Personally I thought PB looked in fine shape in DAD and if retained he could have done another or maybe 2. That said, I wasn't against EON dropping Brosnan and looking to recast the role.Captain Nash wrote:But one of the arguments some people have is that Pierce Brosnan could still play James Bond.Skywalker wrote: This is a forum based on members not either liking or wanting Daniel Craig as Bond. The fact he is currently playing the part validates recent photos of him. By continuingly posting pictures of Brosnan now he is no longer in the role is irrelevant. Whilst as Bond, I can't recall anyone questioning his looks or physique as he was ideally suited.
I beg to differ. He's simply to old for the role now. Did a good job in his three films...we know where I stand on the fourth, but that time for me has past.
As for his looks and physique, whilst I have never to my knowledge commented on it, Pierce was starting to look old in DAD. His arrival at the ice palace when he gets out the car and makes his joke about Mr.Kill springs to mind.
And his horrible entrance into the hotel in Hong Kong. Not only further from James Bond as I can imagine. Bond would never enter a hotel with his pyjama top un-buttoned like that, but I can't imagine Bond entering a hotel in pyjamas. Anyway the point I was going to make about that scene is that the man boobs have appeared and the stomach is probably bigger than it should be...for Bond. Just my spin on it anyway.
Brosnan still looks great!
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Captain Nash wrote:But one of the arguments some people have is that Pierce Brosnan could still play James Bond.Skywalker wrote: This is a forum based on members not either liking or wanting Daniel Craig as Bond. The fact he is currently playing the part validates recent photos of him. By continuingly posting pictures of Brosnan now he is no longer in the role is irrelevant. Whilst as Bond, I can't recall anyone questioning his looks or physique as he was ideally suited.
I beg to differ. He's simply to old for the role now. Did a good job in his three films...we know where I stand on the fourth, but that time for me has past.
As for his looks and physique, whilst I have never to my knowledge commented on it, Pierce was starting to look old in DAD. His arrival at the ice palace when he gets out the car and makes his joke about Mr.Kill springs to mind.
And his horrible entrance into the hotel in Hong Kong. Not only further from James Bond as I can imagine. Bond would never enter a hotel with his pyjama top un-buttoned like that, but I can't imagine Bond entering a hotel in pyjamas. Anyway the point I was going to make about that scene is that the man boobs have appeared and the stomach is probably bigger than it should be...for Bond. Just my spin on it anyway.
I thought PB looked ok in DAD, given that he was about fifty (forty-nine?). I think PB's fifth film was going to be for 2004 or 2005. That would have been ok for a farewell film but anything beyond would be approaching A View To a Kill territory. Personally I didn't agree with the 'Bring back Pierce' aspect to the original version of CNB and am glad that we moved on. That goal would quickly have become a bit ludicrous as Brosnan got older. I'd rather have had a new Bond film with a Cavill or Worthington or Gerry Butler or someone.
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James wrote:Captain Nash wrote:But one of the arguments some people have is that Pierce Brosnan could still play James Bond.Skywalker wrote: This is a forum based on members not either liking or wanting Daniel Craig as Bond. The fact he is currently playing the part validates recent photos of him. By continuingly posting pictures of Brosnan now he is no longer in the role is irrelevant. Whilst as Bond, I can't recall anyone questioning his looks or physique as he was ideally suited.
I beg to differ. He's simply to old for the role now. Did a good job in his three films...we know where I stand on the fourth, but that time for me has past.
As for his looks and physique, whilst I have never to my knowledge commented on it, Pierce was starting to look old in DAD. His arrival at the ice palace when he gets out the car and makes his joke about Mr.Kill springs to mind.
And his horrible entrance into the hotel in Hong Kong. Not only further from James Bond as I can imagine. Bond would never enter a hotel with his pyjama top un-buttoned like that, but I can't imagine Bond entering a hotel in pyjamas. Anyway the point I was going to make about that scene is that the man boobs have appeared and the stomach is probably bigger than it should be...for Bond. Just my spin on it anyway.
I thought PB looked ok in DAD, given that he was about fifty (forty-nine?). I think PB's fifth film was going to be for 2004 or 2005. That would have been ok for a farewell film but anything beyond would be approaching A View To a Kill territory. Personally I didn't agree with the 'Bring back Pierce' aspect to the original version of CNB and am glad that we moved on. That goal would quickly have become a bit ludicrous as Brosnan got older. I'd rather have had a new Bond film with a Cavill or Worthington or Gerry Butler or someone.
2004 would have been a good time for a final Brosnan outing. It's a shame he didn't do one in 2001 and then 2003. I miss the Bond film every two years cycle.
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Gary Seven wrote:Moore, Dalton and Brosnan were possible Bond candidates years before they took on the role because they had the James Bond look. Lazenby was cast because he had the James Bond look, and the Connery look.
No one mentioned Daniel Craig as a James Bond candidate befoe 2005, even though virtually everyone is traditionally linked with the role. That says a lot. When he was linked with the role in 2005 I thought it was a joke rumour along with the Ewan Stewart one. Let's face it, you could not find anyone who looks less like James Bond than Daniel Craig.
Exactly!
I think almost everyone thought it was a joke or some BS rumor when they first heard that Daniel Craig was in the running. I took it as seriously as I did the Ewan Stewart rumor.
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I don't think that Brosnan looks too old to play Bond there.stockslivevan wrote:I think the whole "let's find a bad pic of Craig to make a point" routine is old. I could use a bad picture of Brosnan and say "a-hah! he's too old!"
Yet when polished up, he looks fine. Why should an actor look exactly like Bond when he isn't playing Bond? Isn't that for the movies? That would be like saying Connery doesn't look the part just because he's bald. What about when Lazenby sported a beard at the premiere? I remember the press went all over that and said he looked un-Bond like.
I find it silly that even members would say "oh Craig is just wearing make up, don't believe in the spin" yet when Brosnan is doing that it's approved?
My only complaint with Craig's looks when were talking about age is that he looks far too old to be a rookie or near rookie Bond.
Again, as far as age is concerned, Craig doesn't look too old to be Bond, he looks too old to be a young Bond.
Now I have other complaints about Craig's looks, but those are that he has kind of an ugly face IMO, the blonde hair, and he's to short and muscular for Bond.
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Now I will admit that I was very, very unhappy with the changes that had been made, even before having seen CR. But I did still hope to enjoy the film when I sat down to watch it on a DVD that a friend of mine gave me of it.Kristatos wrote:Well, contrary to popular belief, most people here didn't walk into CR wanting to dislike it. It's not a case of sabotaging our own enjoyment of the film, for some of us, there was no enjoyment to sabotage. I have since seen it again on pay-per-view and enjoyed it even less the second time, whereas I can watch most Bond films over and over again. I hope QOS will be better, but I am less excited about it than any Bond film I've seen in the 30 years or so since I was first introduced to the series at the age of 11 when YOLT premiered on British TV (actually, I was already aware of Bond by then - I wanted to see TSWLM in the cinema, but my parents thought I was too young).retrokitty wrote:I think everyone's feelings about Craig and his take on Bond are valid. They are your own feelings and personal taste. But, I just think it's too bad that by stressing the negative so much, and wishing so much for a new Bond, that one might be missing out on some of the enjoyment in the latest film.
I watched it one time and hated it. And have never watched it a second time. Don't intend to either.
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Well to be honest, I was dragged in to see CR. The people on MI6 have heard this a thousand times but....
I had seen DAD and hated it. I was insulted that the makers should think that we'd all swallow such garbage.
So when years later the same friend with whom I'd seed DAD said he'd seen CR and thought I'd really like it, I said, "Right!! That's what you said about the last one." After some convincing, on January 17, 2007, I reluctantly saw CR.
And was blown away by it.
So you see, not only did I think it was going go to be bad because of my previous experience but I too thought that a blonde stocky Bond would not go over. But for me, it did.
I can totally see how one could list CR lower in their ranking of all the Bond films. But to hate it more than several others still surprises me. Especially to hate it just because of the actor's looks.
I'm not one of the girls that swoon over Daniel Craig. But I believed his Bond, his sarcastic charm etc.
I had seen DAD and hated it. I was insulted that the makers should think that we'd all swallow such garbage.
So when years later the same friend with whom I'd seed DAD said he'd seen CR and thought I'd really like it, I said, "Right!! That's what you said about the last one." After some convincing, on January 17, 2007, I reluctantly saw CR.
And was blown away by it.
So you see, not only did I think it was going go to be bad because of my previous experience but I too thought that a blonde stocky Bond would not go over. But for me, it did.
I can totally see how one could list CR lower in their ranking of all the Bond films. But to hate it more than several others still surprises me. Especially to hate it just because of the actor's looks.
I'm not one of the girls that swoon over Daniel Craig. But I believed his Bond, his sarcastic charm etc.

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Guys, these kind of posts are now old hat. You are still sounding like you are stuck in 2005, shortly after the announcement had been made, when the jury was out on Craig. Most people on here hate Craig, but their arguments have progressed since this.Eye Of The Tiger wrote:Gary Seven wrote:Moore, Dalton and Brosnan were possible Bond candidates years before they took on the role because they had the James Bond look. Lazenby was cast because he had the James Bond look, and the Connery look.
No one mentioned Daniel Craig as a James Bond candidate befoe 2005, even though virtually everyone is traditionally linked with the role. That says a lot. When he was linked with the role in 2005 I thought it was a joke rumour along with the Ewan Stewart one. Let's face it, you could not find anyone who looks less like James Bond than Daniel Craig.
Exactly!
I think almost everyone thought it was a joke or some BS rumor when they first heard that Daniel Craig was in the running. I took it as seriously as I did the Ewan Stewart rumor.
Just to bring you up to date, CR was released, Craig as Bond seemed to be a huge success, so was the film itself. Come this November, we will know for sure how much the world actually loves Craig as Bond.
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I take it you won't be in a rush to see the new film either.....Eye Of The Tiger wrote:Now I will admit that I was very, very unhappy with the changes that had been made, even before having seen CR. But I did still hope to enjoy the film when I sat down to watch it on a DVD that a friend of mine gave me of it.Kristatos wrote:Well, contrary to popular belief, most people here didn't walk into CR wanting to dislike it. It's not a case of sabotaging our own enjoyment of the film, for some of us, there was no enjoyment to sabotage. I have since seen it again on pay-per-view and enjoyed it even less the second time, whereas I can watch most Bond films over and over again. I hope QOS will be better, but I am less excited about it than any Bond film I've seen in the 30 years or so since I was first introduced to the series at the age of 11 when YOLT premiered on British TV (actually, I was already aware of Bond by then - I wanted to see TSWLM in the cinema, but my parents thought I was too young).retrokitty wrote:I think everyone's feelings about Craig and his take on Bond are valid. They are your own feelings and personal taste. But, I just think it's too bad that by stressing the negative so much, and wishing so much for a new Bond, that one might be missing out on some of the enjoyment in the latest film.
I watched it one time and hated it. And have never watched it a second time. Don't intend to either.
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I know, but I didn't want to rub it in....stockslivevan wrote:"Seemed" puts it very mildly.The Sweeney wrote:Just to bring you up to date, CR was released, Craig as Bond seemed to be a huge success, so was the film itself. Come this November, we will know for sure how much the world actually loves Craig as Bond.

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Why is dislking Daniel Craig's James Bond perfomance in Casino Royale and feeling that he looks nothing like James Bond "old hat"?The Sweeney wrote:Guys, these kind of posts are now old hat. You are still sounding like you are stuck in 2005, shortly after the announcement had been made, when the jury was out on Craig. Most people on here hate Craig, but their arguments have progressed since this.Eye Of The Tiger wrote:Gary Seven wrote:Moore, Dalton and Brosnan were possible Bond candidates years before they took on the role because they had the James Bond look. Lazenby was cast because he had the James Bond look, and the Connery look.
No one mentioned Daniel Craig as a James Bond candidate befoe 2005, even though virtually everyone is traditionally linked with the role. That says a lot. When he was linked with the role in 2005 I thought it was a joke rumour along with the Ewan Stewart one. Let's face it, you could not find anyone who looks less like James Bond than Daniel Craig.
Exactly!
I think almost everyone thought it was a joke or some BS rumor when they first heard that Daniel Craig was in the running. I took it as seriously as I did the Ewan Stewart rumor.
Just to bring you up to date, CR was released, Craig as Bond seemed to be a huge success, so was the film itself. Come this November, we will know for sure how much the world actually loves Craig as Bond.
Most people can admit that Craig looks nothing like James Bond. People and movie critics seemed to enjoy this post-modern aspect to Casino Royale. As Barbara Broccoli said, a James Bond who does not look like James Bond is "fun".
But it was bound to upset a few traditional Bond fans - it did!

To be honest I'm not really sure why people who liked Casino Royale have such a hard time understanding why it all left others cold. The Sweeney has made a series of posts arguing that Craig is a paradigm shift from the traditional James Bond character that we've all followed in the film series. If that is the case, and great if you like it, why is it so strange that others see it as a change for the worse? I wouldn't say CR was a terrible film, it was obviously competent and expensive, but as a James Bond film I did dislike it because of the changes to the character. It didn't seem like a James Bond film to me. Sure, this was partly intended, but even worse than that was my completely 'BLAH' reaction to DC who I found more dour than anything else. James Bond used to be suave & urbane and witty. That's why I became a James Bond fan in the first place. He was different from other screen heroes. I would prefer to be a huge fan of the new direction and DC but sadly I'm not. Stockslivevan's slightly disturbing banner actually reminds me why I found Craig unbelievable and unsuitable for James Bond.
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It's an alright movie.It hasn't held up.I said this before,but of all the movies in my collecion(both Bond films and non-Bond films)it's one that I won't be re-watching that much.Once a year,if that.Terry wrote:To be honest I'm not really sure why people who liked Casino Royale have such a hard time understanding why it all left others cold. The Sweeney has made a series of posts arguing that Craig is a paradigm shift from the traditional James Bond character that we've all followed in the film series. If that is the case, and great if you like it, why is it so strange that others see it as a change for the worse? I wouldn't say CR was a terrible film, it was obviously competent and expensive, but as a James Bond film I did dislike it because of the changes to the character. It didn't seem like a James Bond film to me. Sure, this was partly intended, but even worse than that was my completely 'BLAH' reaction to DC who I found more dour than anything else. James Bond used to be suave & urbane and witty. That's why I became a James Bond fan in the first place. He was different from other screen heroes. I would prefer to be a huge fan of the new direction and DC but sadly I'm not. Stockslivevan's slightly disturbing banner actually reminds me why I found Craig unbelievable and unsuitable for James Bond.
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Thanks Stocks. I thought the point I was making was obvious to everyone.stockslivevan wrote:He was talking about clinging onto public opinion in 2005, the hieght of anti-Craig, when people never saw his performance.Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:Why is dislking Daniel Craig's James Bond perfomance in Casino Royale and feeling that he looks nothing like James Bond "old hat"?
Obviously it wasn't.....

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I don't think it is so strange, and I don't have a hard time understanding either. Craig looks nothing like the previous actors, and he is not dark haired either. Also, the shift in character in CR is very different to the typical Moore/Brosnan Bond.Terry wrote:To be honest I'm not really sure why people who liked Casino Royale have such a hard time understanding why it all left others cold. The Sweeney has made a series of posts arguing that Craig is a paradigm shift from the traditional James Bond character that we've all followed in the film series. If that is the case, and great if you like it, why is it so strange that others see it as a change for the worse?
This is not difficult to understand at all. My post earlier was to do with the pre-2005 comments. Everyone has moved on since then. Surely the argument now is why you didn't like Craig in CR, and probably QOS too. Instead, the posts were sounding like I had just had a trip in Doc Brown's Delorian....