The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[james stock]

Hi Arthur
Casino Royale was such a disappointment to me that i cant in all honesty see the trashing of Bond for another movie.

Are you Pro Craig? if so what did you find good about his performance?

[English Agent]

Hi Arthur
Casino Royale was such a disappointment to me that i cant in all honesty see the trashing of Bond for another movie.

Are you Pro Craig? if so what did you find good about his performance?

Wasn't trying to frighten you 'James', its just that even if a film franchise
had an actor in it that i didn't approve of, i would still go and see it out
of curiosity, as i might be surprised and actually enjoy the film.

Yes i'am pro-craig.

I know he doesn't fit the bill as the traditional stereotype as BOND,
which is why this website exists..................but when i heard that
he was going to be Bond, rather than throw my toys out of the pram
like some people did!!!
I thought that this guy could actually deliver a more gritty performance
as Bond.............which is exactly would happened.

At the end of the day you have to give people a chance, and the producers knew it would be the public who would make the final
decision with their like or dislike of the new Bond, by their attendance
of CR.

EA

[Kristatos]

YES.........you will see Bond 22, whether you like it or not, otherwise
how can you consider yourself a Bond fan.

Being a Bond fan doesn't oblige you to see every film that EON puts out, just because the hero of the film is called James Bond, and occasionally bears a passing resemblance to the character of the same name who appeared in 20 films between 1962 and 2002 (21 if you include NSNA).

[English Agent]

YES.........you will see Bond 22, whether you like it or not, otherwise
how can you consider yourself a Bond fan.

Being a Bond fan doesn't oblige you to see every film that EON puts out, just because the hero of the film is called James Bond, and occasionally bears a passing resemblance to the character of the same name who appeared in 20 films between 1962 and 2002 (21 if you include NSNA).

My comment was tongue-in-cheek!!

Yes, you dont have to watch the films.......but your a strange fan if you dont.

[Kristatos]

Yes, you dont have to watch the films.......but you're a strange fan if you dont.

It'd take a lot to make me not see a Bond film, and I'll probably go and see Bond 22 regardless, but I'd totally understand if someone was so disappointed by CR that they opted not to.

[bjmdds]

YES.........you will see Bond 22, whether you like it or not, otherwise
how can you consider yourself a Bond fan.

Being a Bond fan doesn't oblige you to see every film that EON puts out, just because the hero of the film is called James Bond, and occasionally bears a passing resemblance to the character of the same name who appeared in 20 films between 1962 and 2002 (21 if you include NSNA).

My comment was tongue-in-cheek!!

Yes, you dont have to watch the films.......but your a strange fan if you dont.

Arthur, again, what are the Bond ingredients you saw in CR, and be specific, other than a character named James Bond?

[bjmdds]

Now this is something that has often been on my mind.
As Bond fans what would the majority of members here want in a future Bond film?
In all seriousness, and please I can live without any smart ar$se comments about Daniel Craig, his looks, his height and whatever else.
What has Eon got to do to win you back?
Answer me that and we may see eye to eye more often.
I'm not completely against many of the concerns here. Daniel Craig though makes a great Bond in my opinon, but I will listen to your other Bondian concerns.

Now? Give me Butler in the role, with a different male M, where Q IS involved, with an upbeat Bond who does not look clinically depressed all the time,and where there is more storyline based on action,with less graphic violence, and no terrorist plots. Have the baddie a Goldfinger type, where the storyline is more sensational than a crummy card game to bankrupt someone. This organization Craig's Bond will pursue looks like a boring dead end which will wind up having the head cheese in the British government, mark my words.The Bourne Mimicry will involve Vesper's boyfriend(Visnjic), no Q, no Moneypenny, Bond seeking revenge for Vesper,which is all nonsense. That is exactly WHAT I DO NOT WANT TO SEE in any Bond film. CR's storyline was bland, admit that. It took no great writing skills to pen that! Yet, having it more serious and a new Bond getting his 'privates' punished drew in the fans. I am totally surprised this is what you, EA, The Sweeney, the gang at MI6 and CB.net actually enjoy. It is your choice, being a subjective taste decision, but on this site, the majority cannot, and will not, warm up to Bond until Craig vacates the role. I ask you, after Craig is gone, does Eon time warp the franchise forward again past Dr. No, for in theory, that mission has yet to occur, or am I incorrect?

[Skywalker]

Now this is something that has often been on my mind.
As Bond fans what would the majority of members here want in a future Bond film?
In all seriousness, and please I can live without any smart ar$se comments about Daniel Craig, his looks, his height and whatever else.
What has Eon got to do to win you back?
Answer me that and we may see eye to eye more often.
I'm not completely against many of the concerns here. Daniel Craig though makes a great Bond in my opinon, but I will listen to your other Bondian concerns.

Well Captain, for me I was initially surprised and to be honest, disappointed by the selection of Craig as Bond. He did not seem to me, to be the sort of actor I would have chosen, and I failed to see why he had been selected. All the other actors that had played Bond had an aura about them that seemed to make that 'stand out'. I never got that feeling with Craig. However, I heard all the hype surrounding CR and was genuinely excited about going to see it, despite my earlier reservations.

The film failed for me, but not from my initial viewing. I admit to going to the cinema TWICE (Painful as it was) due to feeling unsure of my opinion of the film on my first viewing. Second time around the film really irritated me and I was annoyed by the style of the film, Craig's look, the Rookie Bond aspect, the re-appointment of Dame Judi and the lack of gadgets.

For Bond 22 to be a success for me Craig would have to dye his hair darker with a more smooth and combed look, the refinement aspect would need to be in stark contrast from the raw CR, a new M, the introduction of a stylish Moneypenny (Helena Bonham Carter) and a good script.

As much as I don't consider Craig to be right for the role, I accept that if I can't have a new actor then the elements that made me a fan need to return.

[English Agent]

YES.........you will see Bond 22, whether you like it or not, otherwise
how can you consider yourself a Bond fan.

Being a Bond fan doesn't oblige you to see every film that EON puts out, just because the hero of the film is called James Bond, and occasionally bears a passing resemblance to the character of the same name who appeared in 20 films between 1962 and 2002 (21 if you include NSNA).

My comment was tongue-in-cheek!!

Yes, you dont have to watch the films.......but your a strange fan if you dont.

Arthur, again, what are the Bond ingredients you saw in CR, and be specific, other than a character named James Bond?

Er........yes, its a bit difficult to put down on paper, but what i'am trying
to say is that regardless of the optional extras associated with Bond such
as Q, the gadgets etc, i was really talking about Bond himself, the man.

In that whatever way the films are made in style and tone, and whether they seem similar to other films of the current time, you still know you
are watching a Bond film by watching the character up there on the screen, by his mannerisms, his style, his personality..........what i'am
saying is (i think), that for example if you watched CR and TBU without
sound you would still know which one was the Bond film.............as
Bourne plays a guy with todays attitudes, whereas Bond is still basically
the man from the 1960's.

EA

[bjmdds]

YES.........you will see Bond 22, whether you like it or not, otherwise
how can you consider yourself a Bond fan.

Being a Bond fan doesn't oblige you to see every film that EON puts out, just because the hero of the film is called James Bond, and occasionally bears a passing resemblance to the character of the same name who appeared in 20 films between 1962 and 2002 (21 if you include NSNA).

My comment was tongue-in-cheek!!

Yes, you dont have to watch the films.......but your a strange fan if you dont.

Arthur, again, what are the Bond ingredients you saw in CR, and be specific, other than a character named James Bond?

Er........yes, its a bit difficult to put down on paper, but what i'am trying
to say is that regardless of the optional extras associated with Bond such
as Q, the gadgets etc, i was really talking about Bond himself, the man.

In that whatever way the films are made in style and tone, and whether they seem similar to other films of the current time, you still know you
are watching a Bond film by watching the character up there on the screen, by his mannerisms, his style, his personality..........what i'am
saying is (i think), that for example if you watched CR and TBU without
sound you would still know which one was the Bond film.............as
Bourne plays a guy with todays attitudes, whereas Bond is still basically
the man from the 1960's.

EA

Arthur, by what you just wrote please explain to me how Craig as Bond,in your own words, showed the 'mannerisms,style,and personality' of James Bond? This is foreign to me and for you to believe this, I would like to know if we both grew up liking the same franchise? Q and the gadgets are not optional extras, they are required elements in a Bond film. Bond, the man, is an optional extra, which should never interfere with the escapism noted for in a Bond film.

[bjmdds]

Now this is something that has often been on my mind.
As Bond fans what would the majority of members here want in a future Bond film?
In all seriousness, and please I can live without any smart ar$se comments about Daniel Craig, his looks, his height and whatever else.
What has Eon got to do to win you back?
Answer me that and we may see eye to eye more often.
I'm not completely against many of the concerns here. Daniel Craig though makes a great Bond in my opinon, but I will listen to your other Bondian concerns.

Well Captain, for me I was initially surprised and to be honest, disappointed by the selection of Craig as Bond. He did not seem to me, to be the sort of actor I would have chosen, and I failed to see why he had been selected. All the other actors that had played Bond had an aura about them that seemed to make that 'stand out'. I never got that feeling with Craig. However, I heard all the hype surrounding CR and was genuinely excited about going to see it, despite my earlier reservations.

The film failed for me, but not from my initial viewing. I admit to going to the cinema TWICE (Painful as it was) due to feeling unsure of my opinion of the film on my first viewing. Second time around the film really irritated me and I was annoyed by the style of the film, Craig's look, the Rookie Bond aspect, the re-appointment of Dame Judi and the lack of gadgets.

For Bond 22 to be a success for me Craig would have to dye his hair darker with a more smooth and combed look, the refinement aspect would need to be in stark contrast from the raw CR, a new M, the introduction of a stylish Moneypenny (Helena Bonham Carter) and a good script.

As much as I don't consider Craig to be right for the role, I accept that if I can't have a new actor then the elements that made me a fan need to return.

I believe if Craig is still in the role his films will still never measure up to the class and style of his predecessors, no matter how similar his films become to the traditional Bond films.

[james stock]

Now this is something that has often been on my mind.
As Bond fans what would the majority of members here want in a future Bond film?
In all seriousness, and please I can live without any smart ar$se comments about Daniel Craig, his looks, his height and whatever else.
What has Eon got to do to win you back?
Answer me that and we may see eye to eye more often.
I'm not completely against many of the concerns here. Daniel Craig though makes a great Bond in my opinon, but I will listen to your other Bondian concerns.

Well Captain, for me I was initially surprised and to be honest, disappointed by the selection of Craig as Bond. He did not seem to me, to be the sort of actor I would have chosen, and I failed to see why he had been selected. All the other actors that had played Bond had an aura about them that seemed to make that 'stand out'. I never got that feeling with Craig. However, I heard all the hype surrounding CR and was genuinely excited about going to see it, despite my earlier reservations.

The film failed for me, but not from my initial viewing. I admit to going to the cinema TWICE (Painful as it was) due to feeling unsure of my opinion of the film on my first viewing. Second time around the film really irritated me and I was annoyed by the style of the film, Craig's look, the Rookie Bond aspect, the re-appointment of Dame Judi and the lack of gadgets.

For Bond 22 to be a success for me Craig would have to dye his hair darker with a more smooth and combed look, the refinement aspect would need to be in stark contrast from the raw CR, a new M, the introduction of a stylish Moneypenny (Helena Bonham Carter) and a good script.

As much as I don't consider Craig to be right for the role, I accept that if I can't have a new actor then the elements that made me a fan need to return.

I believe if Craig is still in the role his films will still never measure up to the class and style of his predecessors, no matter how similar his films become to the traditional Bond films.

They dont have any class or style, they are just a copy of a copy
I like reading your posts Bmjdds, you seem to have a similar feeling of disapointment i had watching royale.

[bjmdds]

Thank you JS. To me, Bond is NOW a foreign entity, for I vaguely recognize what is being portrayed as a Bond film. The actor,the storyline, the style, are all contrary to what the franchise was based on. Tradition lasts;shot in the pan concepts fade out quickly. November 2008's The Bourne Mimicry, will enlighten us all, one way or another.

[james stock]

Thank you JS. To me, Bond is NOW a foreign entity, for I vaguely recognize what is being portrayed as a Bond film. The actor,the storyline, the style, are all contrary to what the franchise was based on. Tradition lasts;shot in the pan concepts fade out quickly. November 2008's The Bourne Mimicry, will enlighten us all, one way or another.

The news that they have hired the same stunt co-ordinator and gone for a similar look and tone ie humourless, shaky camera work and washed out colour seems desperate. Do you think the next film will be a success there has got to be more Bond fans out there who thought Royale was garbage, do you think they are unaware of this site bjmdds?

[bjmdds]

This forum topic thread has over 55,000 views worldwide since march 2007, when I came on board. If you look at CB.net, the highest viewed forum topic thread that I can find is on Casino Royale, and in over 2 YEARS they have amassed 38,000 views. Therefore, although this website is geared to a SPECIFIC Bond entity, being Craig not being suited to play the role of James Bond, it has totalled considerable VIEWS as opposed to actual posts, meaning many are aware of this forum and do come hear to read what is written. Remember, this site was notorious, now it should be considered a legitimate stop over for all internet Bond fans to come to. There are plenty of us out there James, and we will see what Craig's next Bond film produces worldwide.

[james stock]

This forum topic thread has over 55,000 views worldwide since march 2007, when I came on board. If you look at CB.net, the highest viewed forum topic thread that I can find is on Casino Royale, and in over 2 YEARS they have amassed 38,000 views. Therefore, although this website is geared to a SPECIFIC Bond entity, being Craig not being suited to play the role of James Bond, it has totalled considerable VIEWS as opposed to actual posts, meaning many are aware of this forum and do come hear to read what is written. Remember, this site was notorious, now it should be considered a legitimate stop over for all internet Bond fans to come to. There are plenty of us out there James, and we will see what Craig's next Bond film produces worldwide.

Very true, i think people can acually see that this site is nothing like the other site, i think this forum as you said bjmdds has a legitimate voice and the right to voice it as oposed to being attacked as in other Bond Forums such as commander Bond

[Skywalker]

The forum is quite rightly gaining membership and momentum. The Anti-Craigers and Pro-Craigers deserve credit for keeping the topics fresh and interesting. Many views are shared and debated, and the moderators have to be applauded for allowing good debate to evolve into great banter.

Not everyone on this site share the same sentiments and their reasons for being Bond fans can differ greatly, but were all here because of one man 'Daniel Craig'.

[james stock]

The forum is quite rightly gaining membership and momentum. The Anti-Craigers and Pro-Craigers deserve credit for keeping the topics fresh and interesting. Many views are shared and debated, and the moderators have to be applauded for allowing good debate to evolve into great banter.

Not everyone on this site share the same sentiments and their reasons for being Bond fans can differ greatly, but were all here because of one man 'Daniel Craig'.

Here Here Skywalker! have you had any bad expeariences on other Bond Forums?

[bjmdds]

MI6 and CB.net have become a mess of a forum for any structured debate of Craig, Eon,CR, or Bond 22. The intolerant attitude both demonstrate has become a real turnoff to contrary Bond fans and guess what? The MODS at both could care less what we think, for they smugly feel it is 'their way or the highway'. I cannot believe that Charles Vine, You Only Live Thrice, CM007, and a few others at MI6 enjoy spending their time dodging insults with the majority at MI6. It serves them no purpose being there. Here, even with several contrarians to this website's premise, all opinions are welcome, except when the insults start to fly, and here, those cases are rare.

[Skywalker]

The forum is quite rightly gaining membership and momentum. The Anti-Craigers and Pro-Craigers deserve credit for keeping the topics fresh and interesting. Many views are shared and debated, and the moderators have to be applauded for allowing good debate to evolve into great banter.

Not everyone on this site share the same sentiments and their reasons for being Bond fans can differ greatly, but were all here because of one man 'Daniel Craig'.

Here Here Skywalker! have you had any bad expeariences on other Bond Forums?

Not really. Dog Bond on MI6 was slightly annoying, but all the rest didn't really attack my opinions of Craig.

BJ had more cr*p than most to deal with.