The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Dr. No]

Re: The Southern states feeling mistreated: Southernerners claim that phrases like "The War Of Northern Aggression" are said jokingly, but I'm not so sure.

Once upon a time it think it was sort of serious. But I think it was tongue in cheek mostly. At the time of the Civil War many thought of it as the second war of independence.

The aftermath was devastating whole cities were wiped off the map. Sherman's march to the sea reads like eastern European war lords summer vacation.
But today's history books tell us the victorious union army only fought to free the salves. And You can't get a better cause any where in history. But That same army right after 1865 went out across the west in wave of genocide. Continuing such policies in to the early 20th century (Banana Wars too)

Lincoln's policy didn't threaten slavery, his plans to build things up north upset the Southerners that didn't agree with his polices / Yankee shovel read projects (by Yankees for Yankees) and didn't wan their money to go towards it. Hell New York City want to join the succession, but by themselves as a free trade zone, No NY state, no USA.

My affection for the south comes form living here none of my ancestors nor my wife's were part of the war on either side. Most of our ancestors immigrated to the US during the early 20th century and late 19th, a time which hides a whole other untold history of intolerance and ugliness. I believe America is for all, all men created equal is not a slogan it is a promise. Too much of our history is fill with unbelievable intolerance for our fellow man, if you were not accepted locally and had the wrong nationality, accent, color skin, gender America was a cruel place. We are trying to be a place that lives up to "all men created equal" finally.

I love history and look for the real history left behind ignored by state approved text books. If there is a real story behind a historic event in the US I want to know about. And if it turns out to be less than faltering of our ideals I know not to disbelieved it. Part of the hidden history is what happened to the south.

Know The Real Reasons for the Civil War
http://chronicle.augusta.com/opinion/le ... -civil-war

Causes of the Civil War
http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war

Top Five Reasons for the Civil War
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civ ... il_war.htm

[Dr. No]

Los Angeles Times is giving out an estimate of $75 million for opening weekend in the U.S.:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/en ... 2981.story

I saw it today at a 10:05 a.m. showing. Not many people there but it's not officially open and that's awfully early.

and?.................what did you think of the film....honestly?

That was one of the first showing in the us wasn't it?

[Napoleon Solo]

Los Angeles Times is giving out an estimate of $75 million for opening weekend in the U.S.:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/en ... 2981.story

I saw it today at a 10:05 a.m. showing. Not many people there but it's not officially open and that's awfully early.

and?.................what did you think of the film....honestly?

Didn't like it as much as The Sweeney, but better than most people here. Bardem not as good as advertised. Thomas Newman's score better than advertised. The last half hour weakens the more I think about it.

I realize many here don't care about spoilers, but....

[spoil]M's death is very abrupt. She has a little trouble getting around -- something to be expected for an 80-year-old woman trying to get away from a fire fight -- and she cuts her hands in a tunnel. But as soon as Silva expires, boom, she doesn't feel well and dies.

Bardem goes the proverbial Bridge Too Far in the climatic sequence. It's as if he's saying, "Look at me! I can act!" It was more distracting than menacing.

When M dies, I'm reminded of a line attributed to Peter Hunt. "James Bond doesn't cry."

The U.K. politics stuff is too long and involved.

I knew the spoilers going in, but I thought the notion that Eve would end up being Moneypenny was telegraphed and not very subtle.[/spoil]

[katied]

Dr. No:I have to tell you:My dad grew up in Virginia in the 1950's , and the version of Civil War history he got was *skewed* to say the least. He also saw black-only water fountains when he lived there. Those were different times.

[Napoleon Solo]

Los Angeles Times is giving out an estimate of $75 million for opening weekend in the U.S.:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/en ... 2981.story

I saw it today at a 10:05 a.m. showing. Not many people there but it's not officially open and that's awfully early.

and?.................what did you think of the film....honestly?

That was one of the first showing in the us wasn't it?

This same theater had a showing at 12:07 a.m. on Wednesday (0:07 military time) and again at 12:01 a.m. today. But it was an early showing, yes.

[bjmdds]

Bloomberg the omnipotent moronic mayor just started gas rationing here by alternating days corresponding to our license plates, just like the New Jersey traitorous Christie, the verbose windbag did. 75% of the gas stations are STILL closed..........FEMA has done little on Staten Island and Long Island.........NO sign of Oh-bama since his photo op here. I guess he calls Christie once in a while as well as Cuomo and Bloomberg. That must take a lot of effort to lift a phone head piece. There is a LOT of dissension here in the USA to the results but I blame those that stayed home and did not vote and only complain about it. Romney got 3 million FEWER Republican votes than McCain did There's the difference. Cr-egg's film has little buzz here in NYC. I saw his mug on a transit bus driving by. I do not see Bond 23 being a blockbuster here at all. This weekend yes, then the descent down. Nobody likes Cr-egg here except little kids in high school who don't know any better and were raised on MTV grunge and rap music.

[English Agent]

Los Angeles Times is giving out an estimate of $75 million for opening weekend in the U.S.:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/en ... 2981.story

I saw it today at a 10:05 a.m. showing. Not many people there but it's not officially open and that's awfully early.

and?.................what did you think of the film....honestly?

Didn't like it as much as The Sweeney, but better than most people here. Bardem not as good as advertised. Thomas Newman's score better than advertised. The last half hour weakens the more I think about it.

I realize many here don't care about spoilers, but....

[spoil]M's death is very abrupt. She has a little trouble getting around -- something to be expected for an 80-year-old woman trying to get away from a fire fight -- and she cuts her hands in a tunnel. But as soon as Silva expires, boom, she doesn't feel well and dies.

Bardem goes the proverbial Bridge Too Far in the climatic sequence. It's as if he's saying, "Look at me! I can act!" It was more distracting than menacing.

When M dies, I'm reminded of a line attributed to Peter Hunt. "James Bond doesn't cry."

The U.K. politics stuff is too long and involved.

I knew the spoilers going in, but I thought the notion that Eve would end up being Moneypenny was telegraphed and not very subtle.[/spoil]

Well i've seen it twice....generally thought it was pretty good, but it was a bit slow and long in places, at least the film was watchable unlike QOS.
I liked the Chinese segments of the film, and the ending in Scotland was good, and the gun battles in London.

[Dr. No]

Dr. No:I have to tell you:My dad grew up in Virginia in the 1950's , and the version of Civil War history he got was *skewed* to say the least. He also saw black-only water fountains when he lived there. Those were different times.

Well there is the history approved by the victors and then the history of the people who resent being conquered.

Racism in the south got worse after the war and blossomed in the early 20th. Woodrow Wilson was the most racist president ever elected and it was the south that put him there. In fact list the wort offenders to civil liberty in the 20th century and it was the south behind it. Not every one was like that but too many were. When our ancestor got to America they were trying it keep their heads down, learn enough of the language to work, feed their family and they were hated for it. Some places they live (North and south) had places that wouldn't sell to them. No where near the same sin of slavery and racism, but America was not the Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we would like to think it was.

[Omega]

Opening weekend BO game:
Napoleon Solo & Omega $65-70 million
Sony $67
LA Times $75
Dr No 80

Am I missing anybody?

[English Agent]

Opening weekend BO game:
Napoleon Solo & Omega $65-70 million
Sony $67
LA Times $75
Dr No 80

Am I missing anybody?

Right....taking all things into consideration, i think SF could have a opening weekend take in North America of around $80 mil.

[Omega]

Opening weekend BO game:
Napoleon Solo & Omega $65-70 million
Sony $67
LA Times $75
Dr No 80

Am I missing anybody?

Right....taking all things into consideration, i think SF could have a opening weekend take in North America of around $80 mil.

Got it! Kris , Sweeney, Mazer, BJ want to get a guess down?

[bjmdds]

$78-82 million. Anything under $70 million would be abysmal for Eon here.

[Omega]

$78-82 million. Anything under $70 million would be abysmal for Eon here.

Got it!

Opening weekend BO game:
Napoleon Solo & Omega $65-70 million
Sony $67
LA Times $75
Dr No & EA $80
BJ $78-82

[English Agent]

$78-82 million. Anything under $70 million would be abysmal for Eon here.

I agree, i mean its 4 years since QOS, and i know that film was bolstered by the success of Casino Royale, but time has moved on and ticket prices have risen, so anything, but a huge opening in the US will not be good for the franchise.

[Mazer Rackham]

$78-82 million. Anything under $70 million would be abysmal for Eon here.

I agree, i mean its 4 years since QOS, and i know that film was bolstered by the success of Casino Royale, but time has moved on and ticket prices have risen, so anything, but a huge opening in the US will not be good for the franchise.

60M guess, I don't see it beating QOS with the way the markets have been here. With good market condition's 80M should be achievable. Willing to be surprised. Although anything under 75m is a step backwards.

Bond has 3,505 theaters only Wreck-It Ralph has more.

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2012 adjusted comparisons

GE $49.3M
TND $44.9M
TWINE $57.3M
DAD $66.4M
CR $51.1M
QOS $77.1M 

Here's the rub, if Skyfall can get the exact number of attendance of QOS/Quark it's a $688m film, based on a 2012 average. Although the inflation rates in the EU are much more than I expected. Average tickets prices are one thing the premium prices being paid in German for instance and the UK are astounding.

[bjmdds]

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[bjmdds]

$78-82 million. Anything under $70 million would be abysmal for Eon here.

I agree, i mean its 4 years since QOS, and i know that film was bolstered by the success of Casino Royale, but time has moved on and ticket prices have risen, so anything, but a huge opening in the US will not be good for the franchise.

60M guess, I don't see it beating QOS with the way the markets have been here. Willing to be surprised. Although anything under 75m is a step backwards.

Bond has 3,505 theaters only Wreck-It Ralph has more.

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2012 adjusted comparisons

GE $49.3M
TND $44.9M
TWINE $57.3M
DAD $66.4M
CR $51.1M
QOS $77.1M 

Here's the rub, if Skyfall can get the exact number of attendance of QOS/Quark it's a $688m film, based on a 2012 average. Although the inflation rates in the EU are much more than I expected. Average tickets prices are one thing the premium prices being paid in German for instance and the UK are astounding.

I hope you are correct Q, but I doubt it simply because it's cold here in NYC and the east coast so people will go to the movies and there really is nothing else playing of significance. IF you are correct, and again I hope you are, $60 million would be awful for Eon here, just awful, but people here are quite ridiculous as the election has just shown with a 7.9% unemployment rate and a $16 trillion national debt, which Harry Reid NOW says he wants increased to $19.4 trillion , and we re-elected this crumb, so you never know what madness befalls these citizens of the USA.

[Napoleon Solo]

$78-82 million. Anything under $70 million would be abysmal for Eon here.

I agree, i mean its 4 years since QOS, and i know that film was bolstered by the success of Casino Royale, but time has moved on and ticket prices have risen, so anything, but a huge opening in the US will not be good for the franchise.

60M guess, I don't see it beating QOS with the way the markets have been here. Willing to be surprised. Although anything under 75m is a step backwards.

Bond has 3,505 theaters only Wreck-It Ralph has more.

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2012 adjusted comparisons

GE $49.3M
TND $44.9M
TWINE $57.3M
DAD $66.4M
CR $51.1M
QOS $77.1M 

Here's the rub, if Skyfall can get the exact number of attendance of QOS/Quark it's a $688m film, based on a 2012 average. Although the inflation rates in the EU are much more than I expected. Average tickets prices are one thing the premium prices being paid in German for instance and the UK are astounding.

Here's how I came up with my estimate, which I freely admit is guess work:

I was thinking $65 million-$70 million puts you in the neighborhood of something like 2011's Thor and Captain America movies. Actually, it'd mean *more* people went to see Skyfall because those two Marvel films had higher 3D ticket prices (which Skyfall doesn't) in addition to Imax.

Second, and this is anecdotal evidence, I was not sensing a lot of interest outside of the hard-core fan base. I'd see things about how the Opening Ceremonies of the Summer Olympics would gin up interest. But I knew well-read people who weren't aware and this was right at the time of the Olympics. I could see how it would help in the U.K. but not in the U.S. nearly as much.

I was tempted to raise it based on the European ticket sales. But, using my local theater as an example, I saw it had only one screen scheduled for Skyfall. It had at least 3 for other movies, including The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises. So I opted to stand pat at $65 million-$70 million. We'll see by Sunday afternoon.

[stockslivevan]

Gonna go to an IMAX screening with my cousin today. Looking forward to it.

[Mazer Rackham]

I hope you are correct Q, but I doubt it simply because it's cold here in NYC and the east coast so people will go to the movies and there really is nothing else playing of significance. IF you are correct, and again I hope you are, $60 million would be awful for Eon here, just awful, but people here are quite ridiculous as the election has just shown with a 7.9% unemployment rate and a $16 trillion national debt, which Harry Reid NOW says he wants increased to $19.4 trillion , and we re-elected this crumb, so you never know what madness befalls these citizens of the USA.

Possibly, 60m is low ball. In the summer there is a correlation to temperature and attendance. It dependent on how bad winter weather is and where.

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Athena departs...Brutus arrives
Tom Moore, Lead Meteorologist, The Weather Channel
Nov .8, 2012 2:45 pm ET
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- Winter Storm Athena continues to move out to sea

- Rain and wind along the coast of Massachusetts will wind down overnight

- Much warmer temperatures will move in by the weekend

- Friday highs will be in the 40s and 50s in New York and much of New England and 50s from Pennsylvania and New Jersey to the Virginias.
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- The next winter storm (Brutus) takes shape in the Northwest and northern Rockies into Friday.

- Rain and showers will continue tonight in western Oregon, northern California and the lower elevations of Idaho and western Wyoming.

- Snow increases in western and northern Montana throughout tonight and lingers into Saturday.

- Strong winds create blizzard conditions in western and northern Montana from later Thursday into Saturday morning.

- Snowfall over 12 inches is possible in western and northern Montana.

- High temperatures Friday will range from the teens to the in Montana, and the 30s and 40s throughout the remainder of the Northwest and northern Rockies.

- Friday highs in the 60s along the Front Range
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- The majority of the region will be dry and mostly sunny.

- Snow increases tonight and Friday across North Dakota with blizzard conditions possible at times later Friday and Friday night.

- High temperatures hold in the 30s and 40s from North Dakota to northern Michigan.

- Highs in the 50s and 60s across the heart of the Midwest Friday with 70s on Kansas and Oklahoma
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- Dry and mainly sunny skies are expected over the entire region.

- Increasing winds across much of Texas Friday

- High temperatures mainly in the 60s occur east of the Mississippi River with 70s and 80s west of the river.

- Warm temperatures will prevail across much of the region this weekend.