bjmdds wrote:HBO had a segment on the Kidman/Craig/Green big budget film The Golden Compass yesterday. It looks like 'Hermione Granger meets Jumanji'. You see elements of both those films in it and there seems to be religious outrage against the writer of the story as well. It gets released in 2 weeks in the USA. Craig's name, once again, will probably not add much to the box office take here. The studio may be in for a surprise opening weekend, if the receipts do not pan out as they hope. Then, it's off to The Bourne Mimicry for DC with a thrown together original story by Haggis as the template.
Is it me or are you hoping Craig's non-Bond career will crash and burn? You keep giving off that impression with your "No one likes Craig, see why Invasion flops!" approach when you should clearly know that film simply sucked by itself which is why everyone avoided it, it just looked bad.
I don't know about The Golden Compass, I never expected Narnia to be such a huge moneymaker but I suppose kids really like those fantasy novel adoptions so much so The Golden Compass should at least have an edge for being a family movie. But we'll see.
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bjmdds wrote:Bond, devoid of that Stocks, is a different Bond entity. How was every Roger Moore film a radical departure cinematically?
Look at the departure: Connery, of course, was suave and cool and good looking. You actually believed that a woman would go to bed with him, even if she was supposed to kill him. Whereas, Roger Moore just looks like your foppish uncle, who no woman under 40 would dream of doing. Totally unbelievable as Bond to the point he never even acknowledged the source, hardly ever resembling Bond in any aspect besides the name. While Daniel Craig isn't 100% Fleming Bond, he at least tries. Never once have I got the sense that Roger Moore was dangerous, he just seemed tacked on. I like him outside of Bond, but as Bond it's just one big contradiction. He even overstayed his welcome by three films, Moonraker should have been his last. Hell, Lazenby should have remained for the 70s then you get Dalton for FYEO.
Many people try to suggest that Craig is one of the world's greatest actors, and that he is very popular - especially post Royale. His body of work and the reaction of his films post-Royale don't seem to support this.
I hope he has a great career and will certainly enjoy his non-Bond films - if they are any good.
stockslivevan wrote:Look at the departure: Connery, of course, was suave and cool and good looking. You actually believed that a woman would go to bed with him, even if she was supposed to kill him.
I'd agree with that.
stockslivevan wrote:Whereas, Roger Moore just looks like your foppish uncle, who no woman under 40 would dream of doing. Totally unbelievable as Bond to the point he never even acknowledged the source, hardly ever resembling Bond in any aspect besides the name. While Daniel Craig isn't 100% Fleming Bond, he at least tries. Never once have I got the sense that Roger Moore was dangerous, he just seemed tacked on. I like him outside of Bond, but as Bond it's just one big contradiction. He even overstayed his welcome by three films, Moonraker should have been his last. Hell, Lazenby should have remained for the 70s then you get Dalton for FYEO.
I certainly don't agree with that.
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“I'd like to thank the Royal Marines for bringing me in like that and scaring the s--- out of me,” Bond Hardman Daniel Craig.
bjmdds wrote:HBO had a segment on the Kidman/Craig/Green big budget film The Golden Compass yesterday. It looks like 'Hermione Granger meets Jumanji'. You see elements of both those films in it and there seems to be religious outrage against the writer of the story as well. It gets released in 2 weeks in the USA. Craig's name, once again, will probably not add much to the box office take here. The studio may be in for a surprise opening weekend, if the receipts do not pan out as they hope. Then, it's off to The Bourne Mimicry for DC with a thrown together original story by Haggis as the template.
Is it me or are you hoping Craig's non-Bond career will crash and burn? You keep giving off that impression with your "No one likes Craig, see why Invasion flops!" approach when you should clearly know that film simply sucked by itself which is why everyone avoided it, it just looked bad.
I don't know about The Golden Compass, I never expected Narnia to be such a huge moneymaker but I suppose kids really like those fantasy novel adoptions so much so The Golden Compass should at least have an edge for being a family movie. But we'll see.
I do not have to hope for anything about Craig's non-Bond career Stocks. It speaks for itself by the box office stats. Name ONE film Craig was in, outside of CR, that did well at the box office? I do not find him to be the great actor that Eon has finally found to play the role of Bond. Even with all of these paid off tabloid hypes of Craig, still, no box office correlation. Facts, just the facts. If the hypes were true, where are the results?
stockslivevan wrote:Look at the departure: Connery, of course, was suave and cool and good looking. You actually believed that a woman would go to bed with him, even if she was supposed to kill him.
I'd agree with that.
Whereas, Roger Moore just looks like your foppish uncle, who no woman under 40 would dream of doing. Totally unbelievable as Bond to the point he never even acknowledged the source, hardly ever resembling Bond in any aspect besides the name. While Daniel Craig isn't 100% Fleming Bond, he at least tries. Never once have I got the sense that Roger Moore was dangerous, he just seemed tacked on. I like him outside of Bond, but as Bond it's just one big contradiction. He even overstayed his welcome by three films, Moonraker should have been his last. Hell, Lazenby should have remained for the 70s then you get Dalton for FYEO.
carl stromberg wrote:Many people try to suggest that Craig is one of the world's greatest actors, and that he is very popular - especially post Royale. His body of work and the reaction of his films post-Royale don't seem to support this.
I hope he has a great career and will certainly enjoy his non-Bond films - if they are any good.
Bond is all he will be remembered for, and then only by those who find him to be the proper sort for Bond.
bjmdds wrote:HBO had a segment on the Kidman/Craig/Green big budget film The Golden Compass yesterday. It looks like 'Hermione Granger meets Jumanji'. You see elements of both those films in it and there seems to be religious outrage against the writer of the story as well. It gets released in 2 weeks in the USA. Craig's name, once again, will probably not add much to the box office take here. The studio may be in for a surprise opening weekend, if the receipts do not pan out as they hope. Then, it's off to The Bourne Mimicry for DC with a thrown together original story by Haggis as the template.
Is it me or are you hoping Craig's non-Bond career will crash and burn? You keep giving off that impression with your "No one likes Craig, see why Invasion flops!" approach when you should clearly know that film simply sucked by itself which is why everyone avoided it, it just looked bad.
I don't know about The Golden Compass, I never expected Narnia to be such a huge moneymaker but I suppose kids really like those fantasy novel adoptions so much so The Golden Compass should at least have an edge for being a family movie. But we'll see.
I do not have to hope for anything about Craig's non-Bond career Stocks. It speaks for itself by the box office stats. Name ONE film Craig was in, outside of CR, that did well at the box office? I do not find him to be the great actor that Eon has finally found to play the role of Bond. Even with all of these paid off tabloid hypes of Craig, still, no box office correlation. Facts, just the facts. If the hypes were true, where are the results?
True 'BJ' but DC has only been in a handful of mainstream films prior to Bond when he was relatively unknown............but the films he starred in ie 'Munich, Road to Perdition and Lara Croft' did pretty well.
It is true that his only major film since CR ie The Invasion was a BO disaster..................but we will get a clearer picture of his BO draw when the 'Golden Compass' is released shortly, though being a fantasy film i would expect many people would be interested in the film anyway.
Incidently for your reference BJ.................DC was on a BBC chatshow last night, and was questioned about Bond 22..............he didn't give anything away, (in particular when quizzed about the films title) .................except to say filming would start in January and that he would be rehearsing for the action scenes during December.
stockslivevan wrote:Look at the departure: Connery, of course, was suave and cool and good looking. You actually believed that a woman would go to bed with him, even if she was supposed to kill him.
I'd agree with that.
Whereas, Roger Moore just looks like your foppish uncle, who no woman under 40 would dream of doing. Totally unbelievable as Bond to the point he never even acknowledged the source, hardly ever resembling Bond in any aspect besides the name. While Daniel Craig isn't 100% Fleming Bond, he at least tries. Never once have I got the sense that Roger Moore was dangerous, he just seemed tacked on. I like him outside of Bond, but as Bond it's just one big contradiction. He even overstayed his welcome by three films, Moonraker should have been his last. Hell, Lazenby should have remained for the 70s then you get Dalton for FYEO.
I certainly don't agree with that.
Not agreeing that Moore strayed from the source? Glad we're civilized by disagreeing.
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stockslivevan wrote:Look at the departure: Connery, of course, was suave and cool and good looking. You actually believed that a woman would go to bed with him, even if she was supposed to kill him.
I'd agree with that.
Whereas, Roger Moore just looks like your foppish uncle, who no woman under 40 would dream of doing. Totally unbelievable as Bond to the point he never even acknowledged the source, hardly ever resembling Bond in any aspect besides the name. While Daniel Craig isn't 100% Fleming Bond, he at least tries. Never once have I got the sense that Roger Moore was dangerous, he just seemed tacked on. I like him outside of Bond, but as Bond it's just one big contradiction. He even overstayed his welcome by three films, Moonraker should have been his last. Hell, Lazenby should have remained for the 70s then you get Dalton for FYEO.
I certainly don't agree with that.
Not agreeing that Moore strayed from the source? Glad we're civilized by disagreeing.
I think the Moore films and the Fleming novels are worlds apart. Only FYEO came relatively close to the tone of the Fleming novels.
Moore was more lighthearted in tone than Dalton, and the rest for that matter, but his films were still entertaining and successful;however, for me, the whole Jaws character was more comedy than action oriented, and I could have done without him for two films.
bjmdds wrote:Moore was more lighthearted in tone than Dalton, and the rest for that matter, but his films were still entertaining and successful;however, for me, the whole Jaws character was more comedy than action oriented, and I could have done without him for two films.
I enjoyed Jaws in TSWLM, but he was turned into a clown in MR.
“I'd like to thank the Royal Marines for bringing me in like that and scaring the s--- out of me,” Bond Hardman Daniel Craig.
bjmdds wrote:Moore was more lighthearted in tone than Dalton, and the rest for that matter, but his films were still entertaining and successful;however, for me, the whole Jaws character was more comedy than action oriented, and I could have done without him for two films.
I enjoyed Jaws in TSWLM, but he was turned into a clown in MR.
The opening flying segment with the stuntman who looked so different than Kiel in MR was a joke;however,I enjoyed the basic pemise of the film.
stockslivevan wrote:Not agreeing that Moore strayed from the source? Glad we're civilized by disagreeing.
I was disagreeing with your statement that he never acknowledged the source and pretty much everything else you wrote too.
So what did you think Moore acknowledged besides being a secret agent named James Bond?
Although not aparent in all the films, Moore acknowledged pretty much everything from the source within his 7 films. Admittedly he strayed from the source material too. No one is going to deny that.
“I'd like to thank the Royal Marines for bringing me in like that and scaring the s--- out of me,” Bond Hardman Daniel Craig.
bjmdds wrote:Does Skywalker feel Moore could have pulled off CR as his origin film?
The original CR? Yes
The new, modern CR? No. His strengths and style would be lost in the tone of the film. Moore portrays the accumplished gent role. I don't think even Rog could act well enough for us to believe he was un-refined and raw.
“I'd like to thank the Royal Marines for bringing me in like that and scaring the s--- out of me,” Bond Hardman Daniel Craig.
Filming of Bond 22 starts in less than two months and still no official title has been released. Is it poosible they will start filiming without declaring it's official title, or will they release the title as a Christmas present to the bond fan community?
bjmdds wrote:Filming of Bond 22 starts in less than two months and still no official title has been released. Is it poosible they will start filiming without declaring it's official title, or will they release the title as a Christmas present to the bond fan community?
It isn't uncommon with Bond films. Die Another Day didn't get its title until two months after shooting began. In some other cases titles changed after they were given like how Licence Revoked changed to Licence to Kill.
Happens with other films as well. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Skull didn't get a title until during shooting.
