The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[stockslivevan]

Sweenster and the EA:look at that above picture. Do you think I can possibly enjoy QOS?

Yes, if you put aside your negativity and go with an open mind, but that would be asking too much from you.

[bjmdds]

Sweenster and the EA:look at that above picture. Do you think I can possibly enjoy QOS?

Yes, if you put aside your negativity and go with an open mind, but that would be asking too much from you.

No it wouldn't. Seeing the released clips so far does little to counter any preconceived thoughts. When the 'core' of an apple is rotten, who cares what the outside tastes like?

[stockslivevan]

What exactly is "rotten" in those clips? Craig swinging on a cable? How many Bond flicks have had that kind of action? If they add the Tarzan yell I'll understand what's "rotten".

That's the real problem though, you've already made your thoughts. Doesn't matter what it is or isn't. It doesn't matter if they make a traditional Bond film, as long as Craig is in it, you'll hate it anyway. I've never seen you give his films a slight chance, not even 0.1%. It's like god forbid you give a compliment to CR by calling a dinner table looking fancy because you're intent on making it look like it's 100% terrible. You seem to refuse to associate anything positive no matter how small.

Do you at least hope it is a good film at least? I mean come on. Every Bond fan should at least give something a chance, but for you it would seem like blasphemy.

[bjmdds]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

[English Agent]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

'BJ' we know your stance on DC and the Bond franchise of present.........but my question to you.....is how do you maintain an interest
in the world of Bond, when you may possibly have to wait quite a few years, to hopefully (from your point of view) the Bond films and lead actor
are acceptable to you.

AB

[James]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

'BJ' we know your stance on DC and the Bond franchise of present.........but my question to you.....is how do you maintain an interest
in the world of Bond, when you may possibly have to wait quite a few years, to hopefully (from your point of view) the Bond films and lead actor
are acceptable to you.

AB

You don't have to be deeply into the latest film to be a Bond fan. There are twenty films that don't involve Daniel Craig and the original novels. Just because you aren't that enthused by the current Bond actor or direction it doesn't mean that you don't still enjoy the legacy of the character. I'd prefer it if I was more into current incarnation of the cinematic Bond but I don't feel any less of a Bond fan for not being tremendously excited about another Daniel Craig film. I'm sure there was a Bond fan somewhere in the seventies or early eighties grumbling about Roger Moore. He wasn't any less of a Bond fan either.

[bjmdds]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

'BJ' we know your stance on DC and the Bond franchise of present.........but my question to you.....is how do you maintain an interest
in the world of Bond, when you may possibly have to wait quite a few years, to hopefully (from your point of view) the Bond films and lead actor
are acceptable to you.

AB

Didn't the Brosnan haters wait from 1989 until 2006 for Craig to emerge? Seventeen years of waiting. I do not think my wait will be quite as drastic as that EA? Just ask the Sweenster how he remained a Bond fan with Brosnan at the helm.

[bjmdds]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

'BJ' we know your stance on DC and the Bond franchise of present.........but my question to you.....is how do you maintain an interest
in the world of Bond, when you may possibly have to wait quite a few years, to hopefully (from your point of view) the Bond films and lead actor
are acceptable to you.

AB

You don't have to be deeply into the latest film to be a Bond fan. There are twenty films that don't involve Daniel Craig and the original novels. Just because you aren't that enthused by the current Bond actor or direction it doesn't mean that you don't still enjoy the legacy of the character. I'd prefer it if I was more into current incarnation of the cinematic Bond but I don't feel any less of a Bond fan for not being tremendously excited about another Daniel Craig film. I'm sure there was a Bond fan somewhere in the seventies or early eighties grumbling about Roger Moore. He wasn't any less of a Bond fan either.

Correct. If anything, Craig's presence intensifies my desire to return Bond to his proper state and when it occurs, it will be most gratifying.

[The Sweeney]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

'BJ' we know your stance on DC and the Bond franchise of present.........but my question to you.....is how do you maintain an interest
in the world of Bond, when you may possibly have to wait quite a few years, to hopefully (from your point of view) the Bond films and lead actor
are acceptable to you.

AB

You don't have to be deeply into the latest film to be a Bond fan. There are twenty films that don't involve Daniel Craig and the original novels. Just because you aren't that enthused by the current Bond actor or direction it doesn't mean that you don't still enjoy the legacy of the character. I'd prefer it if I was more into current incarnation of the cinematic Bond but I don't feel any less of a Bond fan for not being tremendously excited about another Daniel Craig film. I'm sure there was a Bond fan somewhere in the seventies or early eighties grumbling about Roger Moore. He wasn't any less of a Bond fan either.

Correct. If anything, Craig's presence intensifies my desire to return Bond to his proper state and when it occurs, it will be most gratifying.

Thats true, and it was exactly how I felt when watching CR, after years of being in the wilderness during the awful Brosnan years.

How did I cope? I just hoped that with each new release, EON may have got their act together, and improved on the last one (something probably James and bj are hoping with QOS).

Unfortunately with the Brosnan films, they went on a gradual decline, rather than improving with each new one.

[James]

Was it more Brosnan or the films? With me it's more Craig than anything. I like your new signature Sweeney. It's great to see a photo of Melvin Hayes on the site.

[English Agent]

What i dont agree with is that people cant separate the actors from the Bond films they stared in!!

PB was good, its just the fact that the Bond films he starred in severly deteriated during his tenure as Bond.

The fact is that most people on Bond websites realise that he stared in poor quality Bond films...............i mean TWINE & DAD were very poor,
that doesn't mean fans hated PB.

Some of you say u hate Craig.............but DO you really, or is the fact that u cant appreciate the the desire of the filmakers to bring Bond upto date.

I loved most of the previous Bond films.........but times change........why cant people put aside their preducies aside and understand this fact.

Blimey...............DON'T make judgements until you see the results.

If i have to read any more negative posts.........then i may have to wire myself to the mains electricity!!!

AB

[bjmdds]

Cheer up EA, you will see Craig swinging on the vines soon enough, no need for electrical shock. I fail to see how Craig brings Bond up to date? Please extrapolate your premise, if you please.

[English Agent]

Cheer up EA, you will see Craig swinging on the vines soon enough, no need for electrical shock. I fail to see how Craig brings Bond up to date? Please extrapolate your premise, if you please.

Sorry 'BJ' i cant answer your question as i dont understand it!!!

What does 'extrapolate' mean?

[bjmdds]

QOS will stand on it's own merits, regardless of what I think. Bond films have always generated buzz so this one will be no exception;however, for me to 'truly' enjoy it would mean a major replacement in the process. I await to see how the public receives DC round 2. If they embrace him, I will have to wait a longer period of time for the franchise to be HOPEFULLY restored to it's original conception. I believe you already have a good feeling that Craig will deliver for you what you want in a Bond film. For me, it's 1989 all over again, just waiting for the next candidate who hopefully I will be pleased with, and others as well.

'BJ' we know your stance on DC and the Bond franchise of present.........but my question to you.....is how do you maintain an interest
in the world of Bond, when you may possibly have to wait quite a few years, to hopefully (from your point of view) the Bond films and lead actor
are acceptable to you.

AB

You don't have to be deeply into the latest film to be a Bond fan. There are twenty films that don't involve Daniel Craig and the original novels. Just because you aren't that enthused by the current Bond actor or direction it doesn't mean that you don't still enjoy the legacy of the character. I'd prefer it if I was more into current incarnation of the cinematic Bond but I don't feel any less of a Bond fan for not being tremendously excited about another Daniel Craig film. I'm sure there was a Bond fan somewhere in the seventies or early eighties grumbling about Roger Moore. He wasn't any less of a Bond fan either.

Correct. If anything, Craig's presence intensifies my desire to return Bond to his proper state and when it occurs, it will be most gratifying.

Thats true, and it was exactly how I felt when watching CR, after years of being in the wilderness during the awful Brosnan years.

How did I cope? I just hoped that with each new release, EON may have got their act together, and improved on the last one (something probably James and bj are hoping with QOS).

Unfortunately with the Brosnan films, they went on a gradual decline, rather than improving with each new one.

How are we coping? As you did Sweenster, by 'hoping with each new release, Eon would get their act together', by realizing Craig as Bond is a fleeting fad. Were you pulled into the theatres between 1995-2002 kicking and screaming? Were you lost in the wilderness for 17 years???? We here, have endured Craig for only 1 going on 2 films. Perhaps his tenure will be more Daltonian or Lazenbyish than Connery, Moore or Brosnan. Then we can all return from the wilderness, back to civilization, with a proper(HOPEFULLY) Bond in place.

[bjmdds]

Cheer up EA, you will see Craig swinging on the vines soon enough, no need for electrical shock. I fail to see how Craig brings Bond up to date? Please extrapolate your premise, if you please.

Sorry 'BJ' i cant answer your question as i dont understand it!!!

What does 'extrapolate' mean?

OK, expand on what you mean when you said Craig brings Bond up to date.

[English Agent]

Cheer up EA, you will see Craig swinging on the vines soon enough, no need for electrical shock. I fail to see how Craig brings Bond up to date? Please extrapolate your premise, if you please.

Sorry 'BJ' i cant answer your question as i dont understand it!!!

What does 'extrapolate' mean?

OK, expand on what you mean when you said Craig brings Bond up to date.

Umm...........right what i think i'am trying to say, is that the style of Bond film starring Craig is what the audience of today wants.......ie a more grittier down to earth style thriller, rather than the slapstick parodies we have had in times past.

I know you have made comments regarding Bond imitating Bourne.....well
i will have a chance to see what you mean as i have been given all 3 Bourne movies to view this weekend on DVD.

AB

[James]

The fact is that most people on Bond websites realise that he stared in poor quality Bond films...............i mean TWINE & DAD were very poor,
that doesn't mean fans hated PB.

The World Is Not Enough isn't a bad film. If it was playing on one channel and Casino Royale was on the other, I'd watch TWINE.

The sooner people realise this fact the better

That's a subjective view, not a fact.

[bjmdds]

Cheer up EA, you will see Craig swinging on the vines soon enough, no need for electrical shock. I fail to see how Craig brings Bond up to date? Please extrapolate your premise, if you please.

Sorry 'BJ' i cant answer your question as i dont understand it!!!

What does 'extrapolate' mean?

OK, expand on what you mean when you said Craig brings Bond up to date.

Umm...........right what i think i'am trying to say, is that the style of Bond film starring Craig is what the audience of today wants.......ie a more grittier down to earth style thriller, rather than the slapstick parodies we have had in times past.

I know you have made comments regarding Bond imitating Bourne.....well
i will have a chance to see what you mean as i have been given all 3 Bourne movies to view this weekend on DVD.

AB

Notice the action unit director from TBU? He will be doing QOSTBM. Also, gritty is fine, but deviation from the norm is another thing, of which Craig is.

[bjmdds]

The fact is that most people on Bond websites realise that he stared in poor quality Bond films...............i mean TWINE & DAD were very poor,
that doesn't mean fans hated PB.

The World Is Not Enough isn't a bad film. If it was playing on one channel and Casino Royale was on the other, I'd watch TWINE.

The sooner people realise this fact the better

That's a subjective view, not a fact.

Arthur,why did you feel that TWINE was so poor? It had a good villain, with a bullet in his head, a pretty and evil lead Bond villainess, M had a decent role, and Brosnan was a credible Bond. The only problem for me was Richards' role.

[James]

Anyone heard the Al Pacino rumour? It must be cobblers.