The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Omega]

The Gaga Elton John duo ruined the idea for me. Add to it with the Mendes Weiz rumor then ask why bother making the movie. I Hope they are just rumors because so far their ideas suck.

[bjmdds]

Devoid of ORIGINAL ideas. I doubt they spend extra cash now to do a 3-D Bond as well. Cubby would never be wasting so much time as these characters are now. The movie business is BOOMING now at the box office with entertainment dollars being spent on going to the movies. If a film cannot open with $30 million+ now in the USA, that movie company really is lost. Just look at Matt Damon's latest $100 million bust.

[katied]

I think that's more to do with Greengrasshole directing than anything to do with Matt Daaaaaaaamon

[bjmdds]

Worthington debuted Perseus at $61.4 million in the USA. Add Avatar and he came out of nowhere to be in 2 big openings. Release the Kracken Eon.

[katied]

Add Jamie Bell to the "rumored to be in Bond 23" list. *sigh* where will it end?

[Kristatos]

Worthington debuted Perseus at $61.4 million in the USA. Add Avatar and he came out of nowhere to be in 2 big openings. Release the Kracken Eon.

I think he's probably too big for Bond now, though it might be wise to wait and see what sort of legs (tentacles?) COTT has.

[Mazer Rackham]

Add Jamie Bell to the "rumored to be in Bond 23" list. *sigh* where will it end?

The franchise has always had an odd relationship with the tabloids. Sometime they feed the rumors, other times they encourage it, and sometimes the monster continues on its own without their input.

Not a bad tactic keeps thing interesting, honestly the real work is boring and when they promise taking Bond "someplace he has never been before" for the last 20 years it has been minor character drama which doesn't live up to what excitement their promises encouraged. Keeping people distracted with the fantastic casting/plot/music rumors isn't a bad way to inhibit their fans from realizing how truly inconstant and incompetent they are.

[Mazer Rackham]

Worthington debuted Perseus at $61.4 million in the USA. Add Avatar and he came out of nowhere to be in 2 big openings. Release the Kracken Eon.

I think he's probably too big for Bond now, though it might be wise to wait and see what sort of legs (tentacles?) COTT has.

Maybe. He certainly has a higher movie profile than Craig or Brozza had. Although Brozza and Moore had a higher public profile from their successful television outings. It might be too early to say that Eon missed out not hiring Sam Worthington, the idea behind Craig bastardization of Bond and Craig himself is getting very tired and with Worthington they would just be starting to find their groove now, not looking at wrapping it all up before they make a bad enough stinker to sink the franchise.

In a way they made terrible mistake and are stuck dating them selves back to 2005 2006 with Craig, a one trick pony. Worthington while not a sophisticated as Bond should be would have tapped a connection with a much younger audience and kept the old Bond connection healthy as well. His rising star while admittedly unknowable at the time, although it would have been a safe bet with just about any young actor in an aging Hollywood still recycling big names from the 1980s and 1990s, Worthington's rising stature would have lift Bond's stature as well. A big boon for the franchise and a first for stars success while in the role lifting Bond up as well. Where as Craig can only get work because of Bond's name, often times at the behest of his disturbed benefactor Babs.

[katied]

when they promise taking Bond "someplace he has never been before" for the last 20 years it has been minor character drama which doesn't live up to what excitement their promises encouraged. Keeping people distracted with the fantastic casting/plot/music rumors isn't a bad way to inhibit their fans from realizing how truly inconstant and incompetent they are.

Certainly true about the "taking Bond someplace he hasn't been before"-that has always been promised, but have we got it?Not really.

[bjmdds]

I wanted Jackman as Bond;however, if they planned on a TRUE reboot CR, not just an eight minute black and white runthrough, Sammy or Cavill would have been the choice and their inexperience in youth would have been believed. CR-egg comes off clownlike with his mistakes, as an "aged yet novice" 00 agent. Broccoli had MANY excellent choices. The fact that CR-egg spawned this site speaks volumes. This site owes it's very existence to Barbara's incompetence.

[Captain Nash]

Worthington debuted Perseus at $61.4 million in the USA. Add Avatar and he came out of nowhere to be in 2 big openings. Release the Kracken Eon.

I think he's probably too big for Bond now, though it might be wise to wait and see what sort of legs (tentacles?) COTT has.

Maybe. He certainly has a higher movie profile than Craig or Brozza had. Although Brozza and Moore had a higher public profile from their successful television outings. It might be too early to say that Eon missed out not hiring Sam Worthington, the idea behind Craig bastardization of Bond and Craig himself is getting very tired and with Worthington they would just be starting to find their groove now, not looking at wrapping it all up before they make a bad enough stinker to sink the franchise.

In a way they made terrible mistake and are stuck dating them selves back to 2005 2006 with Craig, a one trick pony. Worthington while not a sophisticated as Bond should be would have tapped a connection with a much younger audience and kept the old Bond connection healthy as well. His rising star while admittedly unknowable at the time, although it would have been a safe bet with just about any young actor in an aging Hollywood still recycling big names from the 1980s and 1990s, Worthington's rising stature would have lift Bond's stature as well. A big boon for the franchise and a first for stars success while in the role lifting Bond up as well. Where as Craig can only get work because of Bond's name, often times at the behest of his disturbed benefactor Babs.

But had Sam Worthington won the role in '05, and played Bond in CR, would he still be making the movies that has brought him international attention?
You can forget him landing the role in AVATAR, Terminator Salvation possibly, and maybe Clash Of The Titans.
But who can say for sure? Maybe his star wouldn't have risen.
I think by casting Craig as Bond in CR, EON took the safe option. Use a good actor.

[katied]

I don't think Avatar would have been the same without Worthington. Doesn't hurt that he's easy on the eyes, either!

[bjmdds]

As opposed to DC, that's for sure. Why doesn't Broccoli see it? When CR was released they planted DC at the MTV awards as a presenter. Now, he is in obscurity with a string of poorly received films. Will Broccoli's stubborn sweet tooth for DC ruin her daddy's company? What's with MGW? Maybe he logs on here as a guest and learns things?

[Mazer Rackham]

Pinto denied the Bond girl rumors for the 5th or 6th time. The business with MGM is clusterfuck and getting worse. What it is coming down to is do the debt holders want to keep MGM as a studio or cash out. Plenty of sharks circling and lot of rumors of this and that. Best thing that could happen is if they keep it intact for themselves or sell it lock, stock, and barrel to WB, production can be back up fast in those instances. Some of the financing offers are insane and if the debt holders decide to keep MGM whole they could inject enough cash to kick start things without outside backers and all they would require. If MGM stays whole then Bond and the Hobbit have to stay put.

But had Sam Worthington won the role in '05, and played Bond in CR, would he still be making the movies that has brought him international attention?
You can forget him landing the role in AVATAR, Terminator Salvation possibly, and maybe Clash Of The Titans.
But who can say for sure? Maybe his star wouldn't have risen.
I think by casting Craig as Bond in CR, EON took the safe option. Use a good actor.

AVATAR is a maybe, Cameron was on about using an unknown but if he liked Worthington he might have used him anyway despite Bond, maybe even because of it. T4 & COTT probably would have happened for him regardless.

Best part is if they had gone with Worthington Bond 22 aka Quark wouldn't have happened as it did.

[Omega]

Mazer is the studios split of the Bond money hurting the sale of MGM?

Based on what you have said the studio is making less than $200 million dollar per Bond film, is this correct?

[Kristatos]

As opposed to DC, that's for sure. Why doesn't Broccoli see it?

Lust is blind.

[Mazer Rackham]

As opposed to DC, that's for sure. Why doesn't Broccoli see it?

Lust is blind.

Deaf, Dumb and Blind at that.

She wanted Sean Bean to replace Dalton her former lover, I think we all can agree that while Bean has talent as an actor and has had a very good career being featured in some big soon to be classic hits he was not Bond material. However he was excellent 006 stock. Same with Craig except Daddy wasn't there to call her off and poor MGW is the Cinderfella in this story.

[Kristatos]

As opposed to DC, that's for sure. Why doesn't Broccoli see it?

Lust is blind.

Deaf, Dumb and Blind at that.

But it sure plays a mean pinball.

[Mazer Rackham]

Mazer is the studios split of the Bond money hurting the sale of MGM?

Based on what you have said the studio is making less than $200 million dollar per Bond film, is this correct?

All kinds of things figure in. The cost to make it and advertise it come out of the studio's pocket, however they are other incentives they get the benefit of as well as selling advertising and other tie-ins for the movie themselves.

There is a lot we don't know about the studios relationship with Eon. We do know they have a half share in Bond and that in the 1990 they were unhappy with the profit split and sued Cubby over it. This along with other issues put Bond on the back burner until GE, often time blamed as the reason Dalton didn't get a third film. But the backers were not going to make another Bond movie featuring Dalton, this is probably the one story the tabloids got right that Eon didn't want them to have, unfortunate for them Dalton successfully sued them, and technically he was right but his last film had lost money not comeing close to breaking even for 7 years, so the backers were not going to throw good money after bad. Too bad a lot of revisionist are so blinded by loyalty to the producers they have forgotten how much Brozza did for Bond and the fact he saved it from the abyss. Although by now it would have be remade by somebody, probably successfully.

To your question you are probably about right, answer I get although not definitive but probably pretty close is CR made profit of better than 150m, about $177M after all was said and done. QoS probably about $153m. Add in dvd sales in NA cr dvd $50m to $40m & QOS $25m to $20m, again the studios take may be less if the Brocs get a taste of the Video sales.

I saw a paper once that broke down the studios take, the first big BO Bond the partner studio did not to break even on was DAD, the second CR, third would likely be Quark. Although as I said there were other things to offset that even if true. If I can find my print out or the file here at work I'll post how they arrived at it.

[Mazer Rackham]

I am about to call it a week. I didn't find the report I was looking for but I can give an example of what it was talking about with DAD & CR.

• Die Another Day
  
  Studio Net Profits
  Theatrical US Rentals: $89m
  Theatrical Overseas Rentals : $117m
  Total Theatrical Worldwide Rentals : $206m
  
  Studio Production and Advertising Cost: $242m
  
  Net Studio Income From Box Office: -$36m

CR they spent $30m more on and blew even more on Quark.