The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

Is it a comedy or an adventure film, or both?

If you're referring to Kingsman, it's both.

[Fakhrul]

See? Politically Correct strike again. Brosnan could've easily said that black Bonds won't be fitting, like remarks something about tradition, the looks and being very likely to be Bond in name only.
Also, you gave me an idea to forget the whole thing: To pretend that Brosnan answered it as a smart way to say that he doesn't care about Bond franchise anymore.

[FormerBondFan]

I stopped care about the franchise the day EON dismissed Pierce.

[Kristatos]

But if Pierce was advocating Colin Salmon for Bond a decade ago, why is everyone acting like his championing colour-blind casting for Bond is a new thing? I don't agree with him, on either Idris or Colin, but this didn't come out of the blue.

[Fakhrul]

Well, it seems that lots of people already forgot about the Colin Salmon's suggestion, so it come out as new again. I also didn't know anything about Brosnan suggested Colin for the new Bond.

[FormerBondFan]

It doesn't matter anymore in regards to who plays the role.

[Alessandra]

He could have simply said "Henry Cavill is my preferred choice" and that would have ended it. This PC garbage has to stop already and state the truth that Elba does not fit the role desription. Simple.

No he couldn't have said that. He was asked a DIRECT and PRECISE question that involved Elba and Elba only. Cavill was NOT part of the conversation. AND Pierce knows better than "oh wait let me champion a white actor instead". BJ this is HOLLYWOOD. He is SUPPOSED to be politically correct when speaking about a colleague when he is asked a direct question, PERIOD. ESPECIALLY if there is the risk of being deemed racist. I don't understand why anyone is giving this that much importance. Elba is not a contender and on top of it this is VERY old news. Pascal is gone and Babs will have very little claims to make with whoever replaces Pascal at Sony.

This Elba conversation is VERY OLD NEWS around here because his name was floating around the fandom TWO bloody years ago. So as far as I'm concerned, the topic is closed. I am sick and tired of media trying to make old news news, and I certainly won't help them by having conversations about it.

I'd much rather focus on the Man from U.N.C.L.E. trailer that was at 962k views last night and is now at 997k. It'll pass a million by the end of the day.

Also FBF... it's not like everything Pierce Brosnan does is right. He played Hollywood politics here. Bond may be dead for you but he certainly isn't for the rest of us. The fact ONE wrong actor did a few movies certainly doesn't erase the character for me. And I won't stop watching Bond with the right actor just because Pierce Brosnan isn't Bond anymore. The world doesn't revolve around Brosnan. And neither does Bond. I LOVE HIm dearly and loved him as Bond but the fact he isn't Bond anymore doesn't make me stop watching Bond IF THE RIGHT ACTOR plays him.

[FormerBondFan]

If we need Bond films with the right actor, Babs has to go. Otherwise anybody or anything can be Bond now.

[Fakhrul]

Yeah, Alessandra. I get what you talk. But it's not hollywood alone. Virtually everyone in the world need to be PC, even when it's ridiculous. What's worse is thanks to ADD induced movies and gadgets, we now live in the world where no one bothered to read the whole story. My suggestion earlier? Forget about it. You're right. Some people would skip the whole story and just grabbed the "Brosnan didn't think that black actors are good enough to become James Bond!" line. Like that Nike ad where Barkley said that parents should be the role model, not him.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzdAZ3TjCA&hl=id&gl=ID[/video]
If Durant did something like that, someone would try to burn his house.

[Alessandra]

Yeah, Alessandra. I get what you talk. But it's not hollywood alone. Virtually everyone in the world need to be PC, even when it's ridiculous. What's worse is thanks to ADD induced movies and gadgets, we now live in the world where no one bothered to read the whole story. My suggestion earlier? Forget about it. You're right. Some people would skip the whole story and just grabbed the "Brosnan didn't think that black actors are good enough to become James Bond!" line. Like that Nike ad where Barkley said that parents should be the role model, not him.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzdAZ3TjCA&hl=id&gl=ID[/video]
If Durant did something like that, someone would try to burn his house.

EXACTLY. That was exactly my point. What did people expect Brosnan to do? Of course he answered that way, no one wants to be called a racist because they don't approve of a colleague who is black, and that's definitely what would have happened.

Also, Kristatos, exactly. He talked about Colin Salmon well before he was asked about Elba, so it's clear that he generally doesn't have a problem with a black Bond. Again, I could see Colin Salmon in the role. NOT Idris Elba. (Provided I am not in favor of turning Bond black because being WASP is an essential trait of the character).

Meantime and by the way... Man from U.N.C.L.E. is past 1 million views. KNEW IT!

[bjmdds]

Let's get Brosnan's take on Cavill as Solo.

[bjmdds]

If we need Bond films with the right actor, Babs has to go. Otherwise anybody or anything can be Bond now.

Gr-egg Wilson, son of MGW, is an associate producer on SP-"ECHHH"-TRE, so I don't see the family leaving any time soon FBF. You will have to adapt to the new Bond and if MGM takes over the creative aspects of the franchise and limits the green vegetable's input, you should be happy to once again be a Bond Fan, not a FormerBondFan.

[Atticus]

He could have simply said "Henry Cavill is my preferred choice" and that would have ended it. This PC garbage has to stop already and state the truth that Elba does not fit the role desription. Simple.

bjmdds: Alessandra made great points and she's far more articulate than me. In my own words, Brosnan made a wise response from a PR standpoint. If he said otherwise, you know what the liberal mainstream media, along with the PC mafia, would have done. They would've published his response with a suggestion or an implication (at the very least) that he's a racist. If that happened, he's history. Besides, he has nothing to gain by denouncing fellow actors. He's better off just being upbeat.

And if he went on to advocate Cavill at this stage, he'll come across as a control freak who's meddling in the affairs of Eon, a company he's no longer involved with. The media can twist that around and make it look like he's still bitter about his Bond exit. So he's better off keeping quiet. Based on his good-natured style anyway, Brosnan would be praising Cavill if he was suddenly asked whether the young actor would make an ideal Bond.

Maybe he's also being extremely careful based on something he's learned from a previous incident. I remember when he was promoting After the Sunset and the media asked him about Colin Ferrell as a potential Bond. He agreed Ferrell would be a good choice, and it was all over the newswires. Ferrell was hounded by reporters, as a result. Then, shortly afterwards, I saw Brosnan on the Charlie Rose show with Salma Hayeck. He was asked about the incident, and he said his comment was in response to a casual direct question, just as he was leaving a pub. It was something he never intended to be a nuisance for Ferrell. I think that's why he tossed in that line "May the best man win." He's saying, it seems, that he's supportive of anyone who gets the part.

[FormerBondFan]

If we need Bond films with the right actor, Babs has to go. Otherwise anybody or anything can be Bond now.

Gr-egg Wilson, son of MGW, is an associate producer on SP-"ECHHH"-TRE, so I don't see the family leaving any time soon FBF. You will have to adapt to the new Bond and if MGM takes over the creative aspects of the franchise and limits the green vegetable's input, you should be happy to once again be a Bond Fan, not a FormerBondFan.

Either Babs go or say goodbye to Bond for good. Can't have both Babs in charge and the traditional Bond actor after DC leaves. That b1tch has committed the one of the unforgivable act in the show business, and you expect us to trust the one who went Darth Sidious on us by dismissing the modern day classic Bond (leaving him without a classic Bond other his debut Bond that is considered the best by the majority) then installed DC, boosting him up and give him the "good" stuff that Pierce's Bond didn't have? F*CK no! Mikey's kids...I'm fine with that. But Babs.....NO F*CKING WAY. If you say Babs should or will stay when the traditional classic dark-haired Bond returns, then you're no better than a minion as you have already admitted defeat. As long as Babs stays in charge after DC leaves, I'm done with the franchise for good.

[Atticus]

See? Politically Correct strike again. Brosnan could've easily said that black Bonds won't be fitting, like remarks something about tradition, the looks and being very likely to be Bond in name only.

Sadly, this PC crap is becoming more and more prominent each day. It's all about uniformity of thought, isn't it? I think most people don't even realize how totalitarian in nature PC is. It points to cultural marxism.

[bjmdds]

If we need Bond films with the right actor, Babs has to go. Otherwise anybody or anything can be Bond now.

Gr-egg Wilson, son of MGW, is an associate producer on SP-"ECHHH"-TRE, so I don't see the family leaving any time soon FBF. You will have to adapt to the new Bond and if MGM takes over the creative aspects of the franchise and limits the green vegetable's input, you should be happy to once again be a Bond Fan, not a FormerBondFan.

Either Babs go or say goodbye to Bond for good. Can't have both Babs in charge and the traditional Bond actor after DC leaves. That b1tch has committed the one of the unforgivable act in the show business, and you expect us to trust the one who went Darth Sidious on us by dismissing the modern day classic Bond (leaving him without a classic Bond other his debut Bond that is considered the best by the majority) then installed DC, boosting him up and give him the "good" stuff that Pierce's Bond didn't have? F*CK no! Mikey's kids...I'm fine with that. But Babs.....NO F*CKING WAY. If you say Babs should or will stay when the traditional classic dark-haired Bond returns, then you're no better than a minion as you have already admitted defeat. As long as Babs stays in charge after DC leaves, I'm done with the franchise for good.

I don't think MGM will let her be in charge to the extent she has been with Pascal now gone.

[Alessandra]

He could have simply said "Henry Cavill is my preferred choice" and that would have ended it. This PC garbage has to stop already and state the truth that Elba does not fit the role desription. Simple.

bjmdds: Alessandra made great points and she's far more articulate than me. In my own words, Brosnan made a wise response from a PR standpoint. If he said otherwise, you know what the liberal mainstream media, along with the PC mafia, would have done. They would've published his response with a suggestion or an implication (at the very least) that he's a racist. If that happened, he's history. Besides, he has nothing to gain by denouncing fellow actors. He's better off just being upbeat.

And if he went on to advocate Cavill at this stage, he'll come across as a control freak who's meddling in the affairs of Eon, a company he's no longer involved with. The media can twist that around and make it look like he's still bitter about his Bond exit. So he's better off keeping quiet. Based on his good-natured style anyway, Brosnan would be praising Cavill if he was suddenly asked whether the young actor would make an ideal Bond.

Maybe he's also being extremely careful based on something he's learned from a previous incident. I remember when he was promoting After the Sunset and the media asked him about Colin Ferrell as a potential Bond. He agreed Ferrell would be a good choice, and it was all over the newswires. Ferrell was hounded by reporters, as a result. Then, shortly afterwards, I saw Brosnan on the Charlie Rose show with Salma Hayeck. He was asked about the incident, and he said his comment was in response to a casual direct question, just as he was leaving a pub. It was something he never intended to be a nuisance for Ferrell. I think that's why he tossed in that line "May the best man win." He's saying, it seems, that he's supportive of anyone who gets the part.

Perfectly stated. And perfectly articulate, too.

He was in a situation where he couldn't give any other response. He gave the best one he could given the situation, because he was asked a direct question and then said may the best man win. And that definitely means he'll support anyone who gets the part, I agree. As he should. Given how high tensions are at Sony, it's really not the time to be fussing about things. Also, inelegant toward colleagues if he did. Again, he gave the only possible answer in the situation, and it was a wise one.

[FormerBondFan]

If we need Bond films with the right actor, Babs has to go. Otherwise anybody or anything can be Bond now.

Gr-egg Wilson, son of MGW, is an associate producer on SP-"ECHHH"-TRE, so I don't see the family leaving any time soon FBF. You will have to adapt to the new Bond and if MGM takes over the creative aspects of the franchise and limits the green vegetable's input, you should be happy to once again be a Bond Fan, not a FormerBondFan.

Either Babs go or say goodbye to Bond for good. Can't have both Babs in charge and the traditional Bond actor after DC leaves. That b1tch has committed the one of the unforgivable act in the show business, and you expect us to trust the one who went Darth Sidious on us by dismissing the modern day classic Bond (leaving him without a classic Bond other his debut Bond that is considered the best by the majority) then installed DC, boosting him up and give him the "good" stuff that Pierce's Bond didn't have? F*CK no! Mikey's kids...I'm fine with that. But Babs.....NO F*CKING WAY. If you say Babs should or will stay when the traditional classic dark-haired Bond returns, then you're no better than a minion as you have already admitted defeat. As long as Babs stays in charge after DC leaves, I'm done with the franchise for good.

I don't think MGM will let her be in charge to the extent she has been with Pascal now gone.

Good.

[Alessandra]

See? Politically Correct strike again. Brosnan could've easily said that black Bonds won't be fitting, like remarks something about tradition, the looks and being very likely to be Bond in name only.

Sadly, this PC crap is becoming more and more prominent each day. It's all about uniformity of thought, isn't it? I think most people don't even realize how totalitarian in nature PC is. It points to cultural marxism.

You make a very good point. And I agree with it actually. It is totalitarian in nature. In Europe we're not nearly as politically correct, but when race gets into play everyone better think TEN TIMES before what they say publicly, because even if you mean well, if you word something badly you could get in a HELL of a lot of trouble. It's too delicate a subject to risk ANY misunderstanding.

[bjmdds]

The biggest joke is that the most outwardly PC people are the most inwardly racist jerks, as an example Pascal's email leaks. They are all full of it and it has become a farce with fakes in Hollywoodie.