The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Alessandra]

Could Barbara only afford to give money to the English and US magazines?

Very little surprises me about Babs .....

Ditto.

Clearly, she can only influence so much of the press. Not coincidentally of the total four negative reviews for CR was on Italy's biggest and most prestigious newspaper (Corriere della Sera). And the only other one who openly opposed it was the critic from the Independent. The other two were perplexed but not openly slamming it down. Pretty sure what Kezich said on Corriere della Sera was the most negative review they got. Too bad the poor man passed away, it would have been freaking hilarious to read the Quantum of Solace one from him. Considering what he rightly wrote about CR, I can only imagine how far he would have gone with QoS!

The fashion magazines take themselves WAY too seriously in Italy and France to even consider Daniel Craig. Babs would have had to pay shitloads of money for that to happen

[Captain Nash]

Must be a slow news week.

[katied]

Could Barbara only afford to give money to the English and US magazines?

Very little surprises me about Babs .....

Ditto.

Clearly, she can only influence so much of the press. Not coincidentally of the total four negative reviews for CR was on Italy's biggest and most prestigious newspaper (Corriere della Sera). And the only other one who openly opposed it was the critic from the Independent. The other two were perplexed but not openly slamming it down. Pretty sure what Kezich said on Corriere della Sera was the most negative review they got. Too bad the poor man passed away, it would have been freaking hilarious to read the Quantum of Solace one from him. Considering what he rightly wrote about CR, I can only imagine how far he would have gone with QoS!

The fashion magazines take themselves WAY too seriously in Italy and France to even consider Daniel Craig. Babs would have had to pay shitloads of money for that to happen

Empire and Total Film are pretty pro-Bond, even though some Bond fans don't think so..they aren't afraid to criticize a bit either which is good.It's called an opinion.I think some of the diehards forget that.

[Captain Nash]

Very true.

Though sometimes an opinion borders on obsessive, almost to the point of insanity.
Now back to flogging a dead horse.

[katied]

Not talking about you specifically, Nash, but I've noticed that fans are bothered by the oddest things-and obsess-because there is really is no other way to put it-over certain things. Dame Judi as M is one.I don't get the hatred people have for her.Though if there is a long wait for the next movie, they may have to recast Bond, as well as M. She really should be able to play M as long as she's able(JMO).

[Kristatos]

Not talking about you specifically, Nash, but I've noticed that fans are bothered by the oddest things-and obsess-because there is really is no other way to put it-over certain things. Dame Judi as M is one.I don't get the hatred people have for her.Though if there is a long wait for the next movie, they may have to recast Bond, as well as M. She really should be able to play M as long as she's able(JMO).

Nothing wrong with Dame Judi's M, but I think the role should have been recast for CR, if they had to go ahead with this silly reboot idea (though I'd have preferred to keep Dame Judi and not have the reboot. Or Craig).

[Kristatos]

Worthington is going to be looked back at as one of the biggest missed opportunities in the history of Bond. He is becoming a big star on his own unlike Craig

Number 8 in this year's list of most bankable stars:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/35/20101222/tm ... 1d56c.html

Daniel Craig is nowhere to be seen.

[Alessandra]

Not talking about you specifically, Nash, but I've noticed that fans are bothered by the oddest things-and obsess-because there is really is no other way to put it-over certain things. Dame Judi as M is one.I don't get the hatred people have for her.Though if there is a long wait for the next movie, they may have to recast Bond, as well as M. She really should be able to play M as long as she's able(JMO).

Nothing wrong with Dame Judi's M, but I think the role should have been recast for CR, if they had to go ahead with this silly reboot idea (though I'd have preferred to keep Dame Judi and not have the reboot. Or Craig).

That would certainly have been the ideal scenario LOL. No Craig, we keep M. And Pierce. Then someone else (Cavill, thank you) would have taken over. And I wouldn't have had to erase two movies from my memory and try to forget that man ever wore the tux as Bond, ruining Bond's image. UGH. Focus on the future, more traditional Bond... focus! LOL

[bjmdds]

Worthington is going to be looked back at as one of the biggest missed opportunities in the history of Bond. He is becoming a big star on his own unlike Craig

Number 8 in this year's list of most bankable stars:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/35/20101222/tm ... 1d56c.html

Daniel Craig is nowhere to be seen.

You hit the nail on the head here and it boggles the mind that Eon does not get this. Cr-egg has ZERO star power and whatever he had is gone. He is yesterday's news and as Felix Ungar would say is "an inane drone"!

[katied]

Eh, Babs might try to justify it..but he hasn't done a Bond film for over 2 years... she can't buy her way on to a list like that..no matter how money she flashes at them.

[Captain Nash]

Whilst I appreciate your concerns of the casting of Craig as Bond. (He's not for all Bond fans), I really don't think that Worthington would've been a better alternative.
In the past I thought he had the right look. But then I saw him in a couple of films, and he doesn't have the right charisma or class that Bond needs. He's also not much of an actor imo.
We'll disagree on this, but Craig can pull that off. Like I said, let's just agree to disagree on that one.
Henry Cavill has certainly grown on me as a potential Bond #7. Same to with Richard Armitage. Though I think Armitage's role in Spooks may hinder his chances.
I still think you're going to have to endure Bond 23 with Craig.
He's shown no signs of wanting to leave, nor have MGM or EON made any statement suggesting that Bond 23 would feature another actor.
After Bond 23 I think you may be able to crack open the champagne.

[katied]

I like the fact Worthington was able to admit that Clash Of The Titans was crap. Good man.

[carl stromberg]

It's surprising that Richard Armitage is not more famous.





Merry Christmas to everyone!

[Kristatos]

I still think you're going to have to endure Bond 23 with Craig.
He's shown no signs of wanting to leave, nor have MGM or EON made any statement suggesting that Bond 23 would feature another actor.
After Bond 23 I think you may be able to crack open the champagne.

Well, Pierce showed no sign of wanting to leave either, and the first we heard about Craig's casting was about a month before shooting on CR started. But you may be right, Bond 23 with Craig has already been announced. Whether there will be a Bond 24 afterwards remains to be seen.

[Mazer Rackham]

I still think you're going to have to endure Bond 23 with Craig.
He's shown no signs of wanting to leave, nor have MGM or EON made any statement suggesting that Bond 23 would feature another actor.
After Bond 23 I think you may be able to crack open the champagne.

Well, Pierce showed no sign of wanting to leave either, and the first we heard about Craig's casting was about a month before shooting on CR started. But you may be right, Bond 23 with Craig has already been announced. Whether there will be a Bond 24 afterwards remains to be seen.

Early days yet. Craig would come back for the payday alone but he is not motivated by Bond like Dalton or Brazza were. Timmy was reminiscing how they were starting production on his third, directors were hired and such when it all fell through, if he is not disillusion now he was being rolled back in the day. A third movie for him was never going to happen.

MGM doesn't care who Bond is as long as the movies crank out like a sausage factory, although replacing him will probably help them and they know it. There is a fight coming up even and it doesn't have to concern casting. EON did suggest they might loses actors and directors because of scheduling conflicts the delay causes. The door was opened with that casual comment however casting Craig started a s**t storm that is still on going. Babs would keep him on out of spite if not because of her strange obsession. Craig is a bit of fizzle another actor or a new actor could easily out preform him and perhaps finally turn the coroner for the franchise.

I think when a budget is finally beginning to be hammered out that is where they hit the breaks again. MGM is not out of bankruptcy for a few more months and they have announced after their infusion of cash they are unable to afford the bloated Bond budget, what happens next it depends if MGM is so desperate they don't care and capitulate to Eon or if they or whoever their new partner is try to slim the budget under 200m. Take money away from a Broccoli and they'll drop the whole damned series in the river rather than take a dime less.

[Alessandra]

Whilst I appreciate your concerns of the casting of Craig as Bond. (He's not for all Bond fans), I really don't think that Worthington would've been a better alternative.
In the past I thought he had the right look. But then I saw him in a couple of films, and he doesn't have the right charisma or class that Bond needs. He's also not much of an actor imo.
We'll disagree on this, but Craig can pull that off. Like I said, let's just agree to disagree on that one.
Henry Cavill has certainly grown on me as a potential Bond #7. Same to with Richard Armitage. Though I think Armitage's role in Spooks may hinder his chances.
I still think you're going to have to endure Bond 23 with Craig.
He's shown no signs of wanting to leave, nor have MGM or EON made any statement suggesting that Bond 23 would feature another actor.
After Bond 23 I think you may be able to crack open the champagne.

I agree about Worthington. I don't find him all that much different from Craig. He doesn't have the charisma or class. Yeah, in my case, I think he is just like Craig in terms of fitting Bond (so he doesn't fit at all IMO). But, he's certainly got more "star power" than Craig. What he's done and how he is looked upon are clear signs of it. I do think the Craig wave has come and passed, like others do. But that doesn't mean he can't have one last Bond movie. Provided they manage to meet the very tight deadline.

I'm REALLY glad that Henry Cavill has grown on you as a potential Bond #7 I really, REALLY want him to be the next Bond! And I can start swooning on Bond again, and watching Bond movies over and over again with a big grin on my face! And I can dream again of romancing Bond (what, I'm a girl, deal with it, Bond has been my Prince Charming since age 2 It brutally stopped with Daniel Craig )

About Bond 23: I said many times, if Craig is the one to do it, so be it. But that has to happen by 2012. My idea though is that as things stand, there's no way they're gonna be able to have a movie released by 2012. Unless something happens really quickly. That said, again, I can deal with Craig doing Bond 23, as long as it happens quickly AND it doesn't tank the franchise. They can't afford another QoS. Craig knows that... and the new investors will, too. Which, gives me a lot of doubts about how Bond 23 will actually go in the end and whether or not Craig will be in it. But again... I can live with Bond 23 with Craig. As long as it's not horrid like QoS and as long as they give me Cavill after!!

[Alessandra]

It's surprising that Richard Armitage is not more famous.





Merry Christmas to everyone!

Forgot to quote and reply! MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TOO! and everyone else!

[bjmdds]

Happy holidays to all as well. May excellent health grace all our lives and may Eon replace Cr-egg in 2011 . Worthington is NOT Bond material at all. You have only 2 choices:Jackman for an immediate 3 films or Cavill for a decade of films. As you look back on the past 5 years of Bond forums, it turns out WE were proven correct and the experiment of an avant garde Bond by Barbara Broccoli has failed and the forums at MI6 and CB.net have turned out to be the minority opinion of a proper Bond. Long live this magnificent forum!

[katied]

Happy holidays indeed!I got what I wanted for Christmas, so I'm happy.

[Alessandra]

Happy holidays to all as well. May excellent health grace all our lives and may Eon replace Cr-egg in 2011 . Worthington is NOT Bond material at all. You have only 2 choices:Jackman for an immediate 3 films or Cavill for a decade of films. As you look back on the past 5 years of Bond forums, it turns out WE were proven correct and the experiment of an avant garde Bond by Barbara Broccoli has failed and the forums at MI6 and CB.net have turned out to be the minority opinion of a proper Bond. Long live this magnificent forum!

I couldn't agree more! Both for wishes and for Bond analysis. Well-put! I agree it's either Jackman for an immediate 2-3 films (he couldn't do more than that, while looking way younger than Craig - not to mention Jackman is bloody hot and stylish - he is starting to get too old for the part) or Cavill for yeah, a decade of films So d**n true that WE (the Craig era dissidents) were proven correct, and the others ARE in fact the minority opinion of a proper Bond (ahem, QoS anyone?). May the new investors oblige Broccoli to stand back with her absurd ideas (which lucklily will easily be the case).

I feel relieved I'm not the only one deeming Worthington not right for Bond. Sometimes I feel like I am too darn picky, but he, to me, is just another version of Craig. Better in terms of looks for sure, but the lack of style/charm/panache is exactly the same IMO.

Best wishes to everyone for health, prosperity and happiness... and indeed, may Eon replace Cr-egg in 2011, or at least give us the RIGHT announcement for who is going to replace him after Bond 23

Most importantly, I second the statement about this magnificent forum! I'm glad I found out about it at last! I just wish I had sooner!

Katie, you got what you wanted? Uhm, Sir Sean under a Mango tree!?