The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

Post by **carl stromberg** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:39 pm

I think everyone agrees with me and BJMMDS that Daniel Craig is not a "big", wildly popular film star, as some people suggest!

I see Daniel Craig as being somewhere in the middle of Philip Seymour Hoffman and Sean Pertwee.

It will be interesting to see if he gets some nice parts in the future.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:58 pm

Craig's 'career compass' may be determined in November 2008 with Bond 22, for the other 3 projects he has been linked to do not look like anything special.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:40 am

Kristatos wrote: As I have said, there will be some moviegoers who will be put off Bond 22 by the new direction the series has taken, and another group of people who were not previously Bond fans who will be drawn in by Craig, and Bond 22 will stand or fall on which group is the larger of the two.

You make it sound like there were no people who liked the previous films and the new direction started by CR.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:41 am

Of course there were those who went to see CR, for it did $592 million worldwide. Did they like the 'new' direction enough to warrant their return to the theatres in November 2008? Was it more curiosity generated from hype over substance? We get that result in 11 months.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:40 am

carl stromberg wrote:I think everyone agrees with me and BJMMDS that Daniel Craig is not a "big", wildly popular film star, as some people suggest!

I don't know many that are suggesting he is this huge, massive blockbuster star yet, even the more rabid Craig fans over on MI6.

Let's keep it all in perpective shall we. Craig is the new Bond. Many Bond fans out there like the new Bond. It is as simple as that. I was not a massive Daniel Craig fan before Bond, even if I do think he was cool in Layer Cake and Munich. I just think he is good as the new Bond.

For Craig to succeed beyond Bond, he has to start choosing decent, blockbuster-type film roles, but as Stocks said earlier, it may compromise his own beliefs as an actor, wanting to opt out for more indie type roles instead, and shun the limelight.

But as long as he remains playing Bond, he will remain successful. It goes with the territory of being James Bond. It is the franchise that ultimately sells and puts bums on seats, not Daniel Craig.

Whether Craig's other films do well or not during his tenure as Bond is totally irrelevant. It will not make one scrap bit of difference to Bond 22, or Bond 23. Anyone thinking otherwise are completely fooling themselves and living in denial.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:42 am

bjmdds wrote:Of course there were those who went to see CR, for it did $592 million worldwide. Did they like the 'new' direction enough to warrant their return to the theatres in November 2008? Was it more curiosity generated from hype over substance? We get that result in 11 months.

Take my word for it bj. Bond 22 will be more successful than CR.

You heard it here first, folks......

Post by **Kristatos** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:44 pm

stockslivevan wrote:
Kristatos wrote: As I have said, there will be some moviegoers who will be put off Bond 22 by the new direction the series has taken, and another group of people who were not previously Bond fans who will be drawn in by Craig, and Bond 22 will stand or fall on which group is the larger of the two.
You make it sound like there were no people who liked the previous films and the new direction started by CR.

There were, but they are not that relevant to my overall argument, since they will mostly go to see a Bond film no matter who is in it.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:49 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Of course there were those who went to see CR, for it did $592 million worldwide. Did they like the 'new' direction enough to warrant their return to the theatres in November 2008? Was it more curiosity generated from hype over substance? We get that result in 11 months.
Take my word for it bj. Bond 22 will be more successful than CR.

You heard it here first, folks......

If you say so Sweeney. Do I dare say "Tic..."? I know you will be there opening weekend with Mrs. Sweeney with a big grin on your face at the start of the film when Craig's Bond tortures Mr. White in kind. The question for me is will you still have that happy look on your face upon leaving the theatre, 130 miniutes later?

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:08 pm

I doubt that Craig will be hampered by a trilogy of TGC interfering with his other selected projects. It looks like TGC will have difficulty topping $50-$60 million in the USA and it seems to have leveled off in the UK as well. This was to have been a 'blockbuster' film, with a huge budget;however, it appears to be a 'one and done' scenario. I known the Sweenster does not put stock in this debacle affecting Craig's career, but how must the studio executives be feeling about putting Craig/Kidman/Green in any future lavish productions?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:45 pm

What makes you think they were even considering another Craig/Kidman/Green film in the first place?

Post by **Kristatos** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:51 pm

stockslivevan wrote:What makes you think they were even considering another Craig/Kidman/Green film in the first place?

The fact that The Golden Compass was based on the first book in a trilogy?

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:06 am

stockslivevan wrote:What makes you think they were even considering another Craig/Kidman/Green film in the first place?

I also find it interesting that Craig appreciates the morals of the atheist author of these books. That is his right, but I find Craig's moral compass off base which relates back to his earlier comments 'in this day and age, we do not really know who the bad guys are in the world, but with Bond, we do', inferring anti-USA rhetoric. http://www.scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw17514.html

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:26 am

Kristatos wrote:
stockslivevan wrote:What makes you think they were even considering another Craig/Kidman/Green film in the first place?
The fact that The Golden Compass was based on the first book in a trilogy?

Oh, I was thinking outside the Golden Compass.

It's a no brainer that they won't get together to do a second installment already.

Post by **bjmdds** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:37 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Of course there were those who went to see CR, for it did $592 million worldwide. Did they like the 'new' direction enough to warrant their return to the theatres in November 2008? Was it more curiosity generated from hype over substance? We get that result in 11 months.
Take my word for it bj. Bond 22 will be more successful than CR.

You heard it here first, folks......

I doubt it Sweeney, when you analyze the scenario. CR went up against the Penguins in 2006, which defeated it every week in the USA;however, Happy Feet did not have the international draw needed to compete internationally. This time, The Bourne Mimicry(aka,007), will be head to head with yet another animated, but MORE internationally successful film, Madagascar:The Crate Escape. The first film did $532 million worldwide and will have more family appeal than TBM with Craig, November 7, 2008. Factor in the release of Harry Potter two weeks later and NO overhype of Craig's film, with a continuation theme from CR to boot, and you have less interest by the public. Those that will see Craig in 2008 will be more of his fans than Bond fans, IMHO, and he will be standing on his own merit. The UK was maxed out at the box office with CR, and with HP being released, with Madagascar II, you have a scenario that Eon and Haggis and Forster may not realize. Craig was defeated by the penguins in 2006 in the USA, and now the "Crate Escape" may do the same in 2008.

Post by **Kristatos** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:27 pm

bjmdds wrote:[I doubt it Sweeney, when you analyze the scenario. CR went up against the Penguins in 2006, which defeated it every week in the USA

One minor correction, HF defeated CR every weekend in the USA. If you look at the weekly, rather than the weekend charts, CR did beat out HF a couple of times, thanks to higher midweek grosses. Personally I hate making box office predictions - my gut instinct tells me that Bond 22 will do slightly better than CR, but I wouldn't like to confidently state that this will happen, because if I had those sort of predictive powers, I'd use them to win the lottery.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:21 pm

bjmdds wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Of course there were those who went to see CR, for it did $592 million worldwide. Did they like the 'new' direction enough to warrant their return to the theatres in November 2008? Was it more curiosity generated from hype over substance? We get that result in 11 months.
Take my word for it bj. Bond 22 will be more successful than CR.

You heard it here first, folks......
I doubt it Sweeney, when you analyze the scenario. CR went up against the Penguins in 2006, which defeated it every week in the USA;however, Happy Feet did not have the international draw needed to compete internationally. This time, The Bourne Mimicry(aka,007), will be head to head with yet another animated, but MORE internationally successful film, Madagascar:The Crate Escape. The first film did $532 million worldwide and will have more family appeal than TBM with Craig, November 7, 2008. Factor in the release of Harry Potter two weeks later and NO overhype of Craig's film, with a continuation theme from CR to boot, and you have less interest by the public. Those that will see Craig in 2008 will be more of his fans than Bond fans, IMHO, and he will be standing on his own merit. The UK was maxed out at the box office with CR, and with HP being released, with Madagascar II, you have a scenario that Eon and Haggis and Forster may not realize. Craig was defeated by the penguins in 2006 in the USA, and now the "Crate Escape" may do the same in 2008.

Well now. One of us will be right come this time next year. It'll be fun to find out who.....

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:59 am

You and Dogbond were correct that CR would do over $100 million in the USA. I was correct that Happy Feet would outdo CR in the USA. It's a tie. Next year, the tie will be broken. Will the 'Steve McQueen-looking' Bond be outdone by 'The Crate Escape'?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:49 am

bjmdds wrote:You and Dogbond were correct that CR would do over $100 million in the USA. I was correct that Happy Feet would outdo CR in the USA. It's a tie. Next year, the tie will be broken. Will the 'Steve McQueen-looking' Bond be outdone by 'The Crate Escape'?

Given that every family film managed to outgross Bond, it's quite easily predictable that Bond 22 will make less than The Crate Escape. I mean this has been happening since GoldenEye went up against Toy Story. Both successful (ala CR and HP) yet one obviously won more appeal.

I doubt there's gonna be a switch between them. What family would have their kids go see a film with sex and violence when they have the choice to have them watch a movie about talking toys and dancing penguins?

I know you want the Craig Bonds to look bad by saying "HA! Bond beaten by a movie with dancing penguins!" but can't you make a more balanced perspective such as having Bond against Mission Impossible and Bourne? Both spy series which have beaten Bond in the past. Even the spy spoof Austin Powers was more popular than Bond. If you adjust inflation from 1980 - Present, Bond only reaches at #10 in domestics.

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:55 pm

http://buzzsugar.com/774186 Are you surprised Damon's Bourne outdid Craig's Bond, again? I see NO listing of Craig or CR. I guess all of the tabloid hype surrounding CR was just that....PURE HYPE.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:51 am

Looking at all the other nominations, I'm not surprised CR didn't get listed anywhere.

I would have mistaken this for the MTV Movie nominees. Also I should note, it looks as if they only nominated films from this year.

And when was the last time a Bond film didn't get nominated for People Choice?