave before the next Bond movie starts production.

The Bourne thing hasn't helped either. There's a strong sense that Eon are playing second fiddle to another spy series now. I still think Craig will pull the plug himself before too long. I doubt that he wants to fritter his forties away making terrible films with Eon.
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d**n right they're playing second fiddle to Bourne...and they don't care :roll:
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I just watched QoS again on DVD, and I was bored with it after 5 minutes. Utter crap!!!! :evil: :evil:

How can EON go from making the best Bond movie ever in CR, to one of the crappest. The two films are poles apart, and QoS deserves every bit of slating it gets!!! If Bond 23 is anything like QoS, then I fear the Bond franchise is over....well over for EON anyway!!

And you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this. Him and Dench are the only decent things in QoS.

Tossers!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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The Sweeney wrote:IAnd you can forget pointing the finger at Craig to blame for all this.
Depends if IMDb is telling the truth when they say that hiring Forster was his idea. If it was, then he is indirectly to blame, even though I think Forster deserves the brunt of the criticism.
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Sweeney, QOS comes out on DVD in the States tomorrow and we've been bombarded with ads on TV.Pretty "meh" IMO(I got deja vu from the ads for the CR DVD quite frankly..."cliche ridden" doesn't even begin to cover it.)
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Two years ago, on March 20,2007 I came to this forum and started this thread and to my delight, it has become a haven for those pro and con in regards to Eon's new creation. With over 190,000 views it is obvious that this website DOES count and DOES matter, and that was the whole point of our counter movement. Craig was, is, and will be the stimulus for our debates until that WELCOMED moment whe Broccoli gives Craig his "Brosnan dismissal" on the telephone. All in all, I have seen nice, cordial, and mostly friendly debate, which is a far contrast from other sites. Rest assured, our work and discussions will not be done until Craig has been vanquished from the role of James Bond and a suitable replacement debate ensues here. :cheers:
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