The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:20 pm

My review of "EON" started October 2005 with Craig's announcement as Bond. It followed with this reboot idea and continues with the Bourne mimicry called CR/QOS, with no traditional remnants of the franchise in place, in fact, dismissed as never was, and inconsequential now

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:23 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:'BJ'.............We know you dont like the casting of Craig as Bond.......but
as a film, what are you hoping to see in QOS that will make you enjoy the film?

EA

'I hope to see' the masses wake up from this Craig hysteria and come back to reality and realize what is being done here is not a redefining of Bond, but rather a systematic dismantling of the rich 40 year history of the franchise from 1962-2002. THEN, I will enjoy the film.

Post by **English Agent** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:35 pm

Kristatos wrote:
Arthur Brain wrote:'BJ'.............We know you dont like the casting of Craig as Bond.......but
as a film, what are you hoping to see in QOS that will make you enjoy the film?
I think BJ already has his review of QOS written.

PS: 3 ducks.

Yes, Kris your right.........its amazing how many people get this simple test wrong though!!

As i've asked 'BJ' what do u personally hope 'Kris'....... to see in QOS?

Post by **English Agent** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:41 pm

Sorry to hear that 'BJ'...............but can i ask you why you post so much on the subject...........as you are probably aware that you may have to wait a long while for a change in the Bond franchise.

Surely as a Bond fan you will go to see QOS.........you never know you may be pleasantly surprised.

Incidently, i am also a fan of other franchises........are you also a general film fan?

EA

Post by **Kristatos** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:58 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:Yes, Kris you're right.........its amazing how many people get this simple test wrong though!!

As i've asked 'BJ' what do u personally hope 'Kris'....... to see in QOS?

Well, I almost said 5 ducks, but then I thought "nah, it can't be that simple", so I thought about it some more and figured out the trick question.

As for what I hope to see in QOS, well I have to say that after my disappointment at CR, I am anticipating it less eagerly than any Bond film in my 30 years of watching Bond. But I at least hope that my review in November might read "Daniel Craig's appearance was less of an issue for me this time around, and whilst the film continued CR's darker, grittier tone, there were no annoying reminders about its lack of continuity with previous films in the series, and it actually felt like a Bond film, not a Bourne knock-off". I shall go in expecting the worst, though. As the saying goes, you can't disappoint a pessimist.

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:12 pm

Arthur Brain wrote:Sorry to hear that 'BJ'...............but can i ask you why you post so much on the subject...........as you are probably aware that you may have to wait a long while for a change in the Bond franchise.

Surely as a Bond fan you will go to see QOS.........you never know you may be pleasantly surprised.

Incidently, i am also a fan of other franchises........are you also a general film fan?

EA

I grew up watching the Bond franchise become what it WAS, not what it has become. PERHAPS, the next Bond will reinvigorate many who have turned away from this franchise. Besides, without places like this site, where else can one find a Quantum Of Solace in protesting EON?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:39 am

bjmdds wrote:in fact, dismissed as never was, and inconsequential now

Do you intentionally ignore everything I tell you? I've told you so many times that EON isn't dismissing the past Bond films just by starting new continuity. They have never said "forget everything you know, they're obsolete, they don't matter". They're not like George Lucas who wants to pretend the pre-Special Edition versions never existed.

Hell, they have references in CR that are basically nods to the old films. It's not like they unintentionally showed a reference to Goldfinger by having a big man in a golf outfit who shares the same accent, wear gold clothing while driving a gold Range Rover. What about the DB5? I doubt that was only put in just to look pretty. This may be new continuity but EON is still putting references like this to show their respect to what made these Bond films popular and live on today. They're reminding us that they have not forgotten where they came from.

So this whole claim about EON trying to forget about their past is bogus.

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:47 am

stockslivevan wrote:
bjmdds wrote:in fact, dismissed as never was, and inconsequential now
Do you intentionally ignore everything I tell you? I've told you so many times that EON isn't dismissing the past Bond films just by starting new continuity. They have never said "forget everything you know, they're obsolete, they don't matter". They're not like George Lucas who wants to pretend the pre-Special Edition versions never existed.

Hell, they have references in CR that are basically nods to the old films. It's not like they unintentionally showed a reference to Goldfinger by having a big man in a golf outfit who shares the same accent, wear gold clothing while driving a gold Range Rover. What about the DB5? I doubt that was only put in just to look pretty. This may be new continuity but EON is still putting references like this to show their respect to what made these Bond films popular and live on today. They're reminding us that they have not forgotten where they came from.

So this whole claim about EON trying to forget about their past is bogus.

A big man in a golf outfit,who shares the same accent,and wears gold clothing;a DB5;a Range Rover. And you are surprised I did not recognize this as a Bond film of the past? By going to the past, and starting pre-Dr.No, is NEW continuity? OHMSS to DAF was bad enough a continuity problem between Blofeld and Bond, but what Eon did now is light years out of whack to continuity. If all there will be are subtle nuances of the prior films, why bother putting them in, for it serves little purpose.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:29 am

bjmdds wrote:If all there will be are subtle nuances of the prior films, why bother putting them in, for it serves little purpose.

Kind of like Moneypenny post-Lois Maxwell right? Except the Goldfinger references in CR actually had a purpose: to acknowledge the film series' roots to fans.

This is exactly what I meant when you look hard for negatives instead of looking for something positive for a change.

Post by **Skywalker** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:33 pm

BJ

Have you ranked your favourite Bond films in order? and what do you like about the Pre-Craig era Bonds that you don't like now?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:57 pm

A question for bj. Will you be going to the cinema to see QOS, and if so, are you going in the faint hope that you MAY end up liking at least some of it?

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:44 am

Skywalker wrote:BJ

Have you ranked your favourite Bond films in order? and what do you like about the Pre-Craig era Bonds that you don't like now?

Bonds 1-5 are my favorites, hands down. OHMSS was not bad and Lazenby may have been shortlived too soon. The Dalton 'twins' did nothing for me and I was glad he left the role. DAF and LALD were OK, but not up to par for me. I like the remaining Moore films EXCEPT FAVTAK. Brosnan's films were very enjoyable to me except for the final 2/3 of DAD. Pre-Craig films had class, style, and escapism, for the most part, none of this exploration of Bond's inner psyche. They were a fun ride. Now, it's a Sigmund Freudian analysis of what makes Bond into that we have known him to already be. I want action, different locals, Q, Moneypenny, no Craig, unusual cars, gadgets, and a Bond who is not earning his stripes as a 00, with a male M who is in the proper time frame of reference.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:57 am

The Sweeney wrote:A question for bj. Will you be going to the cinema to see QOS, and if so, are you going in the faint hope that you MAY end up liking at least some of it?

If I flew overseas to see the 'Questionable Offbeat Script' with both you and Skywalker, I could point out to you why I feel the way I do by watching it frame by frame, and MAYBE, even convince you.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:30 am

Once again BJ shows his views to be fixed concerning QOS. You'll never have at least 0.1% optimism right? Of course not, you never gave CR a chance. It's as if I ever told you something negative about CR you'd eat it up and say "yes, I noticed that too, shame on them!" when I actually lied about it just to see your response.

OHMSS dealt with Bond's character by having him fall in love but when we deal with Bond's feelings again in QOS, god forbid it. Oh wait, only because Craig is in it. D'oh! My bad. You hope they make a really bad movie just so the film has a higher chance of flopping at the box office, you want Craig's non-Bond career to crash and burn too in hopes of EON of dumping Craig.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:36 am

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:A question for bj. Will you be going to the cinema to see QOS, and if so, are you going in the faint hope that you MAY end up liking at least some of it?
If I flew overseas to see the 'Questionable Offbeat Script' with both you and Skywalker, I could point out to you why I feel the way I do by watching it frame by frame, and MAYBE, even convince you.

Nice response bj, but it still didn't really answer my question properly.

Will you be seeing it at the cinema?

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:32 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:A question for bj. Will you be going to the cinema to see QOS, and if so, are you going in the faint hope that you MAY end up liking at least some of it?
If I flew overseas to see the 'Questionable Offbeat Script' with both you and Skywalker, I could point out to you why I feel the way I do by watching it frame by frame, and MAYBE, even convince you.
Nice response bj, but it still didn't really answer my question properly.

Will you be seeing it at the cinema?

I see all the Bonds.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:34 am

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:A question for bj. Will you be going to the cinema to see QOS, and if so, are you going in the faint hope that you MAY end up liking at least some of it?
If I flew overseas to see the 'Questionable Offbeat Script' with both you and Skywalker, I could point out to you why I feel the way I do by watching it frame by frame, and MAYBE, even convince you.
Nice response bj, but it still didn't really answer my question properly.

Will you be seeing it at the cinema?
I see all the Bonds.

Ok, so you are now recognising this as a Bond film? Why are you going to see it if you think it will be awful?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:56 am

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:A question for bj. Will you be going to the cinema to see QOS, and if so, are you going in the faint hope that you MAY end up liking at least some of it?
If I flew overseas to see the 'Questionable Offbeat Script' with both you and Skywalker, I could point out to you why I feel the way I do by watching it frame by frame, and MAYBE, even convince you.
Nice response bj, but it still didn't really answer my question properly.

Will you be seeing it at the cinema?
I see all the Bonds.
Ok, so you are now recognising this as a Bond film? Why are you going to see it if you think it will be awful?

So he can bring a pen and paper and write down anything he views negative (in his case, he'll write down everything in every frame) from the PTS to the the standing extra in the background, just so he could say "saw it, hated it" instead of doing what he did during CR's release by not seeing it for a few months but still trashing it anyway, which MI6 got tired of and when he finally saw it and did his "review" everyone saw right through him and knew not to take him seriously because they know he had his mind fixed on CR and Craig from the getgo.

Post by **carl stromberg** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:03 pm

The Sweeney wrote in response to BJMMDS:

Ok, so you are now recognising this as a Bond film? Why are you going to see it if you think it will be awful?

Probably the same reason that you, Benny and all the other self-confessed "Pierce Brosnan as Bond" haters on Commander Bond etc went to see Die Another Day. It's not a "Cubby" Bond film, but is one of the few films with "James Bond" in it, so I think even James Bond fans who are alarmed at British veteran character actor Daniel Craig playing Bond again will have a look. Just as you, Stocksilvian etc, self-proclaimed haters of gadgets, over the top action scenes, Q, Moneypenny and 3/4 of the Bond series went to see Die Another Day!

So, even though they dumped 40 odd years of James Bond film tradition "because it's fun" (in the words of Barbara Broccoli) - much to the delight of all those people who find 3/4 of the Bond films an insult to their intelligence - a blink and you miss it unfunny Goldfinger reference makes everything OK?

Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:39 pm

stockslivevan wrote:
bjmdds wrote:If all there will be are subtle nuances of the prior films, why bother putting them in, for it serves little purpose.

Kind of like Moneypenny post-Lois Maxwell right? Except the Goldfinger references in CR actually had a purpose: to acknowledge the film series' roots to fans.

Moneypenny and Q would acknowledge the franchise's roots, would it not?

I hope they do not have any more of their post-modern jokes in the next movie. I may need to invite a Nurse along to the cinema to stich up my sides.