Fleming Bond elimination game

Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Dr. No » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:41 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Live and Let Die - 2 points
Moonraker - 7 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 10 points
Dr. No - 11 points (1+)
Goldfinger - 5 points (+1)
Risico - 5 points
The Hildebrand Rarity - 1 points (1-)
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 5 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:55 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Live and Let Die - 1 point (1-)
Moonraker - 7 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 10 points
Dr. No - 12 points (1+)
Goldfinger - 5 points (+1)
Risico - 5 points
The Hildebrand Rarity - 1 point
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 5 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Dr. No » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:11 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
:007: Live and Let Die - 0 point (1-) :007:
Moonraker - 7 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 10 points
Dr. No - 13 points (1+)
Goldfinger - 5 points (+1)
Risico - 5 points
The Hildebrand Rarity - 1 point
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 5 points[/quote]
I was flipping through LALD man would it be banned today. :shock:
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:29 pm

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 7 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 10 points
Dr. No - 14 points + 1
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 5 points
The Hildebrand Rarity - 0 point - 1
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 5 points

I don't think LALD is that bad - it is of it's time; it's a good thriller with good locations and some iconic characters. There are some similar racist language in some of the other noevels "chigros" for example. One bit in LALD I felt was a bit odd was the part where Bond is escaping from Mr Big in New York and he is facing Big's henchman in a car park and Fleming writes lines like "Bond shot at one negro, then punched the negro in the red shirt...then was shot at by the tall negro" etc. The use of the word negro is very jarring.
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:33 pm

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 7 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 10 points
Dr. No - 15 points (+1)
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 5 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 4 points (-1)

No, the racist language in LALD has to be seen in the context of its time, but it's still pretty jarring for a modern reader. It was enough to make me vote against the book. I have to say that i find this game much harder than the movie games, because Fleming's books were far more consistent in quality than the movies, so votes have to be made based on factors that would be considered nitpicking when you're talking about films that range in quality from QOS to Goldfinger. For example, I voted against TMWTGG this time, although I don't really consider it that inferior to Fleming's other work.

Eliminated :skull:

21 - Agent 007 in New York
20 - Quantum of Solace
19 - Live and Let Die
18 - The Hildebrand Rarity
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Dr. No » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:37 pm

Negress was the word that shocked me made Fleming sound like a good ol boy democrat.

In its time LALD is not overly raciest but today wow :shock:
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby carl stromberg » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:58 pm

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points + 1
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 10 points
Dr. No - 15 points
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 4 points - 1
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 4 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:50 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 11 points (+1)
Dr. No - 15 points
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 4 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 3 points (-1)

Do you have something against the short stories, Carl?
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Dr. No » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:41 pm

[quote="Kristatos"]Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 12 points (+1)
Dr. No - 15 points
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 4 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 2 points (-1)
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:35 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 13 points (+1)
Dr. No - 15 points
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 4 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 7 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 7 points
The Man With the Golden Gun - 1 point (-1)
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby mcbride007 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:12 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 13 points
Dr. No - 16 points + 1
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 4 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
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The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points - 1
The Man With the Golden Gun - 1 point
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby carl stromberg » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:37 pm

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 13 points
Dr. No - 16 points +
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 3 points - 1
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points + 1
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points -
The Man With the Golden Gun - 1 point
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:09 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 8 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 13 points
Dr. No - 17 points (+1)
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 5 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points -
The Man With the Golden Gun - 0 points :007:

Eliminated :skull:

21 - Agent 007 in New York
20 - Quantum of Solace
19 - Live and Let Die
18 - The Hildebrand Rarity
17 - The Man With the Golden Gun
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby carl stromberg » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:54 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 9 points + 1
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 13 points
Dr. No - 17 points (
Goldfinger - 5 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 4 points - 1
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:24 am

Casino Royale - 5 points
Moonraker - 9 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 13 points
Dr. No - 17 points
Goldfinger - 6 points + 1
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 3 points - 1
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:47 pm

Casino Royale - 4 points(-1)
Moonraker - 9 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 14 points (+4)
Dr. No - 17 points
Goldfinger - 6 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 3 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points

It's already getting tougher. I don't dislike CR, but the plot seems a bit slight compared to the other novels.
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Dr. No » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:48 am

Casino Royale - 3 points(-1)
Moonraker - 9 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 15 points (+4)
Dr. No - 17 points
Goldfinger - 6 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 3 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points
I do like FRWL its a great prequil up to Dr No. :wink:
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:51 pm

Casino Royale - 2 points (-1)
Moonraker - 9 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 16 points (+1)
Dr. No - 17 points
Goldfinger - 6 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 3 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 4 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby mcbride007 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:38 am

Casino Royale - 2 points
Moonraker - 9 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 17 points (+1)
Dr. No - 17 points
Goldfinger - 6 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 3 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 3 points - 1
You Only Live Twice - 6 points
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Re: Fleming Bond elimination game

Postby Kristatos » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:15 am

Casino Royale - 1 point (-1)
Moonraker - 9 points
Diamonds are Forever - 5 points
From Russia, With Love - 18 points (+1)
Dr. No - 17 points
Goldfinger - 6 points
Risico - 3 points
From a View to a Kill - 5 points
For Your Eyes Only - 5 points
Thunderball - 5 points
Octopussy - 5 points
The Living Daylights - 5 points
The Property of a Lady - 3 points
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 8 points
The Spy Who Loved Me - 3 points
You Only Live Twice - 6 points
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