The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[stockslivevan]

Blasphemy! Bond would never do that! The real James Bond would show some real class by running around to find a doorway, open the door, then properly close it, he wouldn't damage someone's property by breaking through a paper wall, even if the owner was dead! EON has ruined the character the world has loved so much all these five years, shame on them!

Even in 2006, breaking through a thin wall to catch a baddie isn't normally something to bitch about. Bond broke through a wall because there was no time for being fancy or doing little tricks like that bomber fool, that was the whole point. Where the bomber could have simply broke through the wall, he wasted his energy doing unnecessary tricks. Also when the bomber is climbing on wires, Bond simply puts down a lever to rise up toward him without having to do anything fancy.

[bjmdds]

Blasphemy! Bond would never do that! The real James Bond would show some real class by running around to find a doorway, open the door, then properly close it, he wouldn't damage someone's property by breaking through a paper wall, even if the owner was dead! EON has ruined the character the world has loved so much all these five years, shame on them!

Even in 2006, breaking through a thin wall to catch a baddie isn't normally something to bitch about. Bond broke through a wall because there was no time for being fancy or doing little tricks like that bomber fool, that was the whole point. Where the bomber could have simply broke through the wall, he wasted his energy doing unnecessary tricks. Also when the bomber is climbing on wires, Bond simply puts down a lever to rise up toward him without having to do anything fancy.

Try not to quote me, especially incorrectly.So now Bond crashing through a sheetrock wall, Bond catching a small gun thrown at him at close range with ONE hand and throwing it right back at the runner high on a scaffold, Bond almost dying from poison and shocking his heart back to life then returning to play cards in 5 minutes,Bond getting his pubic area battered, then being seen with Vesper Lynd sitting on his lap,are all believable and gritty? Who was it who said DAD was OTT?

[bjmdds]

So he did.
And it happened, so what are you going to do now? Write a stern letter to Eon?
Boycott Bond 22 with all your might? Is not just possible to live with it and carry on?

If Brosnan's Bond had done this, ala his windsurfing fiasco in DAD that so many continue to mention, we would not hear the end of it. Brosnan being tortured at the beginning of DAD,for example, was as gritty as Eon can get,even more so than Craig drowning his victim in a toilet sink, but no credit is given for this.

[stockslivevan]

Try not to quote me, especially incorrectly.

I wasn't. I was quoting your 1967 counterpart.

So now Bond crashing through a sheetrock wall, Bond catching a small gun thrown at him at close range with ONE hand and throwing it right back at the runner high on a scaffold, Bond almost dying from poison and shocking his heart back to life then returning to play cards in 5 minutes,Bond getting his pubic area battered, then being seen with Vesper Lynd sitting on his lap,are all believable and gritty? Who was it who said DAD was OTT?

You bring all that up then try to make DAD seem more realistic? Hurray for putting things out of context!

How about the defibrulator? The complaint is that it's too convenient and not realistic that Bond could have his heart restarted then return to the game.

...When in the previous film Bond stopped his own heart, was revived with a defibrulator, used it to overpower the staff, then jumped overboard and swam across Hong Kong harbor to his favorite 5-star hotel.

Yeah, thanks for putting bringing us the proper perspective!

[paco chaos]

actually I believe the point being made is that Casino Royale was supposed to be a more realistic, human Bond, yet there are many OTT scenes, that betray this idea. that's not to say that DAD was less OTT.

[Skywalker]

actually I believe the point being made is that Casino Royale was supposed to be a more realistic, human Bond, yet there are many OTT scenes, that betray this idea. that's not to say that DAD was less OTT.

Stock and Sweeney have tunnel vision when it comes to CR and Craig. You do know that these ladies never criticise Daniel 'Rambo' Craig, even if they secretly want to.

[bjmdds]

Try not to quote me, especially incorrectly.

I wasn't. I was quoting your 1967 counterpart.

So now Bond crashing through a sheetrock wall, Bond catching a small gun thrown at him at close range with ONE hand and throwing it right back at the runner high on a scaffold, Bond almost dying from poison and shocking his heart back to life then returning to play cards in 5 minutes,Bond getting his pubic area battered, then being seen with Vesper Lynd sitting on his lap,are all believable and gritty? Who was it who said DAD was OTT?

You bring all that up then try to make DAD seem more realistic? Hurray for putting things out of context!

How about the defibrulator? The complaint is that it's too convenient and not realistic that Bond could have his heart restarted then return to the game.

...When in the previous film Bond stopped his own heart, was revived with a defibrulator, used it to overpower the staff, then jumped overboard and swam across Hong Kong harbor to his favorite 5-star hotel.

Yeah, thanks for putting bringing us the proper perspective!

My 1967 counterpart? This is not Back To The Future, is it? I have NO problem with OTT plots at all. Those who praise Craig's Bond as gritty fail to recognize he is not so different from previous Bonds in action sequences. Do not debase DAD or any other Bond film as OTT, when CR was just as unbelievable.

[bjmdds]

actually I believe the point being made is that Casino Royale was supposed to be a more realistic, human Bond, yet there are many OTT scenes, that betray this idea. that's not to say that DAD was less OTT.

He knew exactly what I meant Paco, and you understood the subliminal implication.

[Skywalker]

Yeah, thanks for putting bringing us the proper perspective. My 1967 counterpart? This is not Back To The Future, is it? I have NO problem with OTT plots at all. Those who praise Craig's Bond as gritty fail to recognize he is not so different from previous Bonds, EXCEPT for his look. Do not debase DAD or any other Bond film as OTT, when CR was just as unbelievable.

All the other Bond actors have has gritty moments and OTT scenes. The difference, is that the other actors were Bond and Craig wasn't abeit for 7 mins.

[bjmdds]

Yeah, thanks for putting bringing us the proper perspective. My 1967 counterpart? This is not Back To The Future, is it? I have NO problem with OTT plots at all. Those who praise Craig's Bond as gritty fail to recognize he is not so different from previous Bonds, EXCEPT for his look. Do not debase DAD or any other Bond film as OTT, when CR was just as unbelievable.

All the other Bond actors have has gritty moments and OTT scenes. The difference, is that the other actors were Bond and Craig wasn't abeit for 7 mins.

7 minutes of Craig as Bond..... CR is a 140 minute film......that is a 5% return on our emotional investment in a Bond film.....

[Skywalker]

Yeah, thanks for putting bringing us the proper perspective. My 1967 counterpart? This is not Back To The Future, is it? I have NO problem with OTT plots at all. Those who praise Craig's Bond as gritty fail to recognize he is not so different from previous Bonds, EXCEPT for his look. Do not debase DAD or any other Bond film as OTT, when CR was just as unbelievable.

All the other Bond actors have has gritty moments and OTT scenes. The difference, is that the other actors were Bond and Craig wasn't abeit for 7 mins.

7 minutes of Craig as Bond..... CR is a 140 minute film......that is a 5% return on our emotional investment in a Bond film.....

Let's hope it's a higher % in Bond 22 or I'll suffer potentially another 133 minutes of torture. (Yes Craig - Your torture scene was torture for me too)

[Captain Nash]

I'm sure Eon and Sony sympathises with you.

[bjmdds]

Yeah, thanks for putting bringing us the proper perspective. My 1967 counterpart? This is not Back To The Future, is it? I have NO problem with OTT plots at all. Those who praise Craig's Bond as gritty fail to recognize he is not so different from previous Bonds, EXCEPT for his look. Do not debase DAD or any other Bond film as OTT, when CR was just as unbelievable.

All the other Bond actors have has gritty moments and OTT scenes. The difference, is that the other actors were Bond and Craig wasn't abeit for 7 mins.

7 minutes of Craig as Bond..... CR is a 140 minute film......that is a 5% return on our emotional investment in a Bond film.....

Let's hope it's a higher % in Bond 22 or I'll suffer potentially another 133 minutes of torture. (Yes Craig - Your torture scene was torture for me too)

Look for less Craig time in Bond 22. It will probably be a shorter film, time wise. It will be interesting to see the opening scene in Bond 22 before the theme song. Will it pick up right where CR left off, as part of the Craig trilogy arc?

[bjmdds]

I'm sure Eon and Sony sympathises with you.

Nash, point blank, what is so fascinating to you about Craig's performance in CR?

[Captain Nash]

I liked the way he made the character his own, and didn't try to copy one of the other actors. I thought he had a real screen presence, and although he's blond it never bothered me. He has the charm and the humour, though he plays it differently. He made Bond more human to me. The shower scene was a scene that stood out to me. He was James Bond to me... not a better James Bond. But still OO7. When he was cast I had my reservations...could he pull it off. Then when the so called boycott started and made a mockery of all Bond fans ( ) I thought let's give the guy a chance. How can you give an opinion to an actor before you've seen the finished product? And when I did, I thought he'd done it...and done it well. He's given the best Bond performance so far as I'm concerned of the last twenty years. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed the Bond films for that long, I like Brosnan, but not DAD, can't stand it...though on a recent viewing I enjoyed it slightly more than usual. But as I've said in another post. Bond is such a diverse character, novels films, six different actors. They're will never be a perfect Bond, but try and give each one a fair go. That's what I've done with Daniel Craig.

[bjmdds]

I liked the way he made the character his own, and didn't try to copy one of the other actors. I thought he had a real screen presence, and although he's blond it never bothered me. He has the charm and the humour, though he plays it differently. He made Bond more human to me. The shower scene was a scene that stood out to me. He was James Bond to me... not a better James Bond. But still OO7. When he was cast I had my reservations...could he pull it off. Then when the so called boycott started and made a mockery of all Bond fans ( ) I thought let's give the guy a chance. How can you give an opinion to an actor before you've seen the finished product? And when I did, I thought he'd done it...and done it well. He's given the best Bond performance so far as I'm concerned of the last twenty years. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed the Bond films for that long, I like Brosnan, but not DAD, can't stand it...though on a recent viewing I enjoyed it slightly more than usual. But as I've said in another post. Bond is such a diverse character, novels films, six different actors. They're will never be a perfect Bond, but try and give each one a fair go. That's what I've done with Daniel Craig.

Charm;humour;screen presence;shower scene a standout;Nash, I guess that it what makes for varying degrees of perception. I saw NO charm exuded by Craig's Bond, NO humour, for Craig lacks the ability to be funny, NO screen presence, and a rather uncomfortable look in a tuxedo, and I do not define a Bond film by a 'standout' shower scene. He did not copy any of the prior Bonds but you sure can see similarities with Damon and Sutherland. To me, a Bond film is all about the fantasy world of espionage, tracking down villains, extraordinary devices to keep Bond alive, beautiful women(not Green and too little Murino), saving the world, interesting plots, and a handsome, suave, licensed to kill spy, named James Bond. You have your views, and they are what validated CR to you. I just have such an anthetical view of what I expect from a Bond film. CR did entice the masses, along with you, and the Sweeney, and the rest of your crowd here. Let us see how long it will last.

[stockslivevan]

actually I believe the point being made is that Casino Royale was supposed to be a more realistic, human Bond, yet there are many OTT scenes, that betray this idea. that's not to say that DAD was less OTT.

You lost the point. It was never meant to be 100% realistic like Tom Clancy, it was still James Bond OTT but was more grounded at the appropriate level than the usual Brosnan fare, esspecially DAD. What's better? Fighting on cranes or dodging 6 laser beams shooting everywhere? I'm glad they still have the fantasy elements but made it more grounded so it wouldn't seem as rediculous as a sequence with helicopters with buzzsaws.

[Captain Nash]

I liked the way he made the character his own, and didn't try to copy one of the other actors. I thought he had a real screen presence, and although he's blond it never bothered me. He has the charm and the humour, though he plays it differently. He made Bond more human to me. The shower scene was a scene that stood out to me. He was James Bond to me... not a better James Bond. But still OO7. When he was cast I had my reservations...could he pull it off. Then when the so called boycott started and made a mockery of all Bond fans ( ) I thought let's give the guy a chance. How can you give an opinion to an actor before you've seen the finished product? And when I did, I thought he'd done it...and done it well. He's given the best Bond performance so far as I'm concerned of the last twenty years. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed the Bond films for that long, I like Brosnan, but not DAD, can't stand it...though on a recent viewing I enjoyed it slightly more than usual. But as I've said in another post. Bond is such a diverse character, novels films, six different actors. They're will never be a perfect Bond, but try and give each one a fair go. That's what I've done with Daniel Craig.

Charm;humour;screen presence;shower scene a standout;Nash, I guess that it what makes for varying degrees of perception. I saw NO charm exuded by Craig's Bond, NO humour, for Craig lacks the ability to be funny, NO screen presence, and a rather uncomfortable look in a tuxedo, and I do not define a Bond film by a 'standout' shower scene. He did not copy any of the prior Bonds but you sure can see similarities with Damon and Sutherland. To me, a Bond film is all about the fantasy world of espionage, tracking down villains, extraordinary devices to keep Bond alive, beautiful women(not Green and too little Murino), saving the world, interesting plots, and a handsome, suave, licensed to kill spy, named James Bond. You have your views, and they are what validated CR to you. I just have such an anthetical view of what I expect from a Bond film. CR did entice the masses, along with you, and the Sweeney, and the rest of your crowd here. Let us see how long it will last.

I didn't say the shower seen was a standout, merely used it as an example of why it made Craig more of a human Bond with real emotions. Your continual comparrison to Bourne and Bauer suggests to me that you're not a true fan of the Bond films. Or Bond in general. You seem to know nothing of the character and the way I see it understand Bond only from your many viewings of the Brosnan films. You hide yourself in the comfort zone of your own little thread that got locked on other forums because it became a waste of time. Your opinions matters not to me, I just like proving you wrong again and again.

[Skywalker]

I'm sure Eon and Sony sympathises with you.

I need no sympathy, just a forum like this to release my anger and frustration.

[Captain Nash]

I'm sure Eon and Sony sympathises with you.

I need no sympathy, just a forum like this to release my anger and frustration.

Hey that's why I come here too. Thank the maker for this site.