The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

katied · Post by **katied** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:51 am

The rumours are just that.I think people are reading too much into everything that is being posted on certain boards(this is ESPECIALLY true of MI6.)and it gets taken as being ABSOLUTELY true.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:06 pm

The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA, being slaughtered at the box office by I Am Legend and Alvin And The Chipmunks. TGC only took in $2.6 million for the evening vs. $30 million for The Legend and $14 million for the Chipmunks. This will be a huge blow to the Kidman/Craig/Green express. Facts, not rumours.

Post by **carl stromberg** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:24 pm

The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA, being slaughtered at the box office by I Am Legend and Alvin And The Chipmunks.

First the penguins, now the chipmunks!

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:24 pm

Correct Carl. The results are in and it 'ain't' looking too good for team Kidman/Craig/Green in the USA with ONLY $9 million taken in TOTAL for the second weekend of TGC. A $180 million project will fail to break even, unless there is an all out rush internationally to see this. Three Craig film choices this year, none of them successful. In addition, the 35 USA theatres that bothered to show Forster's 'Kite' movie brought in under $500,000 as well. Yes in deed, Craig may finally realize that Bond may very well be his only claim to fame at 39 going on 40. Yes Sweeney, I can hear you now, across the oceans, saying wait until Bond 22 for Craig to redeem his career. By then, at this rate, what career is there to redeem? What other prime choice roles has Craig signed on for that will deliver him from box office evil?

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:26 pm

carl stromberg wrote:
The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA, being slaughtered at the box office by I Am Legend and Alvin And The Chipmunks.
First the penguins, now the chipmunks!

Alvin the chipmunk out draws TGC. It speaks volumes Carl.

Post by **Kristatos** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:07 pm

bjmdds wrote:In addition, the 35 USA theatres that bothered to show Forster's 'Kite' movie brought in under $500,000 as well.

It had a similar screen average to Alvin and the Chipmunks, though, which is the only way you can meaningfully compare a limited release like The Kite Runner to a super-wide release like Alvin.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:49 am

bjmdds wrote:The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA

As if it weren't that way last week. It already looked like it was going south with the lackluster opening weekend.

I count The Invasion and Golden Compass as flops for Craig. What was the third flop you were talking about? So far those two films have been Craig's only post-Bond work.

I like to note something on the whole "Daniel Craig's box office proves he's not popular" topic. Just because an actor's films at the box office aren't as impressive as say, Will Smith (who keeps making a box office hit film after film) doesn't make him unpopular. Would you call Johnny Depp unpopular? So far his only big films were Pirates and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, while the rest go on without much attention, despite that he gets in the polls and is considered popular.

Could Daniel Craig be having a similar career as Depp?

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:34 am

stockslivevan wrote:
bjmdds wrote:The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA
As if it weren't that way last week. It already looked like it was going south with the lackluster opening weekend.

I count The Invasion and Golden Compass as flops for Craig. What was the third flop you were talking about? So far those two films have been Craig's only post-Bond work.

I like to note something on the whole "Daniel Craig's box office proves he's not popular" topic. Just because an actor's films at the box office aren't as impressive as say, Will Smith (who keeps making a box office hit film after film) doesn't make him unpopular. Would you call Johnny Depp unpopular? So far his only big films were Pirates and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, while the rest go on without much attention, despite that he gets in the polls and is considered popular.

Could Daniel Craig be having a similar career as Depp?

Infamous is the third,left over from January 2007 closing. It went nowhere fast. Craig now being compared to Depp Stocks?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:58 am

Infamous is the third,left over from January 2007 closing.

Actually it was released in the Fall of 2006 and it was limited released, barely got promoted as far as Fall films go, hardly near what The Invasion and Golden Compass was given, and Craig once again played a supporting role without much publicity besides production photographs

Craig now being compared to Depp Stocks?

Is there something wrong with the comparison? Do tell me. But I don't think so. Like Depp, Craig isn't your typical Hollywood actor who'd take an offer at the slightest, he's been taking a lot different roles for his own interest as an actor instead of financial gain and he's had flops. That's why he's respected as an actor, because he's admired for his determination.

Again, he isn't the only respected actor to have a flop or two.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:29 am

bjmdds wrote:Correct Carl. The results are in and it 'ain't' looking too good for team Kidman/Craig/Green in the USA with ONLY $9 million taken in TOTAL for the second weekend of TGC. A $180 million project will fail to break even, unless there is an all out rush internationally to see this. Three Craig film choices this year, none of them successful. In addition, the 35 USA theatres that bothered to show Forster's 'Kite' movie brought in under $500,000 as well. Yes in deed, Craig may finally realize that Bond may very well be his only claim to fame at 39 going on 40. Yes Sweeney, I can hear you now, across the oceans, saying wait until Bond 22 for Craig to redeem his career. By then, at this rate, what career is there to redeem? What other prime choice roles has Craig signed on for that will deliver him from box office evil?

Like I said earlier, why don't you compare Craig's career to that other blonde Hollywood star - Robert Redford.

CR is Craig's Butch Cassidy. Redford had a string of BO flops straight after that, yet still managed to pull it round to be a huge star 4 years later....

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:35 am

bjmdds wrote:
carl stromberg wrote:
The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA, being slaughtered at the box office by I Am Legend and Alvin And The Chipmunks.
First the penguins, now the chipmunks!
Alvin the chipmunk out draws TGC. It speaks volumes Carl.

TGC sounds a crap film to me. I have no interest in seeing it whatsoever, even if I am a Craig fan. This should also speak volumes.

I have said before and I'll say it again - Craig is not, I repeat NOT a big movie star - yet! He doesn't have the power to pull in huge BO figures, even if he is in the film for only 10 minutes. The name Bond drew the figures in for CR, not Craig. And Bond 22 will draw the figures in, regardless of Craig's other outings.

Why is everyone suddenly acting so suprised by all this.....? Do you all think Craig is now a huge BO star or something, and are all shocked that his new films are doing badly? Because let me tell you a little secret - he ain't no big movie star..................yet!

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:45 am

Like I said earlier, Craig is more of a character actor than a movie star.

Post by **007** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:25 pm

Now that the curse of Craig/Kidman has struck another film I think that Nicole Kidman should be cast as the female lead in Bond 22 so they can go for a hat-trick.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:06 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
carl stromberg wrote:
The FACTS are that The Golden Compass headed way south Friday in the USA, being slaughtered at the box office by I Am Legend and Alvin And The Chipmunks.
First the penguins, now the chipmunks!
Alvin the chipmunk out draws TGC. It speaks volumes Carl.
TGC sounds a crap film to me. I have no interest in seeing it whatsoever, even if I am a Craig fan. This should also speak volumes.

I have said before and I'll say it again - Craig is not, I repeat NOT a big movie star - yet! He doesn't have the power to pull in huge BO figures, even if he is in the film for only 10 minutes. The name Bond drew the figures in for CR, not Craig. And Bond 22 will draw the figures in, regardless of Craig's other outings.

Why is everyone suddenly acting so suprised by all this.....? Do you all think Craig is now a huge BO star or something, and are all shocked that his new films are doing badly? Because let me tell you a little secret - he ain't no big movie star..................yet!

This debate does not really apply to you Sweeney. It applies to the lovefests at MI6 and CB.net that see DC in a different light than you do. You are a realist. The other two sites I mentioned, that the Jetsetter and the Python frequent, are for Craig 'idealists" who DO believe DC is worthy of an Academy award by their praise of him. My only discrepancy with your logic is that Craig 'ain't' no big movie star...now...or ever. Other than that, we are basically on the same page.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:11 pm

007 wrote:Now that the curse of Craig/Kidman has struck another film I think that Nicole Kidman should be cast as the female lead in Bond 22 so they can go for a hat-trick.

Interesting suggestion for the flawed duo's next film. I think their 'combo' is now officially finished. Naomi Watts longs to work with Craig. She should watch out for what she wishes for, unless she seeks the same fate as Nicole.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:20 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Correct Carl. The results are in and it 'ain't' looking too good for team Kidman/Craig/Green in the USA with ONLY $9 million taken in TOTAL for the second weekend of TGC. A $180 million project will fail to break even, unless there is an all out rush internationally to see this. Three Craig film choices this year, none of them successful. In addition, the 35 USA theatres that bothered to show Forster's 'Kite' movie brought in under $500,000 as well. Yes in deed, Craig may finally realize that Bond may very well be his only claim to fame at 39 going on 40. Yes Sweeney, I can hear you now, across the oceans, saying wait until Bond 22 for Craig to redeem his career. By then, at this rate, what career is there to redeem? What other prime choice roles has Craig signed on for that will deliver him from box office evil?
Like I said earlier, why don't you compare Craig's career to that other blonde Hollywood star - Robert Redford.

CR is Craig's Butch Cassidy. Redford had a string of BO flops straight after that, yet still managed to pull it round to be a huge star 4 years later....

Flashbacks Of A Fool;Defiance;I Lucifer; all three films DC is now involved with. Do you expect his breakout role in this group?

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:22 pm

stockslivevan wrote:Like I said earlier, Craig is more of a character actor than a movie star.

Not according to the Makeshift's MI6 group's admiration society. I happen to agree with you on this.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:18 pm

bjmdds wrote:
stockslivevan wrote:Like I said earlier, Craig is more of a character actor than a movie star.
Not according to the Makeshift's MI6 group's admiration society.

I recall "DANIEL CRAIG IS A GOOD/GREAT/EXCELLENT ACTOR" being repeated but I do not recall Craig being referred to as a mega movie star. And another note, none of his post-CR films have been given the same admiration as CR and pre-Bond flicks. At least that's how I recall it, because no one even talks about those films.

I agree with Sweeney on Craig and films. With the exception of CR, Munich, Layer Cake and a few others, he seems to have a knack for choosing lousy flicks to work on. Golden Compass is the last film Craig joined before being offered Bond, so who knows, maybe he has more opportunities when it comes to working on film now, but like what Sweeney said, we'll see.

But I still do not think he will become a giant movie star outside of Bond. He'll remain a well regarded character actor like Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Johnny Depp and that's not bad. That's as close as it gets near Connery's superstardom when it comes to all the Bond actors.

Post by **Kristatos** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:29 pm

bjmdds wrote:Flashbacks Of A Fool;Defiance;I Lucifer; all three films DC is now involved with. Do you expect his breakout role in this group?

I still fail to see the relevance of this debate. Craig doesn't strike me as the type of actor who wants megastardom (witness his reluctance to take on the role of Bond), and the idea that his only doing indie films outside Bond will somehow hurt Bond 22's box office is laughable. As I have said, there will be some moviegoers who will be put off Bond 22 by the new direction the series has taken, and another group of people who were not previously Bond fans who will be drawn in by Craig, and Bond 22 will stand or fall on which group is the larger of the two. Joe Q. Multiplex won't decide whether to see it by poring over Box Office Mojo and analyzing the ticket sales of Craig's (or Marc Forster's) non-Bond movies, any more than they based their decision to see DAD on the box office of Once Were Warriors or The Thomas Crown Affair.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:54 pm

Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Flashbacks Of A Fool;Defiance;I Lucifer; all three films DC is now involved with. Do you expect his breakout role in this group?
I still fail to see the relevance of this debate. Craig doesn't strike me as the type of actor who wants megastardom (witness his reluctance to take on the role of Bond), and the idea that his only doing indie films outside Bond will somehow hurt Bond 22's box office is laughable. As I have said, there will be some moviegoers who will be put off Bond 22 by the new direction the series has taken, and another group of people who were not previously Bond fans who will be drawn in by Craig, and Bond 22 will stand or fall on which group is the larger of the two. Joe Q. Multiplex won't decide whether to see it by poring over Box Office Mojo and analyzing the ticket sales of Craig's (or Marc Forster's) non-Bond movies, any more than they based their decision to see DAD on the box office of Once Were Warriors or The Thomas Crown Affair.

Well put, Kristatos.

It's refreshing to hear this balanced viewpoint from an anti-Craiger.