Fleming material still unused for Bond 23

[The Sweeney]

I wish Fleming is still around. EON would have good stories to tell on screen.

Hear hear!!

And we wouldn't have had to put up with the crap P&W have given us over the past few years.....

[FormerBondFan]

What do you think of Bruce Feirstein?

[Blowfeld]

I think if Ian had lived to finished TMWTGG properly I might have enjoyed it better. It is lacking so many of his touches. I would describe it as dry read. For me YOLT was a beautiful ending for Bond.

I seem to recall a copy of Col Sun I had saying something about TMWGG being unfinished at the time of Ian's death

I don't agree with YOLT being the perfect ending. It left the story on a cliffhanger, the same way it ended in FRWL. We needed TMWTGG to find out what happened to Bond.

I would rate TMWTGG as high as number 2 in my rankings, just below OHMSS. I love the novel, even though it is sketchy in parts (due to Fleming departing before he could polish it). I think it has a brilliant, gripping opening, the villain is superb, I love Bond being undercover getting close to his target, and the ending on the train and in the magrove swamps is totally compelling. The last chapter also ends the novels perfectly...almost like Fleming knew this would be his last one. A great ending to the Bond cannon. If Fleming had time to polish it, TMWTGG could easily be my favourite novel.

And you are probably right about reading in Col Sun that TMWTGG was unfinished at the time of his death. Like I said earlier, it was in first draft form only. Fleming never had time to polish it properly. This is officially publicised in the 2 Fleming biographies I have.

I thought YOLT would be wonderful as a ending for Ian's Bond because it left the future open ended.
For me TMWTGG ranks higher than any of the none Ian Bond books, however there is always OHMSS, TB, GF, etc to take second, third, and 12th places in the Ian Bond category

[The Sweeney]

For me TMWTGG ranks higher than any of the none Ian Bond books, however there is always OHMSS, TB, GF, etc to take second, third, and 12th places in the Ian Bond category

So I take it TMWTGG is your least favourite Fleming novel then? TB is my worst.

My rankings go something like this -

1. OHMSS
2. TMWTGG
3. Dr. No
4. MR
5. LALD
6. CR
7. GF
8. YOLT
9. FRWL
10. TSWLM
11. DAF
12. FYEO
13. OP
14. TB

I love this 60's Pan collection too. I own all these....

[James]

I'm still waiting for Bond's fight with that giant octopuss from Doctor No to make it onscreen...

[John Drake]

Dr No is a completely bonkers (but fun) book if I recall.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

The part in Dr No where Bond is forced to go through No's obstacle course always reminds me of a horror short story - such as a Stephen King.

I thought Kinsgley Amis finished off The Man With The Golden Gun?

[Kristatos]

I'm still waiting for Bond's fight with that giant octopuss from Doctor No to make it onscreen...

It'd certainly shut up the so-called Fleming purists who are always praising Craig for supposedly taking Bond closer to Fleming's conception of the character.

[The Sweeney]

The part in Dr No where Bond is forced to go through No's obstacle course always reminds me of a horror short story - such as a Stephen King.

I thought Kinsgley Amis finished off The Man With The Golden Gun?

It was rumour only...and the finishing off was actually only polishing Fleming's first draft, which was completed before he died.

I think recently it has been dispelled as a myth now, and Fleming takes full credit for the novel today.

[John Drake]

TWTGG seems less detailed than Fleming's usual fare so I suppose that's where the stories came from.

[The Sweeney]

TWTGG seems less detailed than Fleming's usual fare so I suppose that's where the stories came from.

It was also only first draft form too, hence why it is less detailed. He never got chance to polish it with a 2nd draft.

[Mazer Rackham]

Eh, if they DO do the Bond trying to kill M thing, trust me... it'll be crap. The barrel has been scraped.

Depends how they do it. If it's done the way Fleming envisioned (an amnesia ridden Bond disappearing, resurfacing a year later, brainwashed to kill M) then it would be brilliant. The opening to TMWTGG was one of Fleming's greatest scenes he wrote.

If however, they do a half-ass attempt, mixing it with P&W's usual crap, then you are probably right...it will be crap.

Mate if you will wanna see this story done half way decent then you want Emo Craig gone cause he'll cry for 3 hrs about how he tired to kill M. It would be pure fiasco with the current attitude Eon has making the movies, not to dismiss the clusterfuck effect P&W have.

Anyway they can't get there from here, the are stuck at Go far as story line goes and can not pass Living Daylights to get to Golden Gun

[katied]

Eh, if they DO do the Bond trying to kill M thing, trust me... it'll be crap. The barrel has been scraped.

Depends how they do it. If it's done the way Fleming envisioned (an amnesia ridden Bond disappearing, resurfacing a year later, brainwashed to kill M) then it would be brilliant. The opening to TMWTGG was one of Fleming's greatest scenes he wrote.

If however, they do a half-ass attempt, mixing it with P&W's usual crap, then you are probably right...it will be crap.

Mate if you will wanna see this story done half way decent then you want Emo Craig gone cause he'll cry for 3 hrs about how he tired to kill M. It would be pure fiasco with the current attitude Eon has making the movies, not to dismiss the clusterfuck effect P&W have.

Anyway they can't get there from here, the are stuck at Go far as story line goes and can not pass Living Daylights to get to Golden Gun

I am really scared of what Purvis and Wade would do with the amnesia storyline.