The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Kristatos]

Skyfall is probably the worst possible example you could give of a progressive modern Bond film. It is *incredibly* reactionary when it comes to women. Of the three main female characters, M ends up dead and replaced with a man, Moneypenny goes from being a field agent to a secretary, and Severine is a victim of sex trafficking whose vulnerable emotional state Bond takes advantage of before making a quip as she is murdered. The Dalton and Brosnan films were far more respectful to women. Hell, even The Spy Who Loved Me treated Anya as Bond's equal in every way.

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[bjmdds]

Bill Cosby released from prison after conviction overturned That's real justice.......not --------maybe FBF will return as his hero Brosnan has a new film:

[bjmdds]

My friend is the sociology professor, speciality in cultural Marxism.

OK, now I know this is a wind-up.

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Then you are not informed about liberal arts and sociology in academic world.

S J, the world is becoming intolerable due to liberalism, sociological teachings, and progressive agendas. They are all regressive because they promote division and look to compartmentalize people into disgruntled factions. Bond films are about fun, not politics, or at least they were, up until Daniela Transvesta took over with Broccoli and feminized the role. #putwoketosleep

[Kristatos]

Bill Cosby released from prison after conviction overturned That's real justice.......not --------maybe FBF will return as his hero Brosnan has a new film:

The Brosnan movie looks good. Bill Cosby's conviction being overturned is a slap in the face to the 60 or so women who came forward. Friends in high places?

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[carl stromberg]

When FBF was on here I was always kept up to date of Pierces new films!

[Omega]

Yeah that new Brosnan film looks good


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[Omega]

My friend is the sociology professor, speciality in cultural Marxism.

OK, now I know this is a wind-up.

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Then you are not informed about liberal arts and sociology in academic world.

S J, the world is becoming intolerable due to liberalism, sociological teachings, and progressive agendas. They are all regressive because they promote division and look to compartmentalize people into disgruntled factions. Bond films are about fun, not politics, or at least they were, up until Daniela Transvesta took over with Broccoli and feminized the role. #putwoketosleep

Just to chime in the movies we never gritty or realistic, could be argued they am still aren’t but the original series never touched the Cold War as it really was, after the Cold War they had goldeneye try to add backstory, the start of the series had space and Nuclear weapon portrayed in a unrealistic ways. The political changes that were given nods in the films were well after the fact or after society had changed. Female M was long after the real thing had happened in the UK. Women holding clipboards long after the first wave of feminism.
Daltons bond being less promiscuous was well into the aids crises.
Die another day completely ignored the war on terror except for a few lines, which worked for what the film was.

With Cr and Babs first crack at full control the series shifts to trying to be politically edgy, QOS was trying to be too clever by half and then we get the weary mi6 and cia officer commiserating about how awful their jobs and who they work for are.

It is a shift in tone and for those politically sensitive it’s obvious for most of movie goers it’s not a blip.

Bond doesn’t do well outside of his vacuum, it’s a special world we enjoy visiting. Trying to drag trendy political topics in may not do well in the long run as attitudes change.


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[Sandeep Jacobin]

My friend is the sociology professor, speciality in cultural Marxism.

OK, now I know this is a wind-up.

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Then you are not informed about liberal arts and sociology in academic world.

S J, the world is becoming intolerable due to liberalism, sociological teachings, and progressive agendas. They are all regressive because they promote division and look to compartmentalize people into disgruntled factions. Bond films are about fun, not politics, or at least they were, up until Daniela Transvesta took over with Broccoli and feminized the role. #putwoketosleep

bjmdds, thanks for clarity of your view in first part of reply. All together I will respect your reply. I do not see progressive agendas as regressive or divisive. Goal is to achieve inclusion. But I respect your arguments. Only second part does there have bothersome idea. “Daniela Transvesta” and “feminized role” are mockery of what I believe goal of filmmakers. They are showing Bond movies are now focus on inclusion. This is imperative for today as countries move more and more into globalism. Everyone especially marginalized people must feel they belong and not be outcasts. In Daniel's Bond, filmmakers now get rid of old Bond like the one in Goldfinger. I saw that when Daniel get the role. I look at early bond movies then because of media coverage of Daniel in CR and I was not familiar with early films. I was shocked that Bond slap woman's behind and tell her go away because he will talk to some other guy. I think that he call it man talk. He treat woman like she is stupid and does not understand anything and used only for sex. Even my friends could not believe they put disgusting behavior in movie. I will admit we are of different generation and that movie was long time ago. But still it is shocking. Today I work in HR of high tech company. I work in diversity and inclusion program for company culture. Directives of our company will not condone that kind of treatment of fellow worker. Everywhere today that conduct is not acceptable. That movie is truly out of step now. In the future, it will not surprise me if Bond movie company will hide this Goldfinger like how Disney is avoiding now old film Song of the South. I am sorry for long post. But you raise compelling ideas. Thank you for your reply.

[Kristatos]

HR? I thought you were in academia? Anyway, yes, some of the older Bond films make uncomfortable viewing for modern audiences. A franchise doesn't last nearly 60 years without being able to adapt to changing times. What I dislike about the Craig films (and to a lesser extent the Brosnan films) is a certain in-your-face preachiness, as if they're lecturing the audience for liking the earlier films. It makes them feel po-faced and joyless, like some "improving" Victorian literature.

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[Sandeep Jacobin]

Skyfall is probably the worst possible example you could give of a progressive modern Bond film. It is *incredibly* reactionary when it comes to women. Of the three main female characters, M ends up dead and replaced with a man, Moneypenny goes from being a field agent to a secretary, and Severine is a victim of sex trafficking whose vulnerable emotional state Bond takes advantage of before making a quip as she is murdered. The Dalton and Brosnan films were far more respectful to women. Hell, even The Spy Who Loved Me treated Anya as Bond's equal in every way.

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Skyfall uncovers horrible treatment of women. That was intention. I believe Sam Mendes try to show decadence of patriarchy. Moneypenny and Severine I believe are victims of patriarchy and toxic masculinity. Death of M is symbolism of death of Britain. She was killed by former British agent that turn into terrorist. But he is victim also because British government betrayed him. Consider this way, British government was corrupt (that is purpose of villain Silva that Sam Mendes show us) and that terrorism in streets of London is not come from foriegn countries but from within from former agent. British government get infiltrated with corruption and in symbolism it has died. I am glad Skyfall does not demonize foreign country as source of terror instead it shows it comes from Western power. So then M died from that corruption of Silva. I did not see complaints in media for these characters. Instead, Skyfall get amazing reviews and people watch it so it make 1 billion dollars. That is awesome.

[Kristatos]

Instead, Skyfall get amazing reviews and people watch it so it make 1 billion dollars. That is awesome.

Yes, you keep mentioning that, as though box office were some sort of indicator of quality. Some of us, however, prefer to think for ourselves instead of simply following the herd.

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[dirtybenny]

Instead, Skyfall get amazing reviews and people watch it so it make 1 billion dollars. That is awesome.

Yes, you keep mentioning that, as though box office were some sort of indicator of quality. Some of us, however, prefer to think for ourselves instead of simply following the herd.

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Yeah, I noticed that too, it's funny how such a devout Marxist/Socialist/Communist keeps championing something so Bourgeoisie and decadent as the proceeds earned from a capitalist corporation like MGM/EON!

[bjmdds]

Interesting that in 2012 someone named SANDEEP did not care for Skyfall at all, even citing Mendes in their post. Scroll down to the #8 response: https://rajeevmasand.com/admin/reviews/ ... nt-page-1/ SANDEEP----SKYFALL-----SAM MENDES----- Same 3 names as here, yet a different take on it suddenly now, in this forum....Interesting.

[Kristatos]

Interesting that in 2012 someone named SANDEEP did not care for Skyfall at all, even citing Mendes in their post. Scroll down to the #8 response: https://rajeevmasand.com/admin/reviews/ ... nt-page-1/ SANDEEP----SKYFALL-----SAM MENDES Same 3 subjects as here, yet a different take on it suddenly now, in this forum....Interesting.

Could be a coincidence. I don't know how common a name Sandeep is in India.

[bjmdds]

Usually where there is a will.......there is a relative.

[dirtybenny]

Noticed this edit from our new "friend" to one of his earlier posts:

Come on old boy admit it,

You call me old boy? You do age discrimination to me? That is foul conduct. Why you bring up age in first place? I am not old man. I am of millennial generation and I am replying because I will not stand for insults or be called something I am not. You already accuse me of fraud and liar and now you insult with age discrimination. Shame on you!

Ok, I'm done! This is a giant leap too far, I knew this guy was trolling, but this is tantamount to a signed confession!

[bjmdds]

Maybe an MI-6 operative from the other website that came here to stir things up?

[kater23]

According to a tweet I saw, Knives Out 2 is filming in Greece!

[Kristatos]

According to a tweet I saw, Knives Out 2 is filming in Greece!

I saw that too.

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[dirtybenny]

According to a tweet I saw, Knives Out 2 is filming in Greece!

I wonder if Dan is going to affect a stereotypical Greek accent like the southern fried colonel he did in the first one?