The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Blowfeld]

If men in Bond films were named like the women: http://www.buzzfeed.com/danieldalton/ed ... .xvKmWEaKq

The Odd Job variation has been in uses for decades

[dirtybenny]

To answer English Agent's question regarding Blofeld and Spectre's origins in Fleming's work, its all spelled out in the novel Thunderball. Ironically Blofeld is probably the one character who Fleming tells us the most about, giving us his background, how and why he created Spectre, even going so far as to tell us his birthday, month, date, and year. (Which by the way were Fleming's own) So for EON to concoct this farce creating BROfled, then hiding behind "Fleming's Bond" is pathetic.

[carl stromberg]

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[English Agent]

To answer English Agent's question regarding Blofeld and Spectre's origins in Fleming's work, its all spelled out in the novel Thunderball. Ironically Blofeld is probably the one character who Fleming tells us the most about, giving us his background, how and why he created Spectre, even going so far as to tell us his birthday, month, date, and year. (Which by the way were Fleming's own) So for EON to concoct this farce creating BROfled, then hiding behind "Fleming's Bond" is pathetic.

Thanks for the info...............just need to read the 'Thunderball' novel at some time now!

[bjmdds]

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It's now 78% and going down

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

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It's now 78% and going down

Really? I've just check RT, and their score for LTK is 76% (TLD's is 69%).

[Omega]

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It's now 78% and going down

Really? I've just check RT, and their score for LTK is 76% (TLD's is 69%).

yeah but dalton was hated by critics at the time


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[bjmdds]

Which shows you how crummy ECH-TRE is big O because the critics are just like the CNBC moderators last night who were in the tank for the Democrats yet claim to be impartial. Cr-egg is beloved by these liberal critics so a rating in the 70s is not good for the film.

[Veronica]

It seems to me that there is this thing that goes "It is hard to appreciate Dalton because now Craig is doing Fleming's Bond and is much better at it". Which is ridiculous. The difference between what Dalton did and what Craig does is as clear as day can be.

[bjmdds]

I am not a Dalton fan and I never was;however, he buries Cr-egg in terms of what Bond should be all about.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

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It's now 78% and going down

Really? I've just check RT, and their score for LTK is 76% (TLD's is 69%).

yeah but dalton was hated by critics at the time


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I know that Ebert didn't hate Dalton (though he appears to like him more in LTK), from Ebert's LTK review:

"On the basis of this second performance as Bond, Dalton can have the role as long as he enjoys it. He makes an effective Bond - lacking Sean Connery's grace and humor, and Roger Moore's suave self-mockery, but with a lean tension and a toughness that is possibly more contemporary. The major difference between Dalton and the earlier Bonds is that he seems to prefer action to sex. But then so do movie audiences, these days. "Licence to Kill" is one of the best of the recent Bonds."

And most of the hate that Dalton received, was probably because he wasn't Pierce Brosnan.

[The Saint 007]

I personally don't care much about Bond film ratings, especially as a fan of Roger Moore, since his films get a lot of unfair criticism from the Bond snobs and the cool kids. With all the garbage that occurs on these sites, especially IMDb, it's hard to take them seriously. But some people do, and already I've seen some of the Craig fans panicking about the current drop in Spectre's rating. When the dust finally settles, Spectre might just sit at an overall average rating. The film seems to be causing split opinions due to it trying to satisfy fans of the classic and reboot style of Bond.

[dirtybenny]

I personally don't care much about Bond film ratings, especially as a fan of Roger Moore, since his films get a lot of unfair criticism from the Bond snobs and the cool kids. With all the garbage that occurs on these sites, especially IMDb, it's hard to take them seriously. But some people do, and already I've seen some of the Craig fans panicking about the current drop in Spectre's rating. When the dust finally settles, Spectre might just sit at an overall average rating. The film seems to be causing split opinions due to it trying to satisfy fans of the classic and reboot style of Bond.

I'm with you Saint, Bond films never have, never will, and never should be critic's darlings. They're fun action adventure pictures, not Shakespeare.

As to satisfying the classic and new fans, its the mustard slathered lobster tail analogy I came up with.

[TROLLY]

I personally don't care much about Bond film ratings, especially as a fan of Roger Moore, since his films get a lot of unfair criticism from the Bond snobs and the cool kids. With all the garbage that occurs on these sites, especially IMDb, it's hard to take them seriously. But some people do, and already I've seen some of the Craig fans panicking about the current drop in Spectre's rating. When the dust finally settles, Spectre might just sit at an overall average rating. The film seems to be causing split opinions due to it trying to satisfy fans of the classic and reboot style of Bond.

Moonraker got it's fair share of bad reviews, yet, it was the most successful film in the Roger Moore series. I can't think of any reason why Spectre couldn't be Daniel Craig's most successful in the series.

[bjmdds]

ECH-TRE down to 77% on RT now. --------------MaryAnn Johanson-Flick Filosopher:Everyone might as well be enacting a Bond puppet show, which sometimes descends into that unpleasantly retro ickiness, as in the sequence with Monica Bellucci (The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, Shoot ’Em Up). For all the astonished to-do over a Bond “girl” being an actual contemporary of Bond, instead of a woman young enough to be his daughter, Bellucci’s character is completely superfluous except as someone for Bond to mechanically bed, as if as part of a box-ticking exercise for Essential Bond Scenes: they’ve barely met before they are engaging in the unsexiest grappling imaginable, and then her character is completely forgotten, never spoken of or seen again, even though her tiny slice of the story suggests she won’t be, that Bond will have to circle back round to her. But the movie no longer has any use for her, even though it drags itself on for an unforgivably long two-and-a-half-hour slog. It just feels trite and tired. Which is a particular disappointment for a series that had, until now, avoided that trap.

[ml94]

TODAY.

[Alessandra]

I'm curious to understand why you deem White's scenes one of the best in the movie. I found that absolutely ridiculous and preposterous. A soap opera cliché exploited to desperately try to make sense of a nonsensical movie and of a group of disjointed and nonsensical movies that Craig did altogether.

I haven't posted anything about Mr White. You're mistaking me for somebody else.

And do calm down a bit will you.

You didn't talk about Mr white and that's why I said EA at the beginning of the paragraph . That means English Agent. LOL. And thank you, I do NOT need to calm down but maybe paying attention helps! LOL

ECH-TRE down to 77% on RT now. --------------MaryAnn Johanson-Flick Filosopher:Everyone might as well be enacting a Bond puppet show, which sometimes descends into that unpleasantly retro ickiness, as in the sequence with Monica Bellucci (The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, Shoot ’Em Up). For all the astonished to-do over a Bond “girl” being an actual contemporary of Bond, instead of a woman young enough to be his daughter, Bellucci’s character is completely superfluous except as someone for Bond to mechanically bed, as if as part of a box-ticking exercise for Essential Bond Scenes: they’ve barely met before they are engaging in the unsexiest grappling imaginable, and then her character is completely forgotten, never spoken of or seen again, even though her tiny slice of the story suggests she won’t be, that Bond will have to circle back round to her. But the movie no longer has any use for her, even though it drags itself on for an unforgivably long two-and-a-half-hour slog. It just feels trite and tired. Which is a particular disappointment for a series that had, until now, avoided that trap.

This is embarrassing for Bellucci and much more so for the film. SMH. But I laugh at someone being so candid about it

[English Agent]

True....Bellucci’s character in the film, was a big let down..........considering all the build up the media had made of it...........and i agree, it seemed to be just included into the film to tick the box, on the list for what should be in a Bond film.
Lea Seydoux,...........her character was much better in the film, but still not that remarkable, when taken into context with other Bond ladies in the franchises history.

[Count_Lippe]

I'm curious to understand why you deem White's scenes one of the best in the movie. I found that absolutely ridiculous and preposterous. A soap opera cliché exploited to desperately try to make sense of a nonsensical movie and of a group of disjointed and nonsensical movies that Craig did altogether.

I haven't posted anything about Mr White. You're mistaking me for somebody else.

And do calm down a bit will you.

You didn't talk about Mr white and that's why I said EA at the beginning of the paragraph . That means English Agent. LOL. And thank you, I do NOT need to calm down but maybe paying attention helps! LOL

If you want to comment about what English Agent said you should quote him, or at least write a separate post to him.

That's how you communicate on an internet-forum.

[Atticus]

Moonraker got it's fair share of bad reviews, yet, it was the most successful film in the Roger Moore series. I can't think of any reason why Spectre couldn't be Daniel Craig's most successful in the series.

I can think of reasons why Spectre won't be Craig's most successful in the series. First of, for that to happen, the film has to make more than $1 billion to blow away Skyfall. Since it was out of control at a production cost of around $300 million to $350 million (without marketing costs), a billion alone (as many here pointed out) will just break even. Of course, no business seeks to "break even." You can bet all those less than brilliant studio executives with their PowerPoint slides full of bar graphs and bean-counter percentages won't be longing to break even. So for a substantial profit, the film has to rake in at least $2 billion worldwide. We'll see.

As for Moonraker, I'm old enough to tell you first hand that, yeah, it got bad reviews. But the film was a lighthearted romp, and I remember audiences in the theater cheering and laughing at the humor. Even though it's outrageous, there's a sincerity to it--it has no cheap stunt where they unveil at the end that Drax (for example) is Bond's grandfather or something. The plot itself, though outrageous, is still in that vein of the Bond-villain megalomaniac world domination routine. The way the Bond films were at that time, in the late 70s, audiences were accustomed to that Moore style of a Bond film. Moonraker, for all it's flaws, is light entertainment that appealed to the average movie-goer. Now look at AVTAK. that film got bad reviews and didn't do the same numbers as, say, Octopussy. It had a lousy story that just didn't click with audiences. I was living in the Bay Area at the time and I remember how audiences booed and hissed at the screen when Zorin revealed his plan to wipe out Silicon Valley. It was such a ridiculous idea, the locals obviously didn't buy the idea, and eventually the film just didn't catch on. Based on how Spectre is tracking in terms of reaction on sites like metacritic and RT, it looks like the same thing is happening. But we'll see, especially when it opens here next week in the USA.