Trailer is released!!!!!

[The Sweeney]

IF you believe it is a sure thing you are in a fantasy.

The same could be said for you.

Last time there was a Indy film and a Bond film out what happened?

Bond wasn't as popular back then as he is now.

"the nightmare Brozza years" now I know you're full of ...it. Er, in denial.

Denial? What, because I hated Brozza's films. Are you for real....

Let me put it like this if you thought Brozza was bad then you must have thought Connery , Moore, Dalton, and Lazenby were complete jerkoffs. All of them did the same thing and all of them featured innovative cutting edge technology and themes and yes action. Brozza compared to the others except for a few of the early Connerys was more refined and controlled. Better finished production values.
I'm not going to be a complete ass an assume to know what you think, however if Brozza bothered you so then you couldn't have been a fan of much of the series.

I love Dr. No, FRWL, GF, OHMSS, LTK, CR. I hate most of Moore's films, and I despise all of Brozza's flicks, but I LOVE the Fleming books. Go figure.

What it seem to be coming down to is we got Bourne/Matt Helm fans polluting the Bond pool, condemning what worked and was right for over 50 years, praising the desecration of the standard, and attacking the tried and true fans of the books and the movies.

I'm a true fan, and I like it. So do the majority of die hard Bond fans on other Bond websites. Go figure....

[The Sweeney]

Attacking past actors are attempt to bully anyone who disagrees with Craig. Repeated over and over again. Here comes stocks, and here comes his Brosnan is s**t post and Craig is great talking point.
The strategy/intention behind the whole talking point/attack is the assertion that Brosanan ,Moore, Dalton, Lazenby, and even Connery are inferior or inappropriate to the role, series, what Fleming wrote and Craig is the one and only to realize the true Bond. And that I do take issue with.

I'm not going to assume to know what your thoughts are or what you enjoy.
But I do recognize the pattern of attack and tactics used originally conceived of with an eye towards marketing.

Who knows you may even enjoy Brozza and warm bowl of popcorn but feel you have to say he sucks here becasue you're at this site.
Who knows I might have even enjoyed parts of Craig performance in CR. Not too damned likely but possible none the less.

So I am in denial because I don't like Brozza? Is that right? In that case, are you in denial because you don't like Craig? It has to be the most stupidest statement I have ever read.....

I always wanted Bond to be more like he is in the books, serious, gritty, bloodied after battle, no gadgets, no humour, etc. I can count on one hand how many times I have seen that being captured on film. FRWL, OHMSS, LTK and now CR. When Bourne came out, I immediately thought that was closer to the Bond novels than abysmal crap like DAD. I hated EON for what they did to Bond when Brozza came in, but now they are back on track. If they have been influenced by Bourne, I couldn't care less. At least I get a Bond that I envisaged when I read the novels.

And whether you think I'm saying this to be a smartass, trying to be cool now saying I love Craig, when secretly I love Brozza too, or whether you think I'm attacking you merely because you don't like Craig......I couldn't really give a toss. Your tone and contempt to attempt to listen to my point of view, and your stating in absolute fact that QOS will definitely fail at the BO, means you are not one of the decent members on here who I can have a serious debate with.

BTW, If QOS is a massive success, will you have the balls to show up here again and admit you were completely wrong...? I will, if QOS is a complete failure, but will you?

[Captain Nash]

Very predictable poll results there I see.
But as this is the site for opposing DC I'm not surprised. Each to his (or her) own and all that.
I still think the teaser trailer is a very good one. Afterall it is the teaser trailer. It's alot longer than most teasers, and it gives us a look at alot of the action scenes. I'm willing to bet that for the theatrical trailer more of the villains and maybe even the plot are shown.
As it stands I'm a happy camper, but you all knew I would be. What can I say. I like Daniel Craig as James Bond. I liked Timothy Daltons short reign, I liked George Lazenby, and wished he'd made more. I loved Sean Connery and well who wouldn't? I even enjoyed and liked Pierce Brosnan in TND and TWINE, even GE has its moments. But it was Roger Moore who started my interest in Bond. I can understand why alot of fans don't like Moores style, but we all had to start somewhere. Imagine the lucky buggers that get to begin there love of Bond with films like CR and QOS. Brosnan and Moore will be screwed.

[Jermaine76]

IF you believe it is a sure thing you are in a fantasy. Last time there was a Indy film and a Bond film out what happened?
If SAG strikes who knows what the finished product will be. Don't count the eggs before they are hatched and Don't be an ass assuming that people who don't agree with are delusional.
Look at Prince Caspian. That was a big sequel a guaranteed success. Right? It certainly is a bigger name and bigger draw then Quark, Quantum, whatever.

"the nightmare Brozza years" now I know you're full of ...it. Er, in denial.
Let me put it like this if you thought Brozza was bad then you must have thought Connery , Moore, Dalton, and Lazenby were complete jerkoffs. All of them did the same thing and all of them featured innovative cutting edge technology and themes and yes action. Brozza compared to the others except for a few of the early Connerys was more refined and controlled. Better finished production values.
I'm not going to be a complete ass an assume to know what you think, however if Brozza bothered you so then you couldn't have been a fan of much of the series.
What it seem to be coming down to is we got Bourne/Matt Helm fans polluting the Bond pool, condemning what worked and was right for over 50 years, praising the desecration of the standard, and attacking the tried and true fans of the books and the movies.

Now that was hardcore...but AN OPINION.

Just thought I'd take the liberty of editing your post slightly. Hope you don't mind....

Looks like I don't have a choice, do I?

[The Sweeney]

Looks like I don't have a choice, do I?

No worries, Jermaine. At least you have a sense of humour too...

[Gary Seven]

I am appalled at the new Bond imagery. Craig with a machine gun is far away from Connery et al.

The imagery of Craig's bond is more akin to Chuck Norris in Missing In Action than Sean Connery in Goldfinger.

[katied]

I am appalled at the new Bond imagery. Craig with a machine gun is far away from Connery et al.

The imagery of Craig's bond is more akin to Chuck Norris in Missing In Action than Sean Connery in Goldfinger.

^what he said.And I'll reiterate when I said elsewhere.Big gun...is he making up for a lack of a certain something?

[stockslivevan]

I think the big gun is just a symbol of picking up where CR left off. Where else do we see Craig with that gun other than when he was walking up? Besides, it's not like none of Craig's predecessors ever totted an AK-47.

[Dr. No]

I am appalled at the new Bond imagery. Craig with a machine gun is far away from Connery et al.

The imagery of Craig's bond is more akin to Chuck Norris in Missing In Action than Sean Connery in Goldfinger.

That’s exactly what I though when I saw the leaked pics from CR. A Godfather Goodfellas extra.

I just had the time to set down and watch the trailer. I’m not impressed. I don't know what I had hopes for but this didn't draw me in. I'm not going to be going the movies to see this. I might rent it. Maybe. Part of my hesitation is the depressing feeling CR left us with. Nothing to do with the actor (this time) but the tone and feel of the movie was depressing. When we left it hung over us like a cloud.
There will be enough ne wmoives out this year that we won't feel the lack of viable choices roping us in to this movie like what happened in 2006 for CR.

[Kristatos]

I just had the time to set down and watch the trailer. I’m not impressed. I don't know what I had hopes for but this didn't draw me in. I'm not going to be going the movies to see this. I might rent it. Maybe. Part of my hesitation is the depressing feeling CR left us with. Nothing to do with the actor (this time) but the tone and feel of the movie was depressing. When we left it hung over us like a cloud.
There will be enough new movies out this year that we won't feel the lack of viable choices roping us in to this movie like what happened in 2006 for CR.

Yeah, I'll probably end up going to see Potter rather than Bond. I may see both, depending on what my finances are like at the time. I'm genuinely conflicted about this. On the one hand, I've seen every Bond film since Moonraker in the cinema and sheer force of habit may draw me in. The thought of missing one makes me feel like Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man when Wheel of Fortune is on ("uh-oh"). Plus, you'll all be talking about it on here and if I haven't seen it, I'll feel out of the loop. On the other hand, I was seriously disappointed in CR and the trailer for QOS promises more of the same.

[FormerBondFan]

Yeah, I'll probably end up going to see Potter rather than Bond.

Same here.

[The Sweeney]

Yeah, I'll probably end up going to see Potter rather than Bond.

Same here.

Jesus! Even when I hated the Brozza years, I still always went to see his next film, in the hope that it would be better than the last one.

Why? I'm a hardcore Bond fan I guess...

[English Agent]

Yeah, I'll probably end up going to see Potter rather than Bond.

Same here.

Don't be silly guys................you wouldn't be Bond fans if you weren't prepared to see a Bond film.........
why post here if not.........surely you can stump up a few quid (dollars) for your film obsession.

AB is not amused

[Kristatos]

Jesus! Even when I hated the Brozza years, I still always went to see his next film, in the hope that it would be better than the last one.

Why? I'm a hardcore Bond fan I guess...

Me too, that's why I'm conflicted. If I wasn't so emotionally invested in the series, it would be a no-brainer. The difference is that when previous Bond actors made a dud, they weren't held up as a bold new direction for the series, and EON didn't go to great lengths to tell us that this is what all Bond films were going to be like from now on. So there was rather more reason to hope that the next one would be better. If DAD had been a huge critical success and Brosnan had made a 5th film with a trailer that promised even more outlandish gadgets, more stunt casting (the Madonna cameo) and more inane comedy, are you telling me you wouldn't have thought twice about seeing it?

[The Sweeney]

Jesus! Even when I hated the Brozza years, I still always went to see his next film, in the hope that it would be better than the last one.

Why? I'm a hardcore Bond fan I guess...

Me too, that's why I'm conflicted. If I wasn't so emotionally invested in the series, it would be a no-brainer. The difference is that when previous Bond actors made a dud, they weren't held up as a bold new direction for the series, and EON didn't go to great lengths to tell us that this is what all Bond films were going to be like from now on. So there was rather more reason to hope that the next one would be better. If DAD had been a huge critical success and Brosnan had made a 5th film with a trailer that promised even more outlandish gadgets, more stunt casting (the Madonna cameo) and more inane comedy, are you telling me you wouldn't have thought twice about seeing it?

Good point Kris, and maybe I wouldn't.

But are you telling me you can judge exactly how QOS will be because of a 2 minute trailer? I doubt I would be able to tell another Brozza dud from a trailer alone, as the action is always condensed and chopped to the limit. The only thing putting me off a movie would be reviews, not trailers.

Reading this article, aren't you even a little bit curious to see if Forester has pulled this off (Bond doing detective work, Hitchcock suspense, influences from Young, etc.) http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=42389

[The Sweeney]

Yeah, I'll probably end up going to see Potter rather than Bond.

Same here.

Don't be silly guys................you wouldn't be Bond fans if you weren't prepared to see a Bond film.........
why post here if not.........surely you can stump up a few quid (dollars) for your film obsession.

AB is not amused

Take it with a pinch of salt, AB. Come November pretty much everyone on here will go and see it.....I guarantee it!

[stockslivevan]

Reading this article, aren't you even a little bit curious to see if Forester has pulled this off (Bond doing detective work, Hitchcock suspense, influences from Young, etc.) http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=42389

It seems the producers are selling it as an action film (like they did with CR) while the director is saying otherwise. Who's right? Maybe the director, since the producers are just doing their job: selling tickets. Who knows. I can't wait to see the final product to see what is really going on.

[Captain Nash]

Well Bond has always been primarily an action adventure film. They've gone in different directions of course over the years, with different directors helming the films (under the watchful eyes of EON) and lead actors in the role of James Bond.
If you look at the trailers for any of the other Bond films in the series, you'll find they're all fairly similar. Usually alot of action, some dialogue, and lots of Bond.
I don't see anything in the teaser for QOS to get concerned about. Forsters take on Bond will be revealed in november.
Could we really say that DAD would turn out the way it did on the evidence of its teaser trailer?

[Mazer Rackham]

So when it gets down to what you're say, when I say Brosnan sucks then it's somehow impossible for me to like Connery, Dalton or anything else pre-CR?

So when it gets down to what you're saying, when I say Craig sucks and CR is a lame movie then it's somehow impossible for me to be a life long Bond fanatic?

I never said that it was impossible to not like Craig and still like the rest of the actors, but I think the notion of liking all actors being an impossibility is 100% BS.

I'm not attacking all the actors to help Craig unless we're on a discussion of comparisons. I think Connery and Dalton are superior to Craig. Maybe Craig can take the #2 spot after QOS, we'll see on November. I'm not into Moore and Brosnan's take because for me they simply lack make a believable James Bond. I'm just not into their Saturday morning cartoon interpretation. As for Lazenby, I admire him for trying, but I can't say he made a good lead actor.

Lazenby tried in the end he didn't really want it. I don't think he could be bothered to put more in the role if he had come back for DAF.

Liking all the actors isn't a likely happenstance. I never required that it should be.
If someone enjoyed Connery's Bond they likely enjoyed the others becasue the character was essentially the same. That can't be said of Craig's attempt.
For most people Brosnan came the closest to the sweetspot since Connery. Doesn't mean they didn't enjoy Moore & Dalton it is just a preference. Falling within that preference is the one thing that always guaranteed enjoyable movies the character that was Bond and the familiar structure that helped to hold it up his wold up. That has been gutted and left out. Fans who like any of the 20 movies are right to feel the Direction mutated to accommodate Craig is wrong.

Your reason for the talking points you espouse are your own, but the origination of it all is a spinmasters wetdream. Destroying the series to justify the rebooting and abandonment of all that is Bond becasue of this and that. Whatever flimsy excuse that makes itself handy, for instance blaming Brozza.
You often like to bash Brozzza when it wasn't even the topic. As do a few of the other loyal mind numbed yesbots. Like clockwork. Often it's done to try to get the goat of Brozza fans doesn't seem to bother some of the yesbots that they come off as toadies.

Claiming that Craig's Bond series is what Bond is supposed to be is a problem because it isn't what it was for 50 years. It's fans of different spy series cheering what the absorption of Bond in to a generic bland spy film noir.

[Mazer Rackham]

I made this argument a year ago when I first joined this site. I believe I used a "mediocre QB playing on a run-first oriented football team" analogy. To me, it felt like they were trying to find someone who was cheap and available to play Bond. I also felt that they probably were told no a few times by potential actors. I've heard Hugh Jackman was interested but wanted to take a look at the script....of course that didn't happen. Clive Owen said no....Ewan McGregor just got out of a contract with Star Wars and wasn't trying to be tied down with another multiple film commitment. Just like you, I felt that they dumbed down Bond to suit Craig.

I guess it is true what they say about great minds