The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

More action you will get, as MGW said;therefore, seeing DC do more stunts and have less dialogue, given all else stays the same, will that make you enjoy Craig's film more?

Plus, action sequences tend to use more longshots and fewer closeups, making it easier to forget that the actor playing Bond doesn't look the part.

[stockslivevan]

hysterical blindness by the public of this product EON is now passing off as Bond.

Ah ha! Blindness, forget expressing opinions on who you think is suitable for Bond unless you're against Craig. Brilliant BJ! More cries of the word gone mad routine! That's like calling Batman '66 fans blind fools because their favorite Batman is nothing like in the comics.

I hated Roger Moore as Bond, but even I wouldn't call his fans "blinded", they just have a preference for a more soft, humorous, uber gentleman type Bond. I don't agree with it, but all the power to them. There's all types of Bonds and they all have their own differences.

So don't call us fans of Craig's Bond "blinded" otherwise you'd come off as a person who thinks his opinions are facts.

[bjmdds]

More action you will get, as MGW said;therefore, seeing DC do more stunts and have less dialogue, given all else stays the same, will that make you enjoy Craig's film more?

Plus, action sequences tend to use more longshots and fewer closeups, making it easier to forget that the actor playing Bond doesn't look the part.

I agree in that regard.That makes a lot of sense Kris. Keeping Craig far enough away from closeup shots would make the film more enjoyable for you then;however,that is some way to watch a Bond film, but it does make it less offensive.

[bjmdds]

hysterical blindness by the public of this product EON is now passing off as Bond.

Ah ha! Blindness, forget expressing opinions on who you think is suitable for Bond unless you're against Craig. Brilliant BJ! More cries of the word gone mad routine! That's like calling Batman '66 fans blind fools because their favorite Batman is nothing like in the comics.

I hated Roger Moore as Bond, but even I wouldn't call his fans "blinded", they just have a preference for a more soft, humorous, uber gentleman type Bond. I don't agree with it, but all the power to them. There's all types of Bonds and they all have their own differences.

So don't call us fans of Craig's Bond "blinded" otherwise you'd come off as a person who thinks his opinions are facts.

You need to calm down and have fun here Stocks or your systolic blood pressure will spike. I find it amazing that Craig supporters, especially here, find contrary debate so provoking. I do find people blinded by Craig's hype as Bond,especially over his lack of any substantive portrayal of Bond in CR, compared to the prior 5. The same thing exists in the USA with Obama's candidacy: peel off his 'aura' of newness, and there is little of substance. Why you find this shocking here, in this forum, is a puzzlement to me. It is my OPINION, not a fact, and I am entitled to it. You might not like how I see things, but that's what makes the world go around on these forums. As Swayze says to Terry Funk jr. in Roadhouse:"OPINIONS VARY'. Question: if you HATED Roger Moore for 7 films, and Brosnan also for 4 more, how can you enjoy this franchise when 11 of the 21 films were not of your liking, by your own extrapolated deductive reasoning? I liked ALL Bonds,to varying degrees, except Dalton's and CR.

[stockslivevan]

Question: if you HATED Roger Moore for 7 films, and Brosnan also for 4 more, how can you enjoy this franchise when 11 of the 21 films were not of your liking, by your own extrapolated deductive reasoning? I liked ALL Bonds,to varying degrees, except Dalton's and CR.

I hate Roger Moore's Bond but that doesn't mean I find his films appaling. I enjoy MOONRAKER without shame because of the film itself. It's OTT, it doesn't try to be anything else and it still looks good today. Let me try to break it down since it's a bit complex.


Films that I never enjoy watching:
YOLT- Boring Connery , terrible Blofeld, just an overall boring film.
TMWTGG - Same as above, shame Christopher Lee didn't get more screentime.
AVATK - Absolutely appalling. Rog fans loving this film are mad!
TWINE - Terribly executed concept with bad acting, bad writing and tacked on action sequences.
DAD - TWINE times a hundred plus bad CGI, Halle Berry and nonsense = Absolute crap.

Films that I can watch in the right mood:
LALD - Still interesting to watch, but only if at the right time.
TSWLM - Interesting sets, still a dull plot with a dull Bond.
OP - Works in some points (Cold War elements), others not (Circus girls, Sir Rog the Clown!)
TND - A decent first hour followed by unmemorable crap.

Films that I can enjoy watching anytime:
GF - A very enjoyable film to watch with Connery still at his prime.
TB - Same as Goldfinger, the girls are lovelier!
DAF - Just all around fun. Clever writing and Connery is hilarious here.
MR - An OTT film that doesn't take itself seriously, that's the right tone for Moore's films. I love John Barry's score here.
FYEO - Back to basics, if only Dalton replaced Moore here.
LTK - Not a great film, but Dalton gives off a d**n good performance.
GE - Brosnan isn't special, but the action sequences and Sean Bean are good watch.

Films that I love:
DN - Absolute classic. Without Terence Young, you wouldn't have Bond.
FRWL - Another classic from Young, with Connery at top form.
OHMSS - A very classy film that works well despite having a weak lead actor.
TLD - Good action sequences and Dalton gives one of the best Bond performances of all time.
CR - Back to basics with Craig making a good debut and showing promise as a tough Bond like predecessors Connery and Dalton. I look forward to the next film.

[English Agent]

hysterical blindness by the public of this product EON is now passing off as Bond.

Ah ha! Blindness, forget expressing opinions on who you think is suitable for Bond unless you're against Craig. Brilliant BJ! More cries of the word gone mad routine! That's like calling Batman '66 fans blind fools because their favorite Batman is nothing like in the comics.

I hated Roger Moore as Bond, but even I wouldn't call his fans "blinded", they just have a preference for a more soft, humorous, uber gentleman type Bond. I don't agree with it, but all the power to them. There's all types of Bonds and they all have their own differences.

So don't call us fans of Craig's Bond "blinded" otherwise you'd come off as a person who thinks his opinions are facts.

You need to calm down and have fun here Stocks or your systolic blood pressure will spike. I find it amazing that Craig supporters, especially here, find contrary debate so provoking. I do find people blinded by Craig's hype as Bond,especially over his lack of any substantive portrayal of Bond in CR, compared to the prior 5. The same thing exists in the USA with Obama's candidacy: peel off his 'aura' of newness, and there is little of substance. Why you find this shocking here, in this forum, is a puzzlement to me. It is my OPINION, not a fact, and I am entitled to it. You might not like how I see things, but that's what makes the world go around on these forums. As Swayze says to Terry Funk jr. in Roadhouse:"OPINIONS VARY'. Question: if you HATED Roger Moore for 7 films, and Brosnan also for 4 more, how can you enjoy this franchise when 11 of the 21 films were not of your liking, by your own extrapolated deductive reasoning? I liked ALL Bonds,to varying degrees, except Dalton's and CR.

What was it about 'Dalton' that didn't appeal to you?

I liked Dalton, but there was something about him that didn't appeal to the mass audience, whether it was a lack of charisma........whatever it was
his two films were quite different, and though they did well internationally, they did woeful business in the US.

[bjmdds]

I found him dull and his two films off the mark after watching the previous 14. I was glad when he was replaced, but I do watch his films at times, but not too often. Bond films 1-5 are my favorites.

[bjmdds]

Question: if you HATED Roger Moore for 7 films, and Brosnan also for 4 more, how can you enjoy this franchise when 11 of the 21 films were not of your liking, by your own extrapolated deductive reasoning? I liked ALL Bonds,to varying degrees, except Dalton's and CR.

I hate Roger Moore's Bond but that doesn't mean I find his films appaling. I enjoy MOONRAKER without shame because of the film itself. It's OTT, it doesn't try to be anything else and it still looks good today. Let me try to break it down since it's a bit complex.


Films that I never enjoy watching:
YOLT- Boring Connery , terrible Blofeld, just an overall boring film.
TMWTGG - Same as above, shame Christopher Lee didn't get more screentime.
AVATK - Absolutely appalling. Rog fans loving this film are mad!
TWINE - Terribly executed concept with bad acting, bad writing and tacked on action sequences.
DAD - TWINE times a hundred plus bad CGI, Halle Berry and nonsense = Absolute crap.

Films that I can watch in the right mood:
LALD - Still interesting to watch, but only if at the right time.
TSWLM - Interesting sets, still a dull plot with a dull Bond.
OP - Works in some points (Cold War elements), others not (Circus girls, Sir Rog the Clown!)
TND - A decent first hour followed by unmemorable crap.

Films that I can enjoy watching anytime:
GF - A very enjoyable film to watch with Connery still at his prime.
TB - Same as Goldfinger, the girls are lovelier!
DAF - Just all around fun. Clever writing and Connery is hilarious here.
MR - An OTT film that doesn't take itself seriously, that's the right tone for Moore's films. I love John Barry's score here.
FYEO - Back to basics, if only Dalton replaced Moore here.
LTK - Not a great film, but Dalton gives off a d**n good performance.
GE - Brosnan isn't special, but the action sequences and Sean Bean are good watch.

Films that I love:
DN - Absolute classic. Without Terence Young, you wouldn't have Bond.
FRWL - Another classic from Young, with Connery at top form.
OHMSS - A very classy film that works well despite having a weak lead actor.
TLD - Good action sequences and Dalton gives one of the best Bond performances of all time.
CR - Back to basics with Craig making a good debut and showing promise as a tough Bond like predecessors Connery and Dalton. I look forward to the next film.

So you don't hate Moore as Bond I see. You actually liked a few of his films. Good.

[stockslivevan]

BJ, I don't think you understood what I said. I can enjoy his some of films but apart from his portrayal. Just because I find certain aspects in his films great like John Barry's score, doesn't mean I like Roger Moore's Bond. I've said before that Bond films on rare occasions can actually be better than the lead actors. Moonraker is one of them. On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a PRIME example for me. I find Lazenby as the weak link yet everything else is superb from direction, writing, music, cinematography, art direction, ect are superb.

[bjmdds]

As long as you are happy with the films you like I am glad. Amy Winehouse swept the Grammys even though the USA did not allow her in. She stayed sober long enough to perform live from the UK. Is Eon paying close attention to have her sing QOS?

[stockslivevan]

I still don't see the fuss about Winehouse, I don't see much talent to begin with but whatever works for everyone else I suppose.

[The Sweeney]

BJ, I don't think you understood what I said. I can enjoy his some of films but apart from his portrayal. Just because I find certain aspects in his films great like John Barry's score, doesn't mean I like Roger Moore's Bond. I've said before that Bond films on rare occasions can actually be better than the lead actors. Moonraker is one of them. On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a PRIME example for me. I find Lazenby as the weak link yet everything else is superb from direction, writing, music, cinematography, art direction, ect are superb.

Thats a good point Stocks is making, bj.

Do you think there is any possibility (even the slimmest of all possibilities) that you MAY actually end up liking QOS, despite the actor playing Bond...?

[007]

Here is an edited sample of the latest AIC James Bond talkback complete with a new photograph of Daniel Craig.






Doesn't look like James Bond to me....

Bond? Where's James Bond?


It's very difficult to think of him as Bond, because, up until the end, he never actually acts like Bond. It just seems like a British version of Jason Bourne, oddly enough.


I admit, the last couple of Bond flicks werent too good, but the first two (Brosnan films) were just like the Connery Bond films of old, and the fact remains that Brosnan has more screen presence, charisma, and is just as popular a Bond as Connery while Craig seems set to be another Dalton. In other words, a select group of rabid fans will swear by the authenticity, but everybody else just thinks he's boring.

Bond? You mean, that ape in a suit.

You guys acted like it (Casino Royale) was another Goldfinger on here and when I finally saw it, I was like "huh?". Cool black & white opening segment, then more of the same. Silly unbelievable action sequences and a lot of chatting. I thought Goldeneye was 100 times better and it was made by the same director. I do like Daniel Craig but hope they get darker and rougher with Bond and skip the silly antics this time.

People really liked Brosnan as Bond? He was the worst! He was like all the bad parts of Dalton magnified, with no charisma. I wanted to slap that smirk off his face every time I saw him.


All you 'Brosnan was crap' assholes are just that. Like the new 5-minute anti-Bush conservatives. If you didn't spend most of the last decade writing down 'Brosnan IS crap', don't come crawling out of the woodwork now to say 'Brosnan WAS crap' Have some f**king integrity, you gutless dweebs.

Brosnan is still my favorite Bond. None of the Brosnan movies were all that great ("The World Is Not Enough" was downright awful) but he is the quintessential Bond in my mind. Just right look, sound and demeanor... I like Craig and all but CASINO ROYALE is so far removed from what a Bond movie should be, whether or not it's a good movie is almost a non-issue. I mean, can you imagine Pussy Galore in CASINO ROYALE?

I'm sorry but Daniel Craig will never be Bond, to me. Blonde hair, face like a thug. It should have been Clive Owen. Tragic.

As for Brosnan, he started off great, but ultimately turned into a modernized Roger Moore, complete with tugging at his collar.

[Kristatos]

Here is an edited sample of the latest AIC James Bond talkback complete with a new photograph of Daniel Craig.

Got a link so we can read the whole thing?

[007]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35561

[English Agent]

JAMES BOND is the guy with sunglasses on '007'.

Blimey it isn't that difficult to spot!!!..............after reading your post '007',
i thought about going outside to shoot myself.............than i realised i don't own a gun.

In regards to 'Sweeneys' comments to 'BJ'............i've sent him positive vibes regarding QOS over the Atlantic.............hopefully they havn't dissipated to much over their 3000 mile journey!!

AB trying to get the non-believers to see the light.

[Skywalker]

JAMES BOND is the guy with sunglasses on '007'.

Blimey it isn't that difficult to spot!!!..............after reading your psot '007'.

No, sorry Arthur, I'm having difficulties spotting 007's psot.

i thought about going outside to shoot myself......

.......than i realised i don't own a gun.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

If you look closely at the picture you can see the strings. He is clearly being operated by someone off shot.

[bjmdds]

Sweenster and the EA:look at that above picture. Do you think I can possibly enjoy QOSTBM? I do however enjoy action scenes. I will just have to picture Hugh Jackman, Clive Owen or Christian Bale in my mind, and realize how much better it should have been.

[bjmdds]

JAMES BOND is the guy with sunglasses on '007'.

Blimey it isn't that difficult to spot!!!..............after reading your psot '007',
i thought about going outside to shoot myself.............than i realised i don't own a gun.

In regards to 'Sweeneys' comments to 'BJ'............i've sent him positive vibes regarding QOS over the Atlantic.............hopefully they havn't dissipated to much over their 3000 mile journey!!

AB trying to get the non-believers to see the light.

I just received my mail and guess what? NO vibes arrived EA. They must have dissipated in transport over the oceans that divide us. I guess I will continue my current trend of thought.