Can Daniel Craig win you over.....

[Captain Nash]

There are many bitter anti-Daniel Craig As Bond people around: I am one of them

But as Skywalker said on the Casino Royale Review thread:

I'd like to think this site is constructive in its opinion to change/modify Bond 22/23 to be more akin to the Bond we love.

What can Daniel Craig do to win you over and make you enjoy his next Bond adventures?

YES DC can do it. –it's the producers and writers who need to go! This reboot crap complicates it. DC needs a good story and a decent chance.

Well I can't see a day when the Broccolis give up the Bond franchise...at least no time soon. The reboot has been given far more c r a p than it deserves. It was a bold decision to go away from the formula Bond, a formula that was over 40 years old (and showing it's age along time ago) and with the success of CR it's been proven that it can be done. So much has been made of continuity aswell, when there is no real continuity in the films. I'm still wondering what the real problem many have with this new direction?
Let's keep our fingers crossed, you may not have like Bond 21, but maybe you'll be more willing to give OO7 a go in Bond 22.

Less likely to plonk down the fee for B22. -unless it looks to be a better effort. CR has enough wrong with it to make B22 uninviting. -to me-
DC is contorting to play, jon mcclain, man of action not JB -He needs a good script with out the cheesy love theme –including runing after vespers killers.
I'll pass if B22 has the same attitude & approach to JB. If it becomes more Bond and less bourn I'm more willing to go.

The reboot got the right amount of crap – obviously copying other action movies and themes. taking a piss on the last 40 years pisses fasn off.
If there is no continuity -lose at the best times- then just tell the d**n story with out the restart pretence. Unless remaking the movies is the ultimat goal it all is going nowhere

Still lets keep the finger crossed -untill it happens.

Slow down on your typing Harvey. Or at least read through your posts before you submit them.
Also is there any need to use foul language?
(What kind of swear filters does this site have???)
And you say you'll be avoiding B22, but we all know you'll give up the fight when the reviews come in.

[Harvey Wallbanger]

There are many bitter anti-Daniel Craig As Bond people around: I am one of them

But as Skywalker said on the Casino Royale Review thread:



What can Daniel Craig do to win you over and make you enjoy his next Bond adventures?

YES DC can do it. –it's the producers and writers who need to go! This reboot crap complicates it. DC needs a good story and a decent chance.

Well I can't see a day when the Broccolis give up the Bond franchise...at least no time soon. The reboot has been given far more c r a p than it deserves. It was a bold decision to go away from the formula Bond, a formula that was over 40 years old (and showing it's age along time ago) and with the success of CR it's been proven that it can be done. So much has been made of continuity aswell, when there is no real continuity in the films. I'm still wondering what the real problem many have with this new direction?
Let's keep our fingers crossed, you may not have like Bond 21, but maybe you'll be more willing to give OO7 a go in Bond 22.

Less likely to plonk down the fee for B22. -unless it looks to be a better effort. CR has enough wrong with it to make B22 uninviting. -to me-
DC is contorting to play, jon mcclain, man of action not JB -He needs a good script with out the cheesy love theme –including runing after vespers killers.
I'll pass if B22 has the same attitude & approach to JB. If it becomes more Bond and less bourn I'm more willing to go.

The reboot got the right amount of crap – obviously copying other action movies and themes. taking a piss on the last 40 years pisses fasn off.
If there is no continuity -lose at the best times- then just tell the d**n story with out the restart pretence. Unless remaking the movies is the ultimat goal it all is going nowhere

Still lets keep the finger crossed -untill it happens.

Slow down on your typing Harvey. Or at least read through your posts before you submit them.
Also is there any need to use foul language?
(What kind of swear filters does this site have???)
And you say you'll be avoiding B22, but we all know you'll give up the fight when the reviews come in.

Never said Id be avoiding B22 -might, might not.
CR was bad for a lot of reasons. DC has potential -but continuing from CR like CR won't get me to go. I want DC to have a good story and be bond at the start. -becoming bond is less interesting than batman becoming batman.
IF the continuity was so weak the reboot dosen't matter. If LALD,DN,GF,MR,are not going to be redone then the reboot is a meaningless gesture
Tell the story -CR- and move along -Give DC all of the traits and the setting to pull JB off. Concentrating on the rough -crude -unclassy Bond is boring. we got plenty of heroes like that already.
If the masterplan is a story arc with 2 movies with JB rough around the edges and the 3rd becoming bond at the very end no thanks.
The writers and Cubby's kids have been in the way for years, too much to hope that they finally get their act together.

[Skywalker]

Never said Id be avoiding B22 -might, might not.
CR was bad for a lot of reasons. DC has potential -but continuing from CR like CR won't get me to go. I want DC to have a good story and be bond at the start. -becoming bond is less interesting than batman becoming batman.
IF the continuity was so weak the reboot dosen't matter. If LALD,DN,GF,MR,are not going to be redone then the reboot is a meaningless gesture
Tell the story -CR- and move along -Give DC all of the traits and the setting to pull JB off. Concentrating on the rough -crude -unclassy Bond is boring. we got plenty of heroes like that already.
If the masterplan is a story arc with 2 movies with JB rough around the edges and the 3rd becoming bond at the very end no thanks.
The writers and Cubby's kids have been in the way for years, too much to hope that they finally get their act together.

Good post Harvey. You've highlighted my concerns and those of many others.

[Kristatos]

[Tell the story -CR- and move along -Give DC all of the traits and the setting to pull JB off. Concentrating on the rough -crude -unclassy Bond is boring. we got plenty of heroes like that already.
If the masterplan is a story arc with 2 movies with JB rough around the edges and the 3rd becoming bond at the very end no thanks.

I agree, stretching the origin story out over 3 films is over-egging the pudding. It's the same problem as the Star Wars prelogy, the first two films of which were largely redundant in terms of building up to the original trilogy (though I found AOTC entertaining in its own right - TPM...not so much!). There's a site called Four Word Film Reviews, whose name is fairly self-explanatory, and one of the reviews of AOTC read "Are we there yet?". I fear the same review may equally apply to Bond 22 and much of Bond 23.

[Captain Nash]

Can I see some evidence of the becoming Bond idea being stretched out over the next two films?
I haven't read anything to suggest that this character arc will take this course.

[Skywalker]

Can I see some evidence of the becoming Bond idea being stretched out over the next two films?
I haven't read anything to suggest that this character arc will take this course.

I was under the impression from threads posted on different Bond sites that this would be the case. I certainly hope not though.

[Kristatos]

Can I see some evidence of the becoming Bond idea being stretched out over the next two films?
I haven't read anything to suggest that this character arc will take this course.

I don't know about the next two films, but certainly all the press releases from EON say that Bond 22 will be the first direct sequel in the series' history. The ending of CR only just stopped short of saying "TO BE CONTINUED...".

[Captain Nash]

I think the events of CR have helped shape the already hidden aspects of the Bond character and they will become more pronounced in Bond 22. I'm sure the Bond you know will return in the near future. Panic not yet.
The fat lady isn't even in the building.

[Harvey Wallbanger]

I'm sure the Bond you know will return in the near future.

here's to hoping

[AMERIBOND]

Yes, I'm the infamous Ameribond from UE.NET. True to my word, and unlike most others here, I have yet to see CR. Since most everyone here has seen CR, what can you tell me to convince me to actually watch CR. The topic here is, can DC win me over. I have seen DC in 3 other roles and watched the CR trailer. Based on what I have seen, DC is no James Bond. He is lacking everything that Bond has, or has had in the past. Tall, dark, handsome, style, suave, smart, witty. Should I see CR, and why? In this respect I am not the same as most posters on this site. I like James Bond as he has been for over 40 years. Can DC win me over and why?

[Skywalker]

Yes, I'm the infamous Ameribond from UE.NET.

No disrespect but that means nothing to me. Why are you infamous?

True to my word, and unlike most others here, I have yet to see CR. Since most everyone here has seen CR, what can you tell me to convince me to actually watch CR. The topic here is, can DC win me over. I have seen DC in 3 other roles and watched the CR trailer. Based on what I have seen, DC is no James Bond. He is lacking everything that Bond has, or has had in the past. Tall, dark, handsome, style, suave, smart, witty. Should I see CR, and why? In this respect I am not the same as most posters on this site. I like James Bond as he has been for over 40 years. Can DC win me over and why?

If you don't like Craig and wasn't happy with what your saw on the thrailer, then I'd say don't watch it. I watched the film at the cinema, because I wanted to give Craig a chance. I subsequently bought the DVD so that I could be fair in my appraisal of the film.

BTW welcome to the forum.

[Captain Nash]

If you don't like Craig and wasn't happy with what your saw on the thrailer, then I'd say don't watch it. I watched the film at the cinema, because I wanted to give Craig a chance. I subsequently bought the DVD so that I could be fair in my appraisal of the film.

It's okay you can come out now, your days of being a closet CR and DC fan are over.

[Kristatos]

Yes, I'm the infamous Ameribond from UE.NET. True to my word, and unlike most others here, I have yet to see CR. Since most everyone here has seen CR, what can you tell me to convince me to actually watch CR. The topic here is, can DC win me over. I have seen DC in 3 other roles and watched the CR trailer. Based on what I have seen, DC is no James Bond. He is lacking everything that Bond has, or has had in the past. Tall, dark, handsome, style, suave, smart, witty. Should I see CR, and why? In this respect I am not the same as most posters on this site. I like James Bond as he has been for over 40 years. Can DC win me over and why?

Not sure it's our job to convince you to see CR if you don't want to. All I would say is that if you do, you'll at least be able to form your own opinion instead of relying on other peoples'.

[Skywalker]

If you don't like Craig and wasn't happy with what your saw on the thrailer, then I'd say don't watch it. I watched the film at the cinema, because I wanted to give Craig a chance. I subsequently bought the DVD so that I could be fair in my appraisal of the film.

It's okay you can come out now, your days of being a closet CR and DC fan are over.

I wasn't aware they had begun.

[Captain Nash]

Just starting soon.
Watch this space.
And I'd appreciate it if you don't refer to me as Pluto 'muppet' Nash.
Thanks.
Nash, or CN is fine.

[AMERIBOND]

I was the infamous AMERIBOND because of my rejection of DC as Bond. Being a big Bond fan, and having posted on UE for years, I found it really strange that when DC's name came up as a possible Bond actor, there was nearly 100% ridicule across the board. After he was chosen as Bond the same people started singing his praises nonstop. Any dissenting voices dissapeared from the boards. Postings on the forums were being posted under my name that I did not post, and ect. Longtime members dissatisfied with the choice of DC dissapeared from the forums, kicked off by the moderators. My reasons for not seeing DC as Bond have always been the same. He is not tall. He is not in my view or my wifes view very good looking. He has blond hair. He does not have the classic deep "James Bond voice". He is not suave or cool or sophisticated. These are all things that previous Bond actors had, to varying degrees. DC has none of these. My wife said "Couldn't they have picked somebody who at least looked like James Bond? CR seems to do well with the younger crowd, but us older Bond fans will stick to the old stuff. I think i'll pass on CR.

[The Sweeney]

I was the infamous AMERIBOND because of my rejection of DC as Bond. Being a big Bond fan, and having posted on UE for years, I found it really strange that when DC's name came up as a possible Bond actor, there was nearly 100% ridicule across the board. After he was chosen as Bond the same people started singing his praises nonstop. Any dissenting voices dissapeared from the boards. Postings on the forums were being posted under my name that I did not post, and ect. Longtime members dissatisfied with the choice of DC dissapeared from the forums, kicked off by the moderators. My reasons for not seeing DC as Bond have always been the same. He is not tall. He is not in my view or my wifes view very good looking. He has blond hair. He does not have the classic deep "James Bond voice". He is not suave or cool or sophisticated. These are all things that previous Bond actors had, to varying degrees. DC has none of these. My wife said "Couldn't they have picked somebody who at least looked like James Bond? CR seems to do well with the younger crowd, but us older Bond fans will stick to the old stuff. I think i'll pass on CR.

Still don't know who you are, or what UE is.

Incidentally, do you think Brosnan and Dalton had the classic deep `James Bond voice'.......??

[Captain Nash]

He is not tall.

He's still 5'11", that's not exactly short either.

He is not in my view or my wifes view very good looking.

That's your right of opinion

He has blond hair.

Nothing wrong with your eyesight

He does not have the classic deep "James Bond voice".

What?

He is not suave or cool or sophisticated.

Well maybe not to you, but that's fair enough

CR seems to do well with the younger crowd, but us older Bond fans will stick to the old stuff. I think i'll pass on CR.

Well there are also older Bond fans that are very happy with CR. But to judge a film without seeing it, that's rich my friend. Other than the trailer and heresay, what can you comment on?

[stockslivevan]

AMERIBOND, your opinion (and so called reputation) doesn't stand for s**t until you have actually seen Casino Royale to give a fair review, negative or positive. You do not know for sure if you will like it or not, believe me. My mother was an Anti-Blond Bond. She really didn't think Craig has a d**n chance in hell as James Bond, saying things like "There is no such thing as a blond James Bond". But, she's a fair person and decided to watch the film with me when I finally got the DVD. 5 minutes in, she's already loving Craig as Bond. After the film was finished she said to me "I was wrong. This Daniel Craig has to be THE best actor for James Bond, better than Connery", something I highly disagree with.

And she's not the only one that liked him after saying negative things before viewing. My friend had doubts about the casting of Craig and wasn't expecting anything special from him. He's the kind of guy who acts as if he is never wrong and when he is he'll just brush it off. After the film ended, one of those rare instances came when he said "I was wrong. Craig really pulled it off in a way no one did convincingly since Connery with the arrogance and tough guy attitude."

Sure you have watched him in other movies, but if you didn't notice, he is a CHARACTER ACTOR. He tackles every kind of role and performs them differently. You aren't watching him as James Bond when you are watching him in other films, they're out of context. The point is, life is full of suprises. Don't be too sure of what you'll think after seeing the film. Either you hate it or love it, at least you will have shown some decency by giving someone a fair chance desipte the doubts instead of ignorantly claiming someone is terrible in the role despite you haven't seen him perform as Bond.

[The Sweeney]

AMERIBOND, your opinion (and so called reputation) doesn't stand for s**t until you have actually seen Casino Royale to give a fair review, negative or positive. You do not know for sure if you will like it or not, believe me. My mother was an Anti-Blond Bond. She really didn't think Craig has a d**n chance in hell as James Bond, saying things like "There is no such thing as a blond James Bond". But, she's a fair person and decided to watch the film with me when I finally got the DVD. 5 minutes in, she's already loving Craig as Bond. After the film was finished she said to me "I was wrong. This Daniel Craig has to be THE best actor for James Bond, better than Connery", something I highly disagree with.

And she's not the only one that liked him after saying negative things before viewing. My friend had doubts about the casting of Craig and wasn't expecting anything special from him. He's the kind of guy who acts as if he is never wrong and when he is he'll just brush it off. After the film ended, one of those rare instances came when he said "I was wrong. Craig really pulled it off in a way no one did convincingly since Connery with the arrogance and tough guy attitude."

Sure you have watched him in other movies, but if you didn't notice, he is a CHARACTER ACTOR. He tackles every kind of role and performs them differently. You aren't watching him as James Bond when you are watching him in other films, they're out of context. The point is, life is full of suprises. Don't be too sure of what you'll think after seeing the film. Either you hate it or love it, at least you will have shown some decency by giving someone a fair chance desipte the doubts instead of ignorantly claiming someone is terrible in the role despite you haven't seen him perform as Bond.

Forget it, Stocks. I think you are wasting your time on this deadbeat no-hoper......