The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

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Good Lord. Will you look at this stupidity?

‘Spectre’ Director Sam Mendes Says New James Bond Movie Is an Origin Story: ‘This Is Only the Beginning’

The beginning of what? The end?

I haven't got a problem with character development. I think a bit of it is important and, done right, it can be interesting. The biggest problem I've got with this is that the character they are trying to explore clearly isn't James Bond. It's not James Bond because instead of exploring the character that was gradually established over all the Fleming novels and decades of movies, they are choosing instead to totally rewrite the character's history. This means that any possible interest a viewer might have over how he became the effortlessly confident, resilient, charming and resourceful hero is rendered null and void because most if not all of those attributes have been discarded in the reboot. The established events in Bond's history are thrown away and rewritten without a second thought. How is that developing a character? Surely it weakens the character. Why should we care how Craig's pouting, miserable spy originated?

This sort of character development is invariably made illogical and ambiguous anyway to give the critics something to get all excited about. They seem to think that makes it arty. Me, I just think it's a waste of screen time.

Aside from all that, too much of this melodramatic fluff and it's no longer an action movie. Despite all the action scenes, it can make it quite dull. But we already know this.

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“Bond has been rebooted at the end of the movie,”

Oh, the irony. Well it barely qualifies as irony, but I wonder why Mendes is actually using the word "reboot". Is he going to be directing the next Bond movie? It suggests a desire to distance the next offerings from the previous Craig movies. Why would they want to do that? I thought they were supposed to be the best Bond movies EVA. Is this because they want to take the Spectre thing and run with it for another movie or two? I would bet good money that within one or two Bond outings the Spectre concept will be obliterated. All trace of the organization and Blofeld will be destroyed. Eon have been trying to get the rights to the names and characters back for years but that won't matter because creating a ummm spectacle is more important.

[Omega]

Each movie is supposedly bond beginning.


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[acid]

Lots of posts for me today, but it's just occurred to me as well that the classic Bond of the movies and to a lesser extent the novels, is really a manifestation of the zenith, the pinnacle of all of the qualities an ordinary man might aspire to have. He's not quite a superhero but he is just about the closest a real man could ever come to that in the real world. A lot of what the classic Bond does is implausible but arguably never physically impossible (I'm sure someone will find me a counter example). Anyway, I like this concept and it's a concept that was obviously eschewed and thrown out when the Craig era began.

This brings me to the point I want to make about exploring Bond's origins. I think for the ultimate human male character, it would be a fool's errand to try to explain his origins because anyone who knew exactly how to reach those heights of human achievement could probably have done so themselves and be a true James Bond. Anyone trying to plausibly describe how a character like that was created is likely to fail awfully. Even Fleming maintained an air of mystery about the character and how he came to be the man he is.

Of course none of this matters to Babs's crew because Craig's Bond is not that peak human being - he's a depressed thug so they just have to spend lots of time dwelling on lots of that hurt. Great, isn't it?

[Omega]

Btw Compton has a lot more showings than uncle with fewer theater count


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[acid]

Each movie is supposedly bond beginning.

Yeah in Skyfall it was both Batbond begins and he was supposed to be old and tired at the same time.

[bjmdds]

The Man from U.N.C.L.E was on 3,638 screens and made a not-hip $3,720 on each one. The quirky but undeniable charms of Guy Ritchie's film just couldn't be communicated to wide audiences, even with three up-and-coming stars attached like Henry Cavill, Armie Hammer and Alicia Vikander and a reported production budget of $75M. That figure probably didn't include all of the other costs associated with the long-gestating reboot of the 1964-1968 TV show. It's been around so long it was once to be directed by Steven Soderbergh and once had the lead role of Napoleon Solo claimed by both George Clooney and Tom Cruise.

In holdovers, that very same actor's Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation continued to hang on, making $17.3M, taking a gentle 39% decrease from last week, and claiming the #2 spot on the box office chart. On 3,700 theaters the film has a domestic cume of $138.4M...........a certain Italian member of this magnificent forum is NOT going to be happy with these results.

[Omega]

Each movie is supposedly bond beginning.

Yeah in Skyfall it was both Batbond begins and he was supposed to be old and tired at the same time.

you're right he's been trying to quit for 3 movies because he's burned out . Remember all the qos anti American anti British the cia = Americans are the bad guys so are the Brits because they work with us.

What was line about the Americans being angry le chiffre being kill and Craig says they should of made a deal with a priest for his soul... WTF

Then the miserable duo sipping product placement at the bar


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[The Sweeney]

I don't really know why we are 4 films in, and still talking of origin stories, and exploring who Bond really is. CR should have been the only film to do that, and by the end of the film, when Craig finally says `The names' Bond, James Bond!' that should have been the end of it.

Instead, QoS carried on where we left off in CR. Bond is still not quite Bond yet. He isn't going to let anyone in, and still looking for his Quantum of Solace, not sleeping with the female at the end of this film, instead still angst ridden and looking for closure to move on.

By SF we suddenly jump from Bond Begins, to Bond at the end of his career. Washed up, worn out, lost his mojo, looking to get back to where he once was (but where is that exactly? the Bond from QoS?) including the specatcle of going back to his house in Scotland, something which was never really touched upon by Fleming, other than a brief mention.

But by the end of SF things looked promising. We see that final scene, Bond ready to get back to work, in M's 1960's throwback office, and we've come full circle again. Great. Maybe THIS time we have finished the origin reboot arc, so the next film will start afresh.

But no. Another origin story, The reboot continues, and Bond has a secret. His past is being resurrected again, although this past is again nothing to do with Fleming. SPECTRE, Blofeld and Bond's childhood have nothing to do with each other, so why are we going there?

Ever since LTK we've had some kind of personal angle for Bond, although at least in that particular film it didn't get in the way of the story too much, and still felt like it was part of the old series.

[Omega]

I thought ltk made sense, even ge. The rest made it "personal" or he had to go rogue for no real reason.




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[bjmdds]

Sweeney, where have you been? Broccoli has destroyed the iconic character to cinematic rubble It's over MI:6 awaits, right FBF?

[Veronica]

Lots of posts for me today, but it's just occurred to me as well that the classic Bond of the movies and to a lesser extent the novels, is really a manifestation of the zenith, the pinnacle of all of the qualities an ordinary man might aspire to have. He's not quite a superhero but he is just about the closest a real man could ever come to that in the real world. A lot of what the classic Bond does is implausible but arguably never physically impossible (I'm sure someone will find me a counter example). Anyway, I like this concept and it's a concept that was obviously eschewed and thrown out when the Craig era began.

This brings me to the point I want to make about exploring Bond's origins. I think for the ultimate human male character, it would be a fool's errand to try to explain his origins because anyone who knew exactly how to reach those heights of human achievement could probably have done so themselves and be a true James Bond. Anyone trying to plausibly describe how a character like that was created is likely to fail awfully. Even Fleming maintained an air of mystery about the character and how he came to be the man he is.

Of course none of this matters to Babs's crew because Craig's Bond is not that peak human being - he's a depressed thug so they just have to spend lots of time dwelling on lots of that hurt. Great, isn't it?

Thats what I always liked the best-mystery. We never exactly knew where the man came from or much about his past prior to work in MI6. "Finding about Bond's past" is not Fleming's Bond and its laughable that they are trying to sell it as that. Fleming's Bond was a level-headed man,that had an eye for details(for ex. His description of Drax),was somehow world-weary and also liked to enjoy in luxury and finer things in life. I won't begin with physical description because we all know where Craig stands.
But I guess its much easier to sell him as Fleming's Bond because much less people read the books.
As you said character devolpment of James Bond
can be interesting. But this is not James Bond they are talking about anymore. They are just dragging things saying this is "how Bond became Bond". They are foolling us. Its clear this is not James Bond anymore.

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Thats what I always liked the best-mystery. We never exactly knew where the man came from or much about his past prior to work in MI6.

Yeah mystery can add a lot to a heroic character. To give an extreme example it is also done very well by Clint Eastwood with some of his characters such as the Man with No Name.

[Kristatos]

Thats what I always liked the best-mystery. We never exactly knew where the man came from or much about his past prior to work in MI6.

Yeah mystery can add a lot to a heroic character. To give an extreme example it is also done very well by Clint Eastwood with some of his characters such as the Man with No Name.

The Doctor is another good example. A Doctor Who origin story would rob the character of a lot of his mystery.

[bjmdds]

You cannot do an origin story where a 50 year old franchise already established it's cinematic characters..........but as Broccoli said before CR, "doing book one as film 21 makes no sense, but it's fun anyway"..........that's the mentality at EON...............MATTHEW BOND FOR THE DAILY MAIL: "His Sherlock Holmes movies were stylish box office gold. So what a pity Guy Ritchie has turned into The Man From U.N.C.O.O.L. The acting, the humour, the script… this is a film that falls miserably short right across the board. The chemistry between Cavill and Hammer, the latter handicapped by a dreadful Russian accent, would struggle to light up a shoe box. Yes, there are still one or two stylish moments to admire – I enjoyed Solo’s rescue of Kuryakin from a particularly watery fate – but with punchline after punchline falling flat and the few chuckles there are coming from sexual innuendo that’s straight from James Bond, The Man From U.N.C.L.E. is one of the big disappointments of the summer and will surely struggle to secure the sequel it half-heartedly sets itself up for."...............(It sounds like a mess of a film.)

[bjmdds]

For the third straight weekend, Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation topped the overseas charts, this frame taking $46.1 million (-29%) from 62 total territories. Its overseas cume is now $235.3 million and the global tally is $373.437 million. New openings include #1 in France ($7.0M at 788 screens), Brazil ($3.5M from 493 locations), and Portugal ($602K). Key holdovers include Japan ($5.2M/$20.4M cume), South Korea ($3.9M/$38.3M cume), UK/Ireland ($2.6M/$23.1M cume), Germany ($2.3M/$6.7M cume), India ($2.2M/$10.7M cume), Middle East region ($2.2M/$8.6M cume), Russia ($1.6M/$8.3M cume), Australia ($1.3M/$8.8M cume), and Spain ($840K/$4.0M cume). MI5 comes to China on September 8...........Jurassic World continued its dominance in Japan this weekend, roaring to $7.4 million from 352 screens for first place. It has now grossed $34.9 million in 12 days. Overall, Universal’s dino blockbuster racked up $8.9 million (-41%) from 63 territories this weekend for $968.3 million overseas and $1.6063 billion worldwide.

[The Saint 007]

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[Kristatos]

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I can't stop giggling at the "kite dancing in a hurricane" joke, or "I'd like you to be my wife. I hope you like squid."

[English Agent]

Umm............'The Man from Uncle'...................what a surprise, i havn't seen the film, so i can't judge it..............but its North American BO opening was absolutely dreadful.
I can understand, people giving a film bad word of mouth AFTER initially going to see the film...................but how come very few people in America even thought of going to see the film in the first place???
I thought the American people would of at least initially embraced one of their iconic screen shows, even just out of curiosity to of gone to see the film for themselves!
Luckily, for the film studio the film appears to of made some money internationally.............but that truly dismal weekend in the States will surely mean no more Uncle films!

Anyway.........Americans can at least look forward to another spy film soon...... 'Spectre' ..........oops

[Omega]

Umm............'The Man from Uncle'...................what a surprise, i havn't seen the film, so i can't judge it..............but its North American BO opening was absolutely dreadful.
I can understand, people giving a film bad word of mouth AFTER initially going to see the film...................but how come very few people in America even thought of going to see the film in the first place???
I thought the American people would of at least initially embraced one of their iconic screen shows, even just out of curiosity to of gone to see the film for themselves!
Luckily, for the film studio the film appears to of made some money internationally.............but that truly dismal weekend in the States will surely mean no more Uncle films!

Anyway.........Americans can at least look forward to another spy film soon...... 'Spectre' ..........oops

It could be too close to mi. Could be nobody cared.
Could be a bad movie.


But my problem was the show times , around me it played 4-5 times a day, I didn't get to it because the times were inconvenient.

Compton had at least 12 showing, mi 13-15, fantastic 4 12-13 showings.

No way in hell it could compete even with more screen. Almost wonder if wb threw the game to be in the running for bond distributor ship.


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