The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[James]

Pierce Brosnan wanted the likes of John McTiernan and John Woo to direct one of his Bond films but Eon apparently wouldn't let him ask them. They prefer directors who they can micro-manage and who won't be too expensive. It'll probably be some British/Commonwealth director for Bond 23 that you've barely heard of, not that I really care if Craig & the same creative team behind Quantum Of Rubbish are back.

[katied]

John Woo =not a good idea. Talk about setting the franchise back

[FormerBondFan]

Pierce also wanted Ang Lee to direct one of his Bonds.

[English Agent]

Forster certainly should never be hired again to do a Bond film.

Hopefully, they will hire an action director next time. Hiring directors of character-based dramas in order to "humanise" the franchise sounds like a good idea on paper, but it didn't work in TWINE and it doesn't seem to have worked here. Yes, I know Lewis Gilbert was best known for Alfie before he did Bond, but he had done war movies and the like as well.

Agreed

QOS is action driven and action orientated, yet the weakest segments of the film are the action scenes.

Exactly...............i was looking forward to seeing some great action segments in QOS after reading about how well they had been apparently set up, with some very sophisticated hardware.........but i was totally stunned by how poor the camera work and editng of these sequences was. In the end to be quite honest, none of the action action sequences was particularly enjoyable.

EA

[bjmdds]

And so as Daniel Craig and Eon's new creation have upset the English Agent, we bid them ado, good riddance, and as the Oh-bama said repeatedly, "We need CHANGE". I just watched The Bourne Ultimatum on HBO. I cannot tolerate the fight sequences. Is this what The Bourne Mimicry copies? Does anyone know WHY David Webb became Jason Bourne?

[bjmdds]

Wino is back in the hospital?I hadn't heard

Supposed drug 'interaction'.

[katied]

^After I read that I did a little googling..she had a seizure too.And it's not the first time,either

"Drug interaction" my foot.

[bjmdds]

It's just a matter of time I think for her. Elvis the second here. We watch them deteriorate in front of our eyes.

[Mazer Rackham]

And so as Daniel Craig and Eon's new creation have upset the English Agent, we bid them ado, good riddance, and as the Oh-bama said repeatedly, "We need CHANGE". I just watched The Bourne Ultimatum on HBO. I cannot tolerate the fight sequences. Is this what The Bourne Mimicry copies? Does anyone know WHY David Webb became Jason Bourne?

Free drink refills and all you can eat nachos?

The books have the explanation I'm not sure there was a compelling reason for the movies.

[James]

It's just a matter of time I think for her. Elvis the second here. We watch them deteriorate in front of our eyes.

Your choice Duffy has a very Bondian song out and on tv over here now. I suspect that White/Keys abomination was foisted on them by some marketing spiv at Sony.

[James]

http://www.amherstbulletin.com/story/id/118110/

Too much solace, too little Bond
By Bruce Watson
Published on November 21, 2008

LIKE its strange title, the film "Quantum of Solace" is bewildering and almost meaningless.

In the wake of James Bond's recent revival as a sensitive and brooding secret agent, "Quantum of Solace"' was much anticipated. Daniel Craig had recast Bond as a slightly sinister, slightly loose cannon, with abs. But the old Bond canon - think Sean Connery - now looks much better.

Unlike the Craig remake of "Casino Royale," "Quantum of Solace" adds nothing to the Bond legend. Even fans of the spy-action thriller series will be disappointed as their hero fights not to save the free world but to save the water system of Bolivia. And while the usual "Bond girls" are here, there are just two and they don't dress well. Where have you gone, Ursula Andress?

There is a plot, sort of.

The moderately evil Dominic Greene may look like an environmentalist, but you know how tricky those "tree huggers" are. In reality, he's the mastermind of many coups, aiding overthrows in Haiti, Bolivia and the Middle East, just so his company, "Greene Planet," can corner the market on water or some other scarce resource.

As if Greene's "greenness" were not enough to put him on America's Most Wanted list, he's also French. You might think such a dated enemy wouldn't play well in this era of change, but "Quantum of Solace" easily outpaced "Casino Royale's" opening box office weekend. Some changes are harder to believe in.

Yet audiences will enjoy the usual Bond ingredients - starting with the world. "Quantum of Solace" takes us globe-hopping from Italy to Haiti to Austria to the Bolivian desert with stops in London in between. There's less high tech than usual, but the enlarged iPhonish computer screens that sketch whole diagrams with a single touch are pretty cool. And the chase scenes involve all modern modes of transportation. Bond is chased in cars, in boats, even in a plane.

As in "Casino Royale," this new Bond has more than a license to kill. He also has a license to survive 100-foot falls, to have his head smashed and come up swinging, to leap tall buildings in a single bound. And in "Quantum of Solace," Bond also has a license to bore.

The problem is, all the usual Bondness all but disappears during a half-hour lull. As if director Mark Foster ("The Kite Runner") stepped out for coffee, "Quantum of Solace" treads water in one long middle section that does little more than introduce its villains and cast doubt on Bond himself.

Is Bond out of control? Is he consumed with revenge against those who killed his girlfriend in his last film? Would he even kill his fellow agents?

The answer to these is obvious, hence the scenes spent on them are wasted. As head agent "M" says, with all the gravitas Judi Dench can muster, "When you can't tell your friends from your enemies, it's time to go."

James Bond will never leave us, of course. Ian Fleming's formula of guns, girls and gadgets will be with us for as long as men want to dream. But this Bond, this sensitive, brooding Bond, had better offer more than solace next time.

[bjmdds]

It's just a matter of time I think for her. Elvis the second here. We watch them deteriorate in front of our eyes.

Your choice Duffy has a very Bondian song out and on tv over here now. I suspect that White/Keys abomination was foisted on them by some marketing spiv at Sony.

I try to make the correct recommendations, so how is this for Bond 23: No Craig, new Bond, Hugh Jackman, paid 10 million by Sony to re-re-define the role of Bond; NO Dench, and a new male M;No Haggis or Forster; Duffy sings the theme song; we skip ahead with reference to Bond's DAD mission as a timeline to let us know that the reboot concept is done; Moneypenny is back; Q is back with some wild new far out gadgetry;A plot involving something other than terrorism, say a space or underwater related storyline;Bond can smile again; and the world is back to normalcy.

[The Sweeney]

BJ, I predict the following happening -

- QoS to make the same or exceed CR at the BO.

- Q and Moneypenny to return in Bond 23.

- More gadgets and traditional Bond elements in Bond 23, but in the new realistic style we have seen developed in CR and QoS.

- Craig to return as Bond.



I think the 4th one is the surest bet.....

[Mazer Rackham]

Sween; points 2 to 3 who says Craig would even be willing to do that sort of Bond. He hated it and had it changed.

On point 1 you got lot of faith that with the current tally at $423m and the film losing steam with all the big markets played out. Add to that some of the worst word of mouth since Ishtar

Point 4 so far is still up to Craig, that might not be the case depending on where Quark finishes. Craig has just been told in no uncertain terms that people do not like his Bond, the dull, sour, glum, morose, psychotic Bourne wannabe. Instead they want a Connery Bond. Which he isn't capable of and would look even more foolish trying to feign.
Also Craig has not brought in a new audience as they expected, so in way he is a failed experiment.

[The Sweeney]

Add to that some of the worst word of mouth since Ishtar

I forgot about that shocker.....

[Mazer Rackham]

Add to that some of the worst word of mouth since Ishtar

I forgot about that shocker.....

You were among the lucky ones

[bjmdds]

The Dark Knight is STILL playing in the USA! It is less than $5 million from 1 billion worldwide, with a whopping $465 million internationally as well. There is no way Craig's Bond film can top that internationally, nor last as long in the theatres.

[James]

It's just a matter of time I think for her. Elvis the second here. We watch them deteriorate in front of our eyes.

Your choice Duffy has a very Bondian song out and on tv over here now. I suspect that White/Keys abomination was foisted on them by some marketing spiv at Sony.

I try to make the correct recommendations, so how is this for Bond 23: No Craig, new Bond, Hugh Jackman, paid 10 million by Sony to re-re-define the role of Bond; NO Dench, and a new male M;No Haggis or Forster; Duffy sings the theme song; we skip ahead with reference to Bond's DAD mission as a timeline to let us know that the reboot concept is done; Moneypenny is back; Q is back with some wild new far out gadgetry;A plot involving something other than terrorism, say a space or underwater related storyline;Bond can smile again; and the world is back to normalcy.

I'm sorry BJ. Hugh Jackman is far too tall and handsome to be James Bond. Everybody knows James Bond is supposed to be some craggy little bloke with a basin haircut and one facial expression.

[James]

BJ, I predict the following happening -

- QoS to make the same or exceed CR at the BO.

- Q and Moneypenny to return in Bond 23.

- More gadgets and traditional Bond elements in Bond 23, but in the new realistic style we have seen developed in CR and QoS.

- Craig to return as Bond.



I think the 4th one is the surest bet.....

QOS was realistic? To be honest I'm glad I'm not Eon now because everyone is moaning at them for not making a traditional Bond film and they're stuck with Daniel Craig. I can't see him in a Diamonds Are Forever type film. They may have to reboot this reboot before too long.

With Moneypenny, what happens if we have a new Bond after a couple more films who looks about 20 years younger than DC? Would they have to recast this role again after one or two films? I doubt that Eon are thinking about this. They strike me as a company who just make it up as they go along. Plus of course Barbara might be planning to retire after 17 Daniel Craig films.

[bjmdds]

I do not like Gerard Butler as a Bond candidate any longer. I have watched him enough now. He has a goofy facial quality and an awkwardness that is not right for Bond. Owen is too dull, lacks charisma for Bond as well. Hugh Jackman, right now, for me, has the needed qualities and the right 'stuff' to do 3 nice Bond films, in traditional style with an added SLIGHT 'edge' to his character;however, Eon would look for another cheap unknown, but Sony might do it right.