The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

There is no way an action movie and especially NOT a James Bond one gets nominations for something that isn't special effects or sound mixing or something. And if they did in that category, WHO CARES. (they still won't, but just saying).

I've been saying this for ages, but FBF is convinced that if Spyfail gets so much as a nomination in the best sound editing category, it will validate Babs' vision for Bond and we'll be stuck with Daniel Craig forever. Don't waste your breath, I think it was Thomas Paine who said that "arguing with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like trying to administer medicine to the dead".

[Omega]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

[Kristatos]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

Probably the most excitement that film is likely to see.

[FormerBondFan]

There is no way an action movie and especially NOT a James Bond one gets nominations for something that isn't special effects or sound mixing or something. And if they did in that category, WHO CARES. (they still won't, but just saying).

I've been saying this for ages, but FBF is convinced that if Spyfail gets so much as a nomination in the best sound editing category, it will validate Babs' vision for Bond and we'll be stuck with Daniel Craig forever.

You guys COMPLETELY missed the point here. I never said anything about DC's third virus getting an Oscar nomination (either main category or technical) would mean we'll stuck with DC for a long time. What I'm saying is that any Oscar nomination (even the technical one) for a DC virus Bond creates bad image to the entire pop culture. It's almost like having DC's Bond in the same room with Darth Vader and Homer Simpson because they're icons. DC's Bond is no icon but rather a subject of Bab's EVIL propaganda that he is the best since Sean and should be recognized in the likes of Gone With The Wind and The Godfather. The thing is that B1tch trying to make us admit that DC is the true modern day Bond, NOT Pierce. As we know already, Pierce was denied the request to developed his own Bond, and instead of giving him what he wanted, that B1tch wasted his time and screwed him with OTT and cheesy script and storyline, leaving GE the only great Bond he has. And with DC corrupting the Bond universe, those minions are blaming Pierce like his fault, believing he's responsible for those OTT ideas. It seems to me that this B1tch really tries to get away with what she did to Pierce, and I bet she's hoping that her subjects (Sam Mendes, Thomas Newman, FX guys, other technical guys, etc.) would have their works recognized to get an Oscar nomination just so she would get away with what she did when Pierce was Bond. With DC as Bond, that B1tch and those minions think they can achieve anything. If DAD (or any other Pierce's Bond aside from GE even they're not perfect) got an Oscar nomination, my reaction would be a different story, and I would be pleased. Why? Pierce is Bond, and yes, his Bonds may not be the best except GE. But better for Pierce's Bonds to get nominated by the Oscars in technical area (even though they're not worthy) than DC's Bonds (even those that are as bad as QOS). Furthermore, Indy 4 looks more like an Oscar nominee (in a technical sense) than DC's Bonds will ever be, great or not in a technical sense. I have said this before and I will say it again: FYEO was the last Bond to get an Oscar nomination (which was for Best Song), and it should be kept this way until DC's overthrown along with the B1tch (hopefully), or otherwise, you may as well have Carrot Top or The Blue Man Group for Bond. Let's clarify things here: I have a friend in FB who is devoted Trekkie, and he hated J.J.'s Trek, considering it's biggest piece of crap in the universe. And he's even more upset that the Trek reboot got an Oscar nomination (all in the technical category). Plus, he responded to my status in FB regarding the 2010 Golden Globes if Trek reboot got any nomination. I said no then he said "Good", considering J.J.'s Trek is all crap. Now do we understand each other? I will say no more about this issue, and I don't want to see anymore articles or quotes (that mentioned Oscar nomination potential for DC's third virus) here. If we're done, now can we talk about DC films (Dream House and Cowboys & Aliens) getting a Razzie, or Razzie nomination for that matter?



Speaking of the Razzies, can anyone make a fan art like Cowboys & Aliens....nominated for 10 Razzies?

[katied]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

Let's start a"Spyfail is cursed" rumor!

[carl stromberg]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

Let's start a"Spyfail is cursed" rumor!

The whole Craig era is cursed!

[FormerBondFan]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

Let's start a"Spyfail is cursed" rumor!

The whole Craig era is cursed!

I hope it doesn't countercurse on us like the last time in 2008 when HP 6 was pushed back from November 2008 to summer 2009, triggering releases (including QOS) of winter 2008 to move around.

[katied]

The whole Craig era is cursed!

Pretty much. I mean, loved Casino Royale when it came out, but man,that movie hasn't aged well.It doesn't help that it's on cable all the time over here. And PO,I mean QOS..well, the less said about it the better. Spyfail is going to be more of the same.

[oscartheman]

The whole Craig era is cursed!

Pretty much. I mean, loved Casino Royale when it came out, but man,that movie hasn't aged well.It doesn't help that it's on cable all the time over here. And PO,I mean QOS..well, the less said about it the better. Spyfail is going to be more of the same.

CR was on BBC America I came across it flipping channels,god does he look like s**t at the card table.They shot from above the table sweeping in and he has the s**t chair cut really looks bad.Of all the things they did to him for CR the hair cuts makes the least sense.

CR was over hyped and QOS was so bad nobody not even Craig can defend it.The Craig era is cursed!

[oscartheman]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

Probably the most excitement that film is likely to see.

This and Babs falling off the stage.

[katied]

Oscar, CR has been on BBC America(among other channels) a lot-Even SyFy has shown it a bunch of times! WTF CR has to do with science fiction I will never know.

[Alessandra]

There is no way an action movie and especially NOT a James Bond one gets nominations for something that isn't special effects or sound mixing or something. And if they did in that category, WHO CARES. (they still won't, but just saying).

I've been saying this for ages, but FBF is convinced that if Spyfail gets so much as a nomination in the best sound editing category, it will validate Babs' vision for Bond and we'll be stuck with Daniel Craig forever. Don't waste your breath, I think it was Thomas Paine who said that "arguing with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like trying to administer medicine to the dead".

FBF I get what you mean but I still don't think that any Oscar nomination for sound editing or special effect or anything of the kind validates the Craig era, and it sure doesn't subtract anything from the Pierce era... Pierce had far better movies than any of the DC ones so far. I don't think GE was the only good one, I enjoyed both TND and TWINE, and the first half of DAD, too. I don't think an Oscar nomination for one of those categories (and there is absolutely no way a Bond movie gets a nom for anything other than those categories... Now we could argue that Craig's movies so far haven't been Bond, so that changes the story, but still) would make any difference whatsoever for either the Pierce era or Craig. That said, don't worry FBF, it's not going to happen. And like I said, pointless to discuss it since it's WAY too early and we can't know anything, we're only advertising the thing by talking about it right now IMO.

Re: Star Trek. JJ Abrams did an awesome job with that franchise. So, sorry, but your friend has very little ground to stand on. And more than that he's definitely in the minority, seen as many devoted fans have loved the reboot. They respected the core of the series and managed to reboot it at the same time. In fact, Star Trek is indicated as a GOOD example of HOW to reboot a franchise. Both by critics and by fans. And this is the opinion of the vast majority of fans... tell your friend he can commiserate with Stockslivevan though, I remember he was another one disliking the reboot? Always a good excuse to have a (virtual) drink together

What's that about the Razzies, did C&A truly get 10 noms?!? and Who cares, nobody actually goes to look at those things... C&A got what it deserved because it wasn't a good movie. It took a beating both at the box office and from critics. The rest doesn't really matter. Awards don't make a good film at all. In fact, I can think of heaps of movies that got Oscars they didn't deserve at all. So whether Skyfall gets a nom in the tech category or not, it really won't make the slightest difference.

[Alessandra]

Spyfail Catering truck catches fire at pinewood
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/95 ... ood_lorry/

Probably the most excitement that film is likely to see.

I sure hope that's not the case since I don't want to be left with a dead franchise, but so far the info we have isn't exactly encouraging... I don't think the Craig era is cursed at all, I just think he's not the right man for the role. I disliked CR from the start, so I am not one of those who can be accused of having changed their tune or being incoherent.. I just never liked the "style" they chose because I don't feel it's Bond at all. This is mainly on Babs, but also falls on Craig because of his "non-Bond vision" of things and his constant attempt to change stuff that he should never have touched in the first place. That's all I have "against" him. I wish him well on his other projects, I just want him to stay away from Bond and from any franchise or literature piece that I love (unless he plays the villain, that he'd be good at I think). The minute these people stop trying to shove him down viewers' throats as if he was a leading man, which he is NOT because he is (and he says so) A CHARACTER ACTOR, his career will finally take off in the right direction. It's not difficult to understand and it's very evident, but somehow they keep going on with this leading man nonsense.

[FormerBondFan]

FBF I get what you mean but I still don't think that any Oscar nomination for sound editing or special effect or anything of the kind validates the Craig era, and it sure doesn't subtract anything from the Pierce era... Pierce had far better movies than any of the DC ones so far. I don't think GE was the only good one, I enjoyed both TND and TWINE, and the first half of DAD, too.

We fans may enjoy his Bonds, but GE is said to be only good from Pierce. And Oscar nominations (major or even technical) and DC viruses DO NOT MIX. If there are any future Bond films will get a nomination (first since FYEO, which was for Best Song) in the technical area, that will be the Bonds starring Henry, NOT DC's third virus.

I don't think an Oscar nomination for one of those categories (and there is absolutely no way a Bond movie gets a nom for anything other than those categories. Now we could argue that Craig's movies so far haven't been Bond, so that changes the story, but still) would make any difference whatsoever for either the Pierce era or Craig.

I never said anything about Bond will get a major nomination. My point is it will be blasphemy if DC's third virus get even a single nomination in technical area. And again Indy 4 fits this bill a billion times than any of DC's Bonds are.

That said, don't worry FBF, it's not going to happen.

I hope you meant no nominations (not even a single in the technical category) for DC's third virus. What this virus deserves is NO nominations whatsoever, except the RAZZIES.

[FormerBondFan]

What's that about the Razzies, did C&A truly get 10 noms?!? and

That's just a fan art idea as a way to mock DC and his bombs.

[FormerBondFan]

Speaking of Razzie nominations, any chance DC will get one for C&A? As said before, I can see him and Ford get one for Worst On-Screen Couple. I know this seems too early, but is it worth talking about Razzie potentials for DC's third virus? I wouldn't be surprised if the B1tch gets one for Worst Career Achievement Award.

[bjmdds]

FBF I get what you mean but I still don't think that any Oscar nomination for sound editing or special effect or anything of the kind validates the Craig era, and it sure doesn't subtract anything from the Pierce era... Pierce had far better movies than any of the DC ones so far. I don't think GE was the only good one, I enjoyed both TND and TWINE, and the first half of DAD, too.

We fans may enjoy his Bonds, but GE is said to be only good from Pierce. And Oscar nominations (major or even technical) and DC viruses DO NOT MIX. If there are any future Bond films will get a nomination (first since FYEO, which was for Best Song) in the technical area, that will be the Bonds starring Henry, NOT DC's third virus.

I don't think an Oscar nomination for one of those categories (and there is absolutely no way a Bond movie gets a nom for anything other than those categories. Now we could argue that Craig's movies so far haven't been Bond, so that changes the story, but still) would make any difference whatsoever for either the Pierce era or Craig.

I never said anything about Bond will get a major nomination. My point is it will be blasphemy if DC's third virus get even a single nomination in technical area. And again Indy 4 fits this bill a billion times than any of DC's Bonds are.

That said, don't worry FBF, it's not going to happen.

I hope you meant no nominations (not even a single in the technical category) for DC's third virus. What this virus deserves is NO nominations whatsoever, except the RAZZIES.

FBF, we all admire your extreeeeeeeeeeeeme passion against DC You do not want trash rewarded. I share in that intensity as do the rest here. You need not worry any longer about awards for any DC films. You are correct in your assumption that ANY recognition shown to that miserable piece of vegetable at Eon would bolster her significance to the franchise, but it is not going to happen. She cannot buy any awards and she is devoid of any logic with Bond. Sony and MGM must now take the lead and vanquish Cubby's kids from the Bond realm. Patience FBF. It's just a matter of time now for our mutual delight to occur.

[Alessandra]

I never said anything about Bond will get a major nomination. My point is it will be blasphemy if DC's third virus get even a single nomination in technical area. And again Indy 4 fits this bill a billion times than any of DC's Bonds are.

We do not KNOW what Skyfall will be like so we sure as hell can't say this. You do realize that noms in the tech area don't belong to Craig at ALL but to people who work very hard at what they do and DESERVE to be nominated more often than not? Tech noms aren't like the mainstream ones, in general if you get one it's well deserved. The mainstream ones are an utterly different deal, but the tech noms? I will never say that Indy 4 deserves them more than Skyfall because we do NOT know right now. If those poor people who put all their best effort in it make a fine job with technical parts (whichever they are) in Skyfall, then they WILL deserve to be nominated just as much as Indy 4. Skyfall IS NOT "Daniel Craig's movie". It's a movie with heaps of people taking part to it, and those who do the technical part in movies are often the people who work the most and are paid the least. So really, I have the utmost respect for them. It's a very difficult job and it's got NOTHING and I mean NOTHING to do with Daniel Craig. Once we see the finished product, we'll be able to tell. QoS was terrible from that point of view as well, but Skyfall may not be. My point is, and I repeat it again, IT IS WAY TOO SOON to even MENTION that. We don't know anything. Nothing at all. Once we see Skyfall, we can see whether there's material for tech noms or not.

[bjmdds]

FBF does not want to put anyone out of work on the technical side. He just does not want 'greeny' to get any credit and bolster her standing with Sony and MGM. I personally would not want to see "her" rewarded with ANY recognition whatsoever for the less accolades "she" gets, the more MGM and Sony will react to it, and the more likely she will be shown the door and relegated to a supporting cast at the table of decision making on future Bond films.

[Alessandra]

FBF does not want to put anyone out of work on the technical side. He just does not want 'greeny' to get any credit and bolster her standing with Sony and MGM. I personally would not want to see "her" rewarded with ANY recognition whatsoever for the less accolades "she" gets, the more MGM and Sony will react to it, and the more likely she will be shown the door and relegated to a supporting cast at the table of decision making on future Bond films.

I don't want her to get any awards either, but since the "best producer" award doesn't exist at either the Oscars or the Golden Globes or any of the other main awards, then she won't get anything regardless. If the movie gets a tech nom, it is not her being rewarded but the person who works in that specific compartment and those people, more often than not, really deserve the credit they get. If there's one thing she's got absolutely NOTHING to do with, that's the technical part, which is also why I think it's extremely unfair to those who work on it to state that they don't deserve it before even having seen the movie. A tech nom and award won't be an award to Babs in the slightest. It will be what it is, a tech award for the people who worked on that part of the movie. And nothing else.

I don't think they stand a chance of getting a nom for that anyway, simply because generally speaking Bond movies don't scream "excellent" in that compartment either (save exceptions) but if they indeed do a good job, then I'm all for these people being rewarded for their good job. Regardless, again it's WAY too soon to even mention this. This is not the time, we haven't seen anything and we haven't seen ANY of the films yet because the year just started and they are still to award THIS season's Oscars... when Skyfall is released, we'll see. But again, a Bond movie being nominated for ANYTHING is an extremely unlikely event to begin with, which is why we shouldn't even be talking about this, especially not now... we're only bringing attention to the matter.