The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

The core posters here could all meet up in San Diego and then fly to the UK and collaborate on our mutual script. If we all go back and forth in the writing until we all agree it is a hit, it would be a hit for we know far more than Broccoli what Bond is and should be. Hey Barbara, if you are reading this, meet us in San Diego and the UK and we will show you how to write a proper Bond script. Enough with her lame directors and non-spy writers.

[Bond77]

As far as the quandary EON finds itself in, and as you alluded to, I say that it would be fine to scrap the whole reboot altogether and have the next Bond film be a "regular" one with a "regular" lead. It's not like the majority of the audience are waiting with bated breath to see what becomes of Quantum, as if the cliffhanger is comparable to The Empire Strikes Back or "Who Shot J.R." What a ridiculous notion! No, more likely the majority of people who saw Quantum of Solace didn't really understand what was going on because it is so incoherent, and by forty-five minutes into the film could care less anyway. By the time EON gets around to making a new Bond film, most will have forgotten who or what Quantum is.

There was no cliffhanger. Quantum has been established, and can be used or not used in future films as the filmmakers see fit. It wouldn't bother me overmuch either way.

I was under the impression that there was meant to be more with Quantum and whoever that lady is that Bond helped, but perhaps I've fallen victim to the film's incoherence as well

[Bond77]

The tragic thing about Barbara and the servants she hires is that they think they are respected artists making Bond serious and relevant but, in their own miserable way, CR & QOS were just as daft as anything that went before. I'm fed up with these idiots talking about Bond as if it's Crime and Punishment and the thought of Daniel Craig playing Bond again in 2013 or something with pancake make-up and his one facial expression is too much to take. Hire some writers who love Bond, get a younger actor who looks like James Bond and reboot the reboot. Then we can watch the other forums say how great the new actor is and enjoy the traditional retrospective downgrading of the previous actor.

A recipe for success.

[Bond77]

The core posters here could all meet up in San Diego and then fly to the UK and collaborate on our mutual script. If we all go back and forth in the writing until we all agree it is a hit, it would be a hit for we know far more than Broccoli what Bond is and should be. Hey Barbara, if you are reading this, meet us in San Diego and the UK and we will show you how to write a proper Bond script. Enough with her lame directors and non-spy writers.

What a summit that would be!

[bjmdds]

QOS was an utter disgrace by all accounts.

[Mazer Rackham]

What were the signs of the Apocalypse again..
Was agreeing with Benny on anything one of them?

Average fans will be more alienated than those in the loyal dedicated Bond base. Even here at a place dedicated to restoring Bond they protest the current trend personified by a miscast short pouting man but more than anything they want Bond to be successful especially once they return to making Bond movies.

Michael G Wilson was rubbish as a writer. Come to think of it wasn't Bond 22 suppsoed to be based on an original Idea by Wilson? Quark had so many script problems I think whatever input MGW had on it was ejected early on. Unfortunately I think MGW is the lone hope of restoring the Bond Cubby and Ian Fleming made. Keeping it in family. Outside the family they can take their pick of director and writers who embrace the Bond legacy. Some of whom have made a killing at the BO using the Bond imagery.

[katied]

What were the signs of the Apocalypse again..
Was agreeing with Benny on anything one of them?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine![/R.E.M.]

[Powder Puff]

BJMDDS
You wonder why if all of us were writing a Bond script, we would get it right, taking all of our ideas and then doing one overall rewrite. FBF, MP, Sweeney, myself, all the rest here, would do a far better job than Broccoli and Wilson and we would get it right. Eon is a disgrace and void of ideas

A group of monkeys with typewriters could write a better Bond screenplay than the current production team.

[bjmdds]

Why doesn't Eon realize what we already know? THAT is the problem! Nolan did it right with Batman. Get him.

[katied]

By the time this whole mess with MGM gets sorted out, Nolan probably *will* have some free time!

[Captain Nash]

Why doesn't Eon realize what we already know? THAT is the problem! Nolan did it right with Batman. Get him.

Okay something is going on here. Though it need not be bad, nor an issue. It's just that, in the second time in as many days I find myself agreeing with you bj.

To quote Sir Rog in TSWLM : "Maybe I misjudged Stromberg (bj), any man who drinks Dom Peringnon '64 can't be all bad."

As I said, me agreeing with some of you need not be an issue, as I totally agree that the current writing has been abysmall. It needs a major rethink.
Moving onto the casting of Craig, well my view on that is not going to change. Please respect that. I am however open to the fact that any lengthy delay is going to see a re-cast, and therefore am open to the possibility. Though to be honest Jackman is now a no go if we're going to look at this logically. Cavill on the other hand, could be a strong contender.

[Bond77]

It is amazing what has happened to the 007 franchise.

From 1995-2002 the franchise was producing blockbuster films, hit songs, bestselling video games, and the entire series was being re-released on VHS and DVD to great sales. Now look what happened from 2002-Present; in eight short years. It just shows how bad leadership can weaken even the strongest of institutions.

Something needs to happen fast because I do believe time is running out, and it isn't going to be enough to just "do something". Whatever is done will have to be done correctly.

A few years ago I thought that Bond was here to stay, but now I am worried he was left behind with other 20th century heroes.

EON better get it right, or Bond will find himself with Tarzan, Flash Gordon, The Lone Ranger, and other cinematic heroes in the ash heap of history.

[katied]

As I said, me agreeing with some of you need not be an issue, as I totally agree that the current writing has been abysmall. It needs a major rethink.
Moving onto the casting of Craig, well my view on that is not going to change. Please respect that. I am however open to the fact that any lengthy delay is going to see a re-cast, and therefore am open to the possibility. Though to be honest Jackman is now a no go if we're going to look at this logically. Cavill on the other hand, could be a strong contender.

Glad to see you're open to the idea of recasting. That's seeming a lot more likely, unfortunately. Hugh would be my choice, but really, someone like Cavill would, IMO be more suited for the job.

[Kristatos]

Glad to see you're open to the idea of recasting. That's seeming a lot more likely, unfortunately. Hugh would be my choice, but really, someone like Cavill would, IMO be more suited for the job.

Realistically, I don't think it's going to be Jackman now. I think they will go with someone younger like Cavill, particularly if it looks like Bond 23 is going to be several years away. But I doubt they'll make the announcement until shortly before Bond 23 goes into production.

[katied]

As much as people don't want Craig to go(and there are a few people like that at the fan boards), it's kinda inevitable. It'd be a mercy recasting.

[bjmdds]

Jackman for 3 or Cavill for 6 would be just fine by me with an "action" director and a "spy writing specialist" doing the script. Only then will Bond come back to life. The future of Bond looks quite bright WITHOUT the Cr-egg-ster.

[katied]

Jackman for 3 or Cavill for 6 would be just fine by me with an "action" director and a "spy writing specialist" doing the script. Only then will Bond come back to life. The future of Bond looks quite bright WITHOUT the Cr-egg-ster.

I like the idea of having Cavill around for a while. He won't age out of the role *nearly* as fast as Craig.

[Captain Nash]

Jackman for 3 or Cavill for 6 would be just fine by me with an "action" director and a "spy writing specialist" doing the script. Only then will Bond come back to life. The future of Bond looks quite bright WITHOUT the Cr-egg-ster.

The trouble with Jackman though bj is that at present he's 42. If he somehow landed the Bond role, he's going to be 44-45 at the earliest. Taking in a three film gig we're looking at a 54-56 year old actor at the end of it. Is this really the kind of Bond you want?
I think it would be better to go with a younger actor for the part. Even go with a complete unknown. Let an actor become Bond, be accpeted after he's played the role, not judged and confirmed before he's played the part.
Much in the way Connery was unknown when he played the part. I think that would be something that could bring EON out of the rutt.
As for the directing and spy writing, welll part of that could be solved by making a phone call to John Glen.

[Captain Nash]

Started a topic in the Bond 23 section with the idea that we could collaborate on an idea for Bond 23.

http://www.danielcraigisnotbond.com/for ... =74&t=2522

After the recent agreement that the writing team for Bond needs to be changed, I figured as longtime fans, it might be fun to write a concept or storyline for the next Bond film. This is not really concerned with who will play Bond (although I'm open to all suggestions), but more what path we'd like to see Bond take, and how he fits into the story, the villains plot, the heroines part, and how to get the whole thing to gel.
Does Bond need to get back into the world of hollowed out volcanoes, or is a pure escapist fantasy film the way to go, akin to GF or GE?
Be it individual or as a group, it's just a little bit of fun (that I hope can be taken at least a little seriously) to see what ideas we can come up with, and the direction Bond should take.

[carl stromberg]

Hugh Jackman would be perfect for an unofficial Bond film.