The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[kater23]

To be fair, I did point out the things that I thought didn't work.. I'd give Spectre a 7 out of 10.

[bjmdds]

I am glad you enjoyed it.

[ml94]

Wilson didnt wanted cast cregg either.

[John Drake]

I remember that many fans - including The Sweeney - praised QOS after the excitement of watching it at first, but soon realised it was not very good on subsequent viewings. I think this will happen with Spectre.

Correct. They tried to prop QoS up at first on the forums and were baffled by the poor reviews. After some time had passed they (mostly) admitted it wasn't very good. The same thing will happen with Spectre. It's funny to see them attacking critics and reviewers too for the mediocre RT score. Calling them cretins who don't know anything about Bond. They didn't complain when these same "cretins" who "don't know anything about Bond" were raving about Skyfall.

[John Drake]

Wilson didnt wanted cast cregg either.

Neither did Martin Campbell. Watch that 2005 press conference and notice how miserable Campbell looks.

[ml94]

Wilson didnt wanted cast cregg either.

Neither did Martin Campbell. Watch that 2005 press conference and notice how miserable Campbell looks.

Yeah, cubby turned on his grave on that day...

[English Agent]

An article from 'Variety' on the reason why Craig should stay on as Bond...........as he doesn't have any success, outside of the franchise!

http://variety.com/2015/film/box-office ... 201636184/

[The Saint 007]

An article from 'Variety' on the reason why Craig should stay on as Bond...........as he doesn't have any success, outside of the franchise!

http://variety.com/2015/film/box-office ... 201636184/

But times change and perhaps the series would benefit from a new attitude and face of the franchise.

You think?

“As long as they find someone else to replace him that fans respond to, the property will stay strong,” said Phil Contrino, vice president and chief analyst at BoxOffice.com. “People liked a darker Bond, but if he leaves, they may go back to more of the tongue-in-cheek not overly serious approach.”

Finally someone with common sense.

[ml94]

New distribution partner & new actor.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

From the linked Variety article:

“He lends a bit of mystery to the character,” said Rory Bruer, distribution chief at Sony, the studio overseeing the rollout of “Spectre.”

What mystery? Any mystery that Bond had, has been removed due to the reboot.

[Veronica]

From the linked Variety article:

“He lends a bit of mystery to the character,” said Rory Bruer, distribution chief at Sony, the studio overseeing the rollout of “Spectre.”

What mystery? Any mystery that Bond had, has been removed due to the reboot.

I remember one comment on Skyfall went like this:"The only mysterious thing about Bond now is how it got its rating." Exactly.

[Kristatos]

At last, a SPECTRE we can all get behind: http://www.garbage-file.com/2015/11/boo ... e.html?m=1

[dirtybenny]

From the linked Variety article:

“He lends a bit of mystery to the character,” said Rory Bruer, distribution chief at Sony, the studio overseeing the rollout of “Spectre.”

What mystery? Any mystery that Bond had, has been removed due to the reboot.

Mystery?! HA! The only thing I don't know about Craig's Bond is how many sugars he takes in his tea! I'm sure that oversight will be addressed in the next film!

I mean really, we know where he grew up, how old he was when his parents died, who he lived with after, who watched over his estate, that his foster brother is a mad man, and how he earned his double 0 rating!

At last, a SPECTRE we can all get behind: http://www.garbage-file.com/2015/11/boo ... e.html?m=1

Looks interesting, I see there is a forward by John Logan, too bad he didn't read it before writing the film, we could have avoided Brofeld!

Also if memory serves SPECTRE doesn't show up in TSWLM in film or book form so why is it included here?

[bjmdds]

This morning, on Fox's Good Day NY morning show, anchor Greg Kelly and sports reporter Duke Castiglione BOTH said ECT-TRE was "TERRIBLE", and aside from the action scenes, the plot was all over the place and a mess That's the kind of word of mouth I want here on tv shows I guess the people in the USA have more common sense than our own beloved Ms. Bouvier thought, when UNCLE was released. The international box office is the problem here because of the minions overseas who have received Broccoli's Imperious curse and have paid to see it under her spell Right FBF? You can come in from the ledge now too. Broccoli cannot save this film, no matter what tricks you feel she has up her sleeve

[Napoleon Solo]

QUESTION:
//Looks interesting, I see there is a forward by John Logan, too bad he didn't read it before writing the film, we could have avoided Brofeld!

Also if memory serves SPECTRE doesn't show up in TSWLM in film or book form so why is it included here?[/quote]////

In the novel, Bond is searching for Blofeld when he stops at the hotel. So SPECTRE doesn't show up, but if it hadn't been for SPECTRE, Bond wouldn't save the woman. At least that's the best I can come up with.

[shaken not stirred]

From the linked Variety article:

“He lends a bit of mystery to the character,” said Rory Bruer, distribution chief at Sony, the studio overseeing the rollout of “Spectre.”

What mystery? Any mystery that Bond had, has been removed due to the reboot.

LOL that's a laugh if staring in to space and pouting is supposed to be mystery then I'm batman, craig is about as much james bond as My foot and yeah agreed he's ruined bond now along with this uneeded shoddy forced artsy garbage reboot that's done nothing but piss on 40 years of this once great franchise (now that I've seen kingsman I can happily say that's what bond is missing today, WAKE UP EON), I don't care if bond is dark, dark isn't always fun infact it's usually very boring if that's all a character is, hence why i didn't bother with man of steel (no offense to Caville but I hate what superman is now).

Also the news about Brocolli wanting to keep Craig is insulting, he bites the hand that feeds him and he's allowed off and that's truly disgraceful, the guy should be happy he's even got this popular (not that I enjoy it again mind) instead of acting like our footballers who get all the money in the world whether they win or lose and complain how difficult it is), if I could don that tux, have that lifestyle I'd be over the moon, again like Capaldi with doc who we need a real actor who wants to be bond instead of someone who wants to get in bonds head, bring back his mystery, leave his personal issues somewhere else and let him just do his job and ENJOY IT FOR ONCE.

I will never watch spectre and if I ever do it will be if someone I know rents it as I'm not giving Eon or anyone else who thinks the old fans are below them a penny, kingsman 2 on the otherhand will get My money as they've ticked all the right boxes (screw bond until it ever goes back to what its supposed to be I don't want too gritty, dull, pretentious, moody bs, get your arthouse bs out of My bond and give him a goddamn spine back).

If I was craigs employer he would've been sacked by now you never slag off your employers, seems like one rule for them and another for the rest of us.

Craig will return in for your money only.

[bjmdds]

Rollingstone.com: Spectre lurches to the finish line with the enthusiasm of a child paying off their late father's debts, the plot losing all of its considerable velocity as it's sideswiped by four films' worth of contrived exposition. And as Bond returns to London for a final showdown with "the architect of all his pain," the tail is wagging the dog so hard that the pooch seems like he might get sick. The trail of breadcrumbs that lead 007 to the darkened husk of MI6's former headquarters was often compelling, but that doesn't make it any easier to cook them into a feast. Watching the abandoned facility crumbles into dust, it feels like a perfect metaphor for a series that built a structure for its hero only to blow it up from the inside. The problem isn't that the Daniel Craig run was determined to give James Bond a past, the problem is that it only did so to satisfy the demands of the present. Just like putting a pot into a kiln exposes the flaws of its sculpting, ending a story can reveal the weaknesses of its telling (see The Dark Knight Rises — or better yet, don't). In Skyfall, Raoul Silva told Bond to think on his sins; in Spectre, audiences have to pay for them. Serialized storytelling has a place in the movies, but every franchise can't afford to play by the same rules, even if studios delude themselves into thinking that they literally can't afford to play any other way. Besides, when have the rules ever applied to a man who has a license to kill? After five decades of waking up to Groundhog Day, he shouldn't be afraid of seeing his own shadow.

[bjmdds]

Mendes has also said he would not return to helm a third Bond film and in an interview with Deadline, he explained why. "The pronouncements after the last movie were taken seriously and I then had to undo them when I agreed to make this movie. Without giving too much away, the difference here for me is, this movie draws together all four of Daniel’s movies into one final story, and he completes a journey. That wasn’t the case last time. There is a sense of completeness that wasn’t there at the end of Skyfall, and that’s what makes this feel different. It feels like there’s a rightness to it, that I have finished a journey. I’m not talking about Daniel here because Daniel may absolutely turn around six months’ time and feel his energy renewed. Or he might say just the opposite. If he is as sensible as I think he is, he needs to go away and have some time to think and do another job that’s completely different, which he’s already doing with Othello." If this were the last film for both Craig and Mendes, it would not be surprising as the movie does tie together several plot elements, but there has long been a rumor that Daniel Craig's contract was for five films. Producer Michael G Wilson confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter that while Craig does not have a contract for a fifth 007 film, he is confident they will have him returning for one more.

[Kristatos]

If he is as sensible as I think he is, he needs to go away and have some time to think and do another job that’s completely different, which he’s already doing with Othello."

First I'd heard about his Othello, but I Googled it. I see he is playing Iago and not the title role - that's racist!

[Omega]

What? He does not have a contract for 5 total ?

WTF !? It's common knowledge he had three to start with and after skyfall it was extended to two more. 5 in all


But from the way mendes talks maybe this is the end of days of our spys.


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