The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:37 am

Where was that? As an interesting aside, in the USA this weekend, Forster's The Kite Runner almost TRIPLED the box office of Craig's The Golden Compass, now grossing only $68 million in the USA. The UK is approaching $50 million to help salvage the international box office revenue as well. They were only released one week apart.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:30 am

bjmdds wrote:Where was that? As an interesting aside, in the USA this weekend, Forster's The Kite Runner almost TRIPLED the box office of Craig's The Golden Compass, now grossing only $68 million in the USA. The UK is approaching $50 million to help salvage the international box office revenue as well. They were only released one week apart.

Interesting to know, but still irrelevant to what will happen to Bond 22. The name `James Bond' is the big seller - not Forster, or even Craig for that matter.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:36 pm

Not irrelevant Sweenster to the USA FUTURE marketability of TBM in November though. Craig ,simply put, has not done well here. The question is how much higher can your UK fellow moviegoers exceed CR?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:49 pm

bjmdds wrote:Not irrelevant Sweenster to the USA FUTURE marketability of TBM in November though. Craig ,simply put, has not done well here. The question is how much higher can your UK fellow moviegoers exceed CR?

It is irrelevant to the USA, because Bond sells in the US, not Craig.

If Craig really is that unknown in the US, why did CR do so well over there at the BO? Surely no one would have turned up, according to your theory....

Post by **Kristatos** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:04 pm

The Sweeney wrote:If Craig really is that unknown in the US, why did CR do so well over there at the BO? Surely no one would have turned up, according to your theory....

It sold 2 million tickets fewer than DAD....

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:32 pm

Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:If Craig really is that unknown in the US, why did CR do so well over there at the BO? Surely no one would have turned up, according to your theory....
It sold 2 million tickets fewer than DAD....

My point exactly! Pierce Brosnan, the most successful Bond in recent times, and after 4 films, raked in only 2 million more than the unknown Craig, who supposedly everyone in the US doesn't like.

It should have been 80 million fewer, according to bj's theory.....

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:04 pm

Controversial hype=ticket sales. Less hype,now cat out of the bag, no controversy=

It is my contention that the negative hype/press that surrounded Craig as the new Bond with this new direction GREATLY increased the box office in the USA, far beyond what it would have done. The international market is it's own independent entity. TBM will NOT outgross CR in the USA Sweeney, and I cannot see how it can outgross what it did even in the UK, for that amount was unprecedented there and Harry Potter will be in the mix as well.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:35 pm

bjmdds wrote:Controversial hype=ticket sales. Less hype,now cat out of the bag, no controversy= It is my contention that the negative hype/press that surrounded Craig as the new Bond with this new direction GREATLY increased the box office in the USA, far beyond what it would have done. The international market is it's own independent entity. TBM will NOT outgross CR in the USA Sweeney, and I cannot see how it can outgross what it did even in the UK, for that amount was unprecedented there and Harry Potter will be in the mix as well.

Guess we'll all know, come November. Question is, if it is more successful than CR, will people on here then acknowledge that Craig is now a successful Bond?

Post by **Kristatos** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:01 pm

The Sweeney wrote:It should have been 80 million fewer, according to bj's theory.....

That'd be quite a feat, considering DAD only sold 27.6 million tickets (and CR 25.4 million). Even Thunderball didn't sell 80 million tickets in the US.

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:13 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Controversial hype=ticket sales. Less hype,now cat out of the bag, no controversy= It is my contention that the negative hype/press that surrounded Craig as the new Bond with this new direction GREATLY increased the box office in the USA, far beyond what it would have done. The international market is it's own independent entity. TBM will NOT outgross CR in the USA Sweeney, and I cannot see how it can outgross what it did even in the UK, for that amount was unprecedented there and Harry Potter will be in the mix as well.
Guess we'll all know, come November. Question is, if it is more successful than CR, will people on here then acknowledge that Craig is now a successful Bond?

TBM>CR= worldwide acceptance. TBM<CR= the world has had enough of the 'experiment'.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:32 pm

Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:It should have been 80 million fewer, according to bj's theory.....
That'd be quite a feat, considering DAD only sold 27.6 million tickets (and CR 25.4 million). Even Thunderball didn't sell 80 million tickets in the US.

I guess I was exaggerating somewhat......

Post by **bjmdds** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:35 pm

That's ok sweeney, we know what you mean.

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:28 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:It should have been 80 million fewer, according to bj's theory.....
That'd be quite a feat, considering DAD only sold 27.6 million tickets (and CR 25.4 million). Even Thunderball didn't sell 80 million tickets in the US.
I guess I was exaggerating somewhat......

There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR Sweeney. I just don't see this storyline, with Bond 'kicking ass' to baddies and a non-eventful villain, as he deals with his inner emotions over Vesper betraying him, as great material for the public to be enthused over, factoring in a female side-kick such as Yeoh in TND.

Post by **Kristatos** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:36 pm

bjmdds wrote:There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR Sweeney. I just don't see this storyline, with Bond 'kicking ass' to baddies and a non-eventful villain, as he deals with his inner emotions over Vesper betraying him, as great material for the public to be enthused over, factoring in a female side-kick such as Yeoh in TND.

Why would a female sidekick hurt ticket sales? Didn't do TND any harm that I can see.

As for ticket sales, I'm going to refrain from making predictions. Saying things like "There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR" as if it were a sure thing can leave a person with egg on his face. You might be right, but unless you have a TARDIS stashed away somewhere, we won't know that for sure until around March or April of 2009, when QOS's cinema run ends.

Post by **bjmdds** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:40 pm

Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR Sweeney. I just don't see this storyline, with Bond 'kicking ass' to baddies and a non-eventful villain, as he deals with his inner emotions over Vesper betraying him, as great material for the public to be enthused over, factoring in a female side-kick such as Yeoh in TND.
Why would a female sidekick hurt ticket sales? Didn't do TND any harm that I can see.

As for ticket sales, I'm going to refrain from making predictions. Saying things like "There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR" as if it were a sure thing can leave a person with egg on his face. You might be right, but unless you have a TARDIS stashed away somewhere, we won't know that for sure until around March or April of 2009, when QOS's cinema run ends.

The gang at MI6 did not seem kind to Brosnan's side kick in TND so why should they want this now?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:20 am

bjmdds wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR Sweeney. I just don't see this storyline, with Bond 'kicking ass' to baddies and a non-eventful villain, as he deals with his inner emotions over Vesper betraying him, as great material for the public to be enthused over, factoring in a female side-kick such as Yeoh in TND.
Why would a female sidekick hurt ticket sales? Didn't do TND any harm that I can see.

As for ticket sales, I'm going to refrain from making predictions. Saying things like "There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR" as if it were a sure thing can leave a person with egg on his face. You might be right, but unless you have a TARDIS stashed away somewhere, we won't know that for sure until around March or April of 2009, when QOS's cinema run ends.
The gang at MI6 did not seem kind to Brosnan's side kick in TND so why should they want this now?

Because we hope they don't undermine the sidekick. Too many times the sidekicks would always be in danger and of course Bond will save them as opposed to the other way around. Hell, Casino Royale is the first movie since Thunderball that I can recall that had Bond actually being saved by someone other than himself.

But TND was a missed opportunity and hated for better reasons other than the sidekick (DAD has that), while QOS has yet to hit theaters.

Post by **Kristatos** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:36 am

bjmdds wrote:The gang at MI6 did not seem kind to Brosnan's side kick in TND so why should they want this now?

I thought you were talking about the US moviegoing public, not "the gang at MI6"?

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:33 am

stockslivevan wrote:
bjmdds wrote:
Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR Sweeney. I just don't see this storyline, with Bond 'kicking ass' to baddies and a non-eventful villain, as he deals with his inner emotions over Vesper betraying him, as great material for the public to be enthused over, factoring in a female side-kick such as Yeoh in TND.
Why would a female sidekick hurt ticket sales? Didn't do TND any harm that I can see.

As for ticket sales, I'm going to refrain from making predictions. Saying things like "There will be fewer tickets sold in the USA for the Quantum Of Solace than were sold for CR" as if it were a sure thing can leave a person with egg on his face. You might be right, but unless you have a TARDIS stashed away somewhere, we won't know that for sure until around March or April of 2009, when QOS's cinema run ends.
The gang at MI6 did not seem kind to Brosnan's side kick in TND so why should they want this now?
Because we hope they don't undermine the sidekick. Too many times the sidekicks would always be in danger and of course Bond will save them as opposed to the other way around. Hell, Casino Royale is the first movie since Thunderball that I can recall that had Bond actually being saved by someone other than himself.

But TND was a missed opportunity and hated for better reasons other than the sidekick (DAD has that), while QOS has yet to hit theaters.

You want Bond films where he is in need of being saved I see. A Bond film where his inner psyche is explored ,in an environment where he needs someone to save him with an M who 'mothers and molds' him into what he could become. To me, this 'ain't' Bond. Is it to you Stocks? Will you really look forward to these situations?

Post by **bjmdds** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:37 am

Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:The gang at MI6 did not seem kind to Brosnan's side kick in TND so why should they want this now?
I thought you were talking about the US moviegoing public, not "the gang at MI6"?

MI6ers really knocked Brosnan's lady sidekicks Kris.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:06 am

bjmdds wrote:You want Bond films where he is in need of being saved I see.

No, only occasionally. It gets old when he seems to only depend on himself and a gadget. There should be balance.

A Bond film where his inner psyche is explored

What's wrong with that? Should Bond remain a cartoon character forever?

in an environment where he needs someone to save him

Ocassionally, you're looking to deep to find my "ideal" Bond film BJ.

with an M who 'mothers and molds' him into what he could become.

I can see her being an aspect, but not the whole reason.

To me, this 'ain't' Bond.

Too bad for you.

Is it to you Stocks? Will you really look forward to these situations?

If executed the right way yes. Would you still oppose EON treating Bond like a human being if an actor you favored was in the role? Once again, that's the vibe I am getting. You want Craig to fail at all costs by quality and financially. Why not just hope for something positive instead of wishing for something bad to happen?