The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[katied]

BTW Thrice has flip flopped..yet again..we'll see how long this lasts.I couldn't resist saying something since he's such a notorious flip-flopper.

[007]

Who cares what CM007, or whatever his name is, has to say. He flip-flopped more than John Kerry during an Election campaign post Casino Royale and has now rested onto a position which states that Craig was brilliant but the film was shite...or something. He's all over the place. Plus, he isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the box.

[bjmdds]

CM007 has clarified his position in an open post to all -

http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php? ... c&start=30

Has he always been a Craig fan?

Not at the beginning. He was with myself,the former GS,AKB,Vine, and others on the other side of the debate. I am still not sure where he stands now.

[bjmdds]

Yes welcome to the forum 'katied'

You will also find a handful of us pro-Craig supporters here.

It looks like we have gained another member,
while 'Captain Nash' has left and gone back to 'MI6'.........

........and he's taken all your 'reputation' points 'BJ'

EA

Yes, I noticed, for spitework. His reasoning for it does not even make sense in his posts. Perhaps Carl can correct this problem.

[bjmdds]

LOL I'm starting to identify with y'all..it's cyber Stockholm Sydrome I guess

Enjoying your stay here? Calm down yet? There are no flame wars here. The overall tone is quite serene. The problem is that you are entrenched in a forum site at MI6 which uses negativity towards contrary opinions as a tool. I have said this many times Katied, that these forums should be for one purpose only, that being fun entertainment. Spamming is a word used often at MI6 yet your side does the most, not my side. Relax, and enjoy the different opinions out there. You should not take to heart anyone else's views but your own, but you should happily embrace varying thought.

[carl stromberg]

I've deleted Nash's "reviews".

Welcome to the forum Katie. I hope you will take the time to look at the diffretn sections of the forum and contribute.

[bjmdds]

I've deleted Nash's "reviews".

Welcome to the forum Katie. I hope you will take the time to look at the diffretn sections of the forum and contribute.

Thanks Carl. You just ruined Nash's day, but I thank you. Welcome too, Katied. Stay a while for you might actually join the Jetsetter and the EA and enjoy it here.

[stockslivevan]

LOL I'm starting to identify with y'all..it's cyber Stockholm Sydrome I guess

You'd be quite suprised, DCINB has moved away far from the Deanna Brayton heyday and because of the baggage, the site still gets dismissed as if its the same as when came up during Craig's announcement. The only thing I see that is outdated compared to this very forum is the main page; it still reeks the Brayton tabloid format minus the Brozzer worshiping.

[bjmdds]

I thought I would share with my fellow posters what took place in 2 days this weekend on the MI6 forums. The pro-Craig lovefest rhetoric needed challenging and I started a topic thread there relating to Bond 22 copying the trends of the Bourne series, in essence, mimicry. Mind you, I only placed TWO posts. Look at the reaction to differing thought and the end result on page 4. Benny, aka Nash, also has a personal message for all here as well. I placed one more post after this topic which I felt was aptly significant to their forum:"SO THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY DIES,WITH THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE", from Padme in Star Wars III. These type of responses by the posters at MI6 is the reason I came here in March, in the first place. No threads are locked here, and all opinions tolerated, when cordial. Look at the overall 'tone' of the responses, for it is truly indicative of that site's behavior. YOLT should pack up and leave there as well, for the poor guy is the sacrificial anti-Craig lamb there. http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php? ... highlight=

I was stunned by the lack of resonable debate, do you think the people who post there have ulterior motives BJMDDS? They seem to want to suffocate debate thus making the site pointless and a Danny Craig fan site. Disturbing stuff.

BJ got those attacks because of the way he presented his post, not because of his opinions. He used the DCINB tabloid format and it was bait material.

Stocks, once and for all, did my thread post warrant the visciousness it received, yes or no? If you have contrary views here, are you treated in the same manner, yes or no? Did anyone ever tell you that your head is so far up your rear you cannot see straight, yes or no? Believe me, I could get just as down and dirty with them, but I will not lower myself to their level, will you? But then again, I do remember your post here, June 8,2007, at 9:06am: http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/forum/v ... ight=#6291

What I am saying is that if you presented your post without the use of DCINB tabloid, you might have had a better chance. One poster was right saying that using the title "The Bourne Mimicry" (which is not an accurate title for Bond 22) was bait for posters like Katied and YOLT who keep turning a thread into one big warzone are the REAL reason your thread got locked, not because you don't like Craig. I think another disadvantage you had was that you were a known poster for making threads like that, I remember you tried convincing everyone that the film wouldn't make a hundred million at the box office. Once it became just as sucessful, you said things like "Rap wins grammys and everyone like Craig as Bond, the world has gone mad" speech which didn't help matters.

Now, if you were under a different username and posted your thread as a "I'm not comfortable with this direction, who is with me?" as opposed to "This is a fact and you're all mad" you might not have had your thread trashed by members like Katied. Your earlier reptutation carries too much baggage to be easily accepted as the next guy.

Where did I ever reference DCINB? As your own assumption is implied, my opinions had nothing to do with the thread, another one, being locked, correct? I will let you know that NicNac, one of their MODS, has given me an official warning not to make any future posts comparing Bond with Bourne or action will be taken against me! Will action be taken against the other 43 post authors who actually did the 'spamming'? Probably not. Therefore, to extrapolate to the nth degree, what kind of forum is MI6 after all? How can you restrict topics and threads and thoughts and be called a place for freedom of expression, another thing that bugged NicNac, when I called him on it. I will not hide who I am, nor will I post under a different name to hide my views. We are who we are and I am 100% pleased with that. Just try to realize Stocks, that this forum is more in line with an open discussion, and even welcomes, contrary debate. Be it The Bourne Mimicry title, or Craig's other films tanking, or Eon's direction with starting over being a poor choice, or comparing Damon's character to Craig's, there will always be trouble on CB.net and MI6, trying to get opposing views debated. Since when are CONTRARY views 'always' CONTROVERSIAL?

[The Sweeney]

LOL I'm starting to identify with y'all..it's cyber Stockholm Sydrome I guess

Welcome Katied. It's jetsetter here from MI6.

[The Sweeney]

Since when are CONTRARY views 'always' CONTROVERSIAL?

Good point!

[bjmdds]

Since when are CONTRARY views 'always' CONTROVERSIAL?

Good point!

Thanks Sweeney. Just thought you would like to know that NicNac not only 'warned' me not to post any Bond/Bourne material, but he also DELETED my entire response to his locking the thread in question, where I cited Padme's line about democracy dying! I informed him that not only is there SELECTIVE INTERVENTION on MI6 from their moderators but now also SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP as well! Sweeney, that site just lost credibility this weekend by their actions. I ask you now, honestly, is DCINB more in tune for Craig/Eon debate than MI6?

[Kristatos]

I ask you now, honestly, is DCINB more in tune for Craig/Eon debate than MI6?

At least we acknowledge that there is a debate.

[The Sweeney]

Since when are CONTRARY views 'always' CONTROVERSIAL?

Good point!

Thanks Sweeney. Just thought you would like to know that NicNac not only 'warned' me not to post any Bond/Bourne material, but he also DELETED my entire response to his locking the thread in question, where I cited Padme's line about democracy dying! I informed him that not only is there SELECTIVE INTERVENTION on MI6 from their moderators but now also SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP as well! Sweeney, that site just lost credibility this weekend by their actions. I ask you now, honestly, is DCINB more in tune for Craig/Eon debate than MI6?

I guess that forum has been going a lot longer than this, and has had its fair share of flame wars (on both sides) over the past couple of years, with many members who came and went. I guess the moderators have become weary and battle-hardened now, so are ready to shut down any thread which will lead to a flame war, despite the initial post you made to start the thread, and open up an honest debate. Who knows. Maybe in 3 or 4 years time, this forum may end up the same. Right now it is very fresh, and everyone is being tolerable of everyone on here, despite opposing views.

I guess if the likes of Bond fan (remember him) showed up on here and started spamming every thread with pictures of himself as 007, then eventually even the good-natured, tolerable mods on here will draw the line at some point.

And its also unfortunate for you, as Stocks said, your name alone comes with baggage now on MI6. It's a case of not what's said, but who is saying it, which is a shame, because like I said earlier, I didn't think there was anything wrong with your initial post, and it didn't warrant been attacked like it did.

But maybe the mods knew you were on there just to prove a point, and that's why it was locked.......bj, you old devil you!

[Skywalker]

I ask you now, honestly, is DCINB more in tune for Craig/Eon debate than MI6?

There are members on MI6 who do wish to debate the issue, but the stigma attached to discussing the topic of Craig as Bond is now so worn from flame wars that decent members avoid the topic. Idiots like YOLT wind up Pro-Craigers and make criticising CR and the selection of Craig difficult. This forum does allow for contrary views and has accepted Pro-Craig members and given them the opportunity to debate these issues without being victimised.

I now consider Sweeney, Stock, Nash and Brain to be decent guys (although misguided) and I'm sure they enjoy their time here too.

[The Sweeney]

I ask you now, honestly, is DCINB more in tune for Craig/Eon debate than MI6?

There are members on MI6 who do wish to debate the issue, but the stigma attached to discussing the topic of Craig as Bond is now so worn from flame wars that decent members avoid the topic. Idiots like YOLT wind up Pro-Craigers and make criticising CR and the selection of Craig difficult. This forum does allow for contrary views and has accepted Pro-Craig members and given them the opportunity to debate these issues without being victimised.

I now consider Sweeney, Stock, Nash and Brain to be decent guys (although misguided) and I'm sure they enjoy their time here too.

Thanks Skywalker, and very true in what you wrote.

[Skywalker]

I ask you now, honestly, is DCINB more in tune for Craig/Eon debate than MI6?

There are members on MI6 who do wish to debate the issue, but the stigma attached to discussing the topic of Craig as Bond is now so worn from flame wars that decent members avoid the topic. Idiots like YOLT wind up Pro-Craigers and make criticising CR and the selection of Craig difficult. This forum does allow for contrary views and has accepted Pro-Craig members and given them the opportunity to debate these issues without being victimised.

I now consider Sweeney, Stock, Nash and Brain to be decent guys (although misguided) and I'm sure they enjoy their time here too.

Thanks Skywalker.

No worries.

[bjmdds]

Locked,exposed,and defined, was MI6, Sweeney,without them ever realizing that I had nothing to do with their own members attacking each other like that. Do you respect NicNac,Luds,Simon, etc? Do you honestly find me the person they claim I am? If the many years has gotten to the mods, then it is time for them to give it up. I still do not understand the concept of locking a popular thread. If 20,000 replies want to be written, delete out and isolate the nasty ones, and let free speech continue, don't you think? The problem is Eon MIGHT be a little too close to MI6, no matter how many times they deny it, and for me, as Spock would say, is the ONLY LOGICAL assumption to be made by their actions.

[Eye Of The Tiger]

Sorry if this has already been reported.

Sadly, Lois Maxwell has died. She was was 80 and died of cancer.

[bjmdds]

Tragic news. She was a great factor in the Bond legacy.