The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[English Agent]

Broccoli feels superior in intellect to all those around her. It basically inferred above SHE pushed DC down MGM and SONY's throats. I think there is a 60% chance Idris is HER next choice now, with a black MP, and a black Leiter. SHE calls the shots. MGW sleeps all the time. He is see no evil, hear no evil, speak to evil. His half sister wears the pants in that family, and he wears the panties Sweeney, If Idris is Bond, will you officially be one of us and choose a new avatar? Maybe they should remake Rocky and have Jackie Chan in the lead, Matt Damon as Apollo Creed, and Dame Judi Dench as the female manager, Michelle

If Idris, or any other black actor is chosen as Bond, I will officially be one of you and choose a new avatar. Hell, I will be your new ringleader if that ever happened.

'Sweeney' we know this wont happen dont we............i mean can you imagine the public backlash EON would receive.

I mean could you imagine 'Shaft' being played by a white actor like DC ?

Just another silly rumour.....just like the one about the next Bond film being a 2 parter.

[English Agent]

SHE is only 52 and has plenty of time left in her at the helm. MGW is retired.......he shows up out of hibernation, in name only, and as a cameo prop. They should do a scene where he is making pizza pies and DC destroys the front of his shop and flour gets all over MGW's corroding face. Barbara Broccoli:
Born June 18, 1960 (age 52)
Los Angeles, California, U.S.A
Occupation Film producer

'BJ' ......i once saw a comment from someone on the internet, after QOS was released, saying BB should give up being a film producer, and open up a Cake Shop instead!

[007]

Sweeney.....I am in shock You would wash your hands of the franchise with a black Bond? I thought you would accept anything Eon throws at the public. Finally, some sanity. What weirdo avatar would you select when it happens, because it is heading in that direction. Racism is a crock here. Moneypenny is white, as is Felix Leiter. Q is a gadget guru, not a computer geek, and not a child. Political inclusion is deemed necessary by Eon. By doing this, you politically alter the very fabric of the franchise. I am against any redefining of the races in Bond. Put all the NEWLY created characters as they wish. That's fine. BUT, MP and Leiter are now miscast due to politics. As Sweeney has so eloquently stated, a black Bond ENDS it permanently. It's on life support now, in terms of a Bond film quality. Sweeney, I salute your passion as we here all have had since 2005. If Rocky was remade, Apollo Creed cannot be white. If Enter The Dragon was remade, you cannot use a caucasian either. Poetic license has morphed into political correctness.

There is no way on earth I would accept a black Bond. As Gravitys Sillhouette so eloquently wrote on Bond and Beyond forum - `If EON `go black', I'll never go back!'

I wouldn't expect Shaft to be played by a white guy. If EON ever dared to do this, I would be hating the franchise more than you guys here. At least you've all had a few years slowy getting used to the idea that you no longer enjoy the franchise. A black Bond would probably not shock you all as much as it would me.

And you are correct BJ. This is not a racist issue, it is just looking at the obvious. Fleming wrote Bond as a white Englishman. Why would Babs want to deviate from that basic description of what Bond is?

Gravitys Sillhouette was the biggest and loudest anti-Craiger going on MI6 during the Craig Wars and then he seemed to pitch up on CommanderBond a few years later with a different perspective. It's hard to take him seriously.

[bjmdds]

Correct. He did an about face, like Chris Christie here in the USA elections.

[Mazer Rackham]

Whether you like Skyfall or not............it now seems it definitely will be the highest grossing Bond figure wise (ie though not taking inflation into account).

The early weekend estimate just released by Sony, says the film has now taken a mind boggling $287 million, with $156 mil of that earned just this weekend.

The film grossed another estimated $25.7 mil in UK in its second weekend for a running total of $85.8mil....(more than for the entire run of QOS)

In UK and France the 2nd weekend drops have only been around 20-21%, which will give the film a whopping total eventually......in comparison QOS had massive 2nd weekend drops.

Germany grossed $23.9 mil............biggest opening of 2012

and in other smaller European markets, Bond records were smashed!

I went to see 'Skyfall' for a second time on Saturday, and i only managed to just get a ticket for the last performance, as all the previous viewings were booked up in advance!

As you may know 'Skyfall' has had such good weekday grosses in the UK as well.....that it lead to the film having the highest BO gross here ever for a weeks takings!....around $60 mil.

EA

I want to see some of the numbers as the come out next week. I knew what the German attendance number looked like, that total seem a tad high, close to $12 a ticket.

They messed up a good many last week, So I'll look at what we got. Hell BO MOJO is still over counting 9 million or so based on the PR releases.

I guess it is possible to have had 287m with the weekend I just want to double check they aren't double counting the UK.

[English Agent]

Whether you like Skyfall or not............it now seems it definitely will be the highest grossing Bond figure wise (ie though not taking inflation into account).

The early weekend estimate just released by Sony, says the film has now taken a mind boggling $287 million, with $156 mil of that earned just this weekend.

The film grossed another estimated $25.7 mil in UK in its second weekend for a running total of $85.8mil....(more than for the entire run of QOS)

In UK and France the 2nd weekend drops have only been around 20-21%, which will give the film a whopping total eventually......in comparison QOS had massive 2nd weekend drops.

Germany grossed $23.9 mil............biggest opening of 2012

and in other smaller European markets, Bond records were smashed!

I went to see 'Skyfall' for a second time on Saturday, and i only managed to just get a ticket for the last performance, as all the previous viewings were booked up in advance!

As you may know 'Skyfall' has had such good weekday grosses in the UK as well.....that it lead to the film having the highest BO gross here ever for a weeks takings!....around $60 mil.

EA

I want to see some of the numbers as the come out next week. I knew what the German attendance number looked like, that total seem a tad high, close to $12 a ticket.

They messed up a good many last week, So I'll look at what we got. Hell BO MOJO is still over counting 9 million or so based on the PR releases.

Yes, these figures are estimates so far, but they are usually very close to the offical figures given out on Monday.

The estimate numbers for individual countries are out now!

In fact, last weekend the Skyfall figure went up 3 mil or so, after its earlier estimate.

Funny thing these weekend estimates, as the figures are released prior to a film completing its weekend run!

Yes.....I have commented in the past to 'Boxofficemojo' about some of their figures....as they do seem to have problems adding up foreign grosses in particular at times!

EA

[English Agent]

Anyway......it was good to see a Bond film eventually...............i mean we seem to have to wait so long between these films nowadays.

If you take out the awful QOS, it has been 6 years between CR and SF, and 4 yrs betweene DAD and CR!

Lets hope we get to see future Bond films on a 2 or at most 3 year cycle............as i want to see as many films before i die!

[Mazer Rackham]

Yes, these figures are estimates so far, but they are usually very close to the offical figures given out on Monday.

The estimate numbers for individual countries are out now!

In fact, last weekend the Skyfall figure went up 3 mil or so, after its earlier estimate.

Funny thing these weekend estimates, as the figures are released prior to a film completing its weekend run!

Yes.....I have commented in the past to 'Boxofficemojo' about some of their figures....as they do seem to have problems adding up foreign grosses in particular at times!

EA

once there was a release about a week total counting the weekend,it was promptly added to the existing figure essentially doubling it. The headline went out about the high record breaking total, only those paying attention caught the mistake. It was quietly fixed. But still happens today, to name one I think The Dark Knight Rises has some openings counted twice.

What is impressive of their total the UK is 80 million of it.
If France held over as strong they are the first to somewhat imitate the Uk, but then their open was low to begin with. Still on course for attendance numbers.

What is curious is all the little films able to offer some completion this time around.

[The Sweeney]

Skyfall's already outgrossed Quantum of Solace's entire gross in a single week in the UK. Not that far behind CR either.

$ 59,182,873 --> final total gross of 'Die Another Day' in the UK
$ 14,294,312 --> opening weekend 'Die Another Day' in the UK

$105,932,056 --> final total gross of 'Casino Royale' in the UK
$ 25,328,602 --> opening weekend 'Casino Royale' in the UK

$ 80,805,643 --> final total gross of 'Quantum Of Solace' in the UK
$ 25,309,345 --> opening weekend for 'Quantum Of Solace' in the UK

$ 89,973,208 --> final total gross of 'The Dark Knight Rises' in the UK
$ 22,439,915 --> opening weekend for 'The Dark Knight Rises' in the UK

$ 85,800,000 --> total gross so far (9 days counted) of 'Skyfall' in the UK
$ 32,400,000 --> opening weekend for 'Skyfall' in the UK

[English Agent]

Skyfall's already outgrossed Quantum of Solace's entire gross in a single week in the UK. Not that far behind CR either.

$ 59,182,873 --> final total gross of 'Die Another Day' in the UK
$ 14,294,312 --> opening weekend 'Die Another Day' in the UK

$105,932,056 --> final total gross of 'Casino Royale' in the UK
$ 25,328,602 --> opening weekend 'Casino Royale' in the UK

$ 80,805,643 --> final total gross of 'Quantum Of Solace' in the UK
$ 25,309,345 --> opening weekend for 'Quantum Of Solace' in the UK

$ 89,973,208 --> final total gross of 'The Dark Knight Rises' in the UK
$ 22,439,915 --> opening weekend for 'The Dark Knight Rises' in the UK

$ 85,800,000 --> total gross so far (9 days counted) of 'Skyfall' in the UK
$ 32,400,000 --> opening weekend for 'Skyfall' in the UK

What is particularly impressive is the fact that SF's 2nd weekend gross, was bigger than the opening weekend grosses of CR and QOS!

Yes, i know ticket prices are higher, but it goes to show.......

[Mazer Rackham]

No doubt in the UK attendance is hitting new heights. To this point at least.

[The Sweeney]

No doubt in the UK attendance is hitting new heights. To this point at least.

I'm very curious to see how this will do in the US. Will the rave reviews and positive BO buzz in the UK be enough to draw a much bigger audience across the pond?

[English Agent]

No doubt in the UK attendance is hitting new heights. To this point at least.

I'm very curious to see how this will do in the US. Will the rave reviews and positive BO buzz in the UK be enough to draw a much bigger audience across the pond?

Well...US box office analysts keep raising thier expectations as to what SF will achieve in the North American market.

Surely this time a Bond film will surpass the $200 mil+ total gross, i mean QOS should of done after its great first weekend in the US, but it dropped like a bomb afterwards when word of mouth gave the film a thumbs down.

This time, SF should do much better in the US, as its a far better film (IMO) than QOS....in fact i'll eat my cat if it doesnt reach somewhere close to $200mil or surpass it!

Here, my cats done a runner

[Mazer Rackham]

I can just about live with a blonde haired Bond, a black Felix Leiter and a black Moneypenny, but if they make Bond himself black then I will be washing my hands of the franchise. I would start up my own war campaign on EON, far worse than this forum.

Bond is described as a white English male, and that's how it should stay. This is not a racist issue here. If a new Shaft movie is released with a white guy playing the main part, I would have equal problems with it.

If Babs dare to cast a black man playing Bond, she may as well say goodbye to the franchise, as it would be committing commercial suicide.

I'd bet they think they could do it and make it a success mate. Nothing in the last ten years has shown them otherwise. Babs gutted an institution, defiled the creators memory, destroyed her own fathers legacy, and she keeps getting praise for it. She can pretty much do d**n well what she pleases. If she want a affirmative action Bond she'll get one, he'll be lauded as the best to ever take the role. Put half the budget or more on promotions will have everyone believing Fleming intended Bond to be Scottish by way of Africa.

The critics will sit down to it, it will be different, gabbing the audience in different way, it will be praised, and people will cheer it. She wont care if you come back, it's a new audience she wants hoping it will continue to sustain the series.

She case a uncharismatic, uncouth little man with odd looks, short temper and foul mouth, yet he embodies Ian Fleming's Bond as nobody else ever could.
Sure, she wouldn't be making a Bond movie but she hasn't done that in ten years.

[Mazer Rackham]

No doubt in the UK attendance is hitting new heights. To this point at least.

I'm very curious to see how this will do in the US. Will the rave reviews and positive BO buzz in the UK be enough to draw a much bigger audience across the pond?

Number 1 weekend then a big drop off, they question will be can it regain its foot footing or if the onslaught of newer movies keep it from regaining traction.

UK Buzz I think is more of a help in Europe. The election is dominating everything, after Tuesday I guess we'll see. Gore/Lieberman helped industry by going the movies during all the recounts.

[Napoleon Solo]

What to watch in U.S.-North America:

1. Is the opening weekend $70 million or more?

2. How much does Skyfall decline in the second weeken?. For Casino, the second-week falloff was 24 percent. For Quantum it was 60 percent.

3. What does the final Twilight movie do its opening weekend (Skyfall's second weekend)? The first Twilight movie opened during Quantum's second weekend. You can say (and it'd be true) that Twilight's audience is different than 007, but it still affects non-Bond fans/casual Bond fans.

It's hard for me to gauge how much interest there is the U.S. outside of hard-core Bond fans. Today, Nov. 4, the New York Times had a special section devoted to Holiday Movies. It barely mentioned Skyfall, just listing it among movies coming out along with a still from the movie. The lead article was a profile of Daniel Day Lewis. I don't think there was a Skyfall ad in the section.

We'll know many of the answers by this time time next week as I type this.

[Mazer Rackham]

Doing a quick comparison Germany and France are the two stars of this weeks round up. The UK of course, but they are their own little island. those three make up the bulk of the take (139m)

The rest of the opening numbers are about average, in other words about what could be expected.

[English Agent]

Doing a quick comparison Germany and France are the two stars of this weeks round up. The UK of course, but they are their own little island. those three make up the bulk of the take (139m)

The rest of the opening numbers are about average, in other words about what could be expected.

...but the smaller nations BO grosses were significantly higher for SF than CR's and QOS's figures.

Bond is very popular in Central Europe (Austria and Switzerland), and in North Western European nations and Scandinavia.

Italy and Spain despite their large populations, never provide really big BO grosses for Bond unlike the big 3 (UK, Germany and France)

[Omega]

Man Taken 2 will not DIE!!!!

BO next week is all over the place one place had it at $80 million I don't know what they are base their guesses on everyone has one and they are $20 to 30 million a part .

Speaking of the election I'm surprised Obama hasn't asked his supporters to send in their movie money, he asked for nights out before.
"Going to wreck-it Ralph? why not the contribute the ticket and snack money."

1 N Wreck-It Ralph BV $49,100,000 - 3,752 - $13,086 $49,100,000 $165 1
2 N Flight Par. $25,010,000 - 1,884 - $13,275 $25,010,000 $31 1
3 1 Argo WB $10,245,000 -15.2% 2,774 -81 $3,693 $75,896,000 $44.5 4
4 N The Man with the Iron Fists Uni. $8,219,000 - 1,868 - $4,400 $8,219,000 $15 1
5 6 Taken 2 Fox $6,000,000

[Omega]

Doing a quick comparison Germany and France are the two stars of this weeks round up. The UK of course, but they are their own little island. those three make up the bulk of the take (139m)

The rest of the opening numbers are about average, in other words about what could be expected.

...but the smaller nations BO grosses were significantly higher for SF than CR's and QOS's figures.

Bond is very popular in Central Europe (Austria and Switzerland), and in North Western European nations and Scandinavia.

Italy and Spain despite their large populations, never provide really big BO grosses for Bond unlike the big 3 (UK, Germany and France)

The UK has gone incredibly insane over Skyfall. It's their Avatar.
Italy and Spain well they got no need for movies with all those pretty woemn, no reason to go to anywhere but a restaurant for romantic dinner after a romantic lunch with senoritas with the darkest eyes, sweetest bust and legs that will not quit.. That's how I imagine it anyway