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So we can add Craig and mendes profit sharing into the cost of sp?

Mi5 was a much better movie done in a budget bond hasn't visited in over a decade. Maybe since cubby was alive.


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TROLLY wrote: As for the "30% less than SF" comment; I'd say that you're being a little too hasty. As far as I'm concerned, Spectre is performing very well at the box office, thus far.
BJ is not being hasty. The time that Spectre has been in theaters is a long time in the world of movies, especially when filmmakers and studios are dealing with the high costs of making films today. As always, they want the good cash returns quickly. But you obviously don't read the newspapers, or you have serious cognitive issues, pal. The $70 million opening in the US prompted a headline about how audiences here may be softening up on Bond. The only thing saving this mess of a film from complete box office failure is that there's nothing else out there right now. But the reality factor is clear: word of mouth hasn't all been stellar for this film, and it's reflected in the box office performance.
You're talking about it's US opening, which lags slightly behind it's predecessor-Skyfall. So what!!! It isn't the be all and end all of it's overall success.

Has it not occurred to you, that Spectre may redeem itself by surpassing Skyfall in other territories, such as Europe, South America and Asia at the box office? To date, the movie has grossed $683,802,330 in ticket sales. This $683/4 million figure, will continue to grow, week by week, until Spectre has run it's course in theaters across the globe. No doubt, this will be in January/February next year (other territories, outside the U.S.). I think you confuse "No. 1 at the box office" with "still on general release". As, everyone else will point out; Quantum of Solace, has so far been Daniel Craig's least successful Bond picture, but, it was on release for 11 weeks, before it dropped out of theatres. Let's use that example as a benchmark. Spectre has only been out there for 1 month! That's 4 weeks.

By this time next month, the new Star Wars movie will be the biggest hit in the theatres (whose territories, it has been released). But, by then Spectre, wouldn't have been front runner anyway, regardless of Star Wars, or even The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2, having been released. The movies' distributor is mindful of competition besides what it is releasing itself. That's why they select these release windows accordingly, when they do.

I'm not saying that Spectre will earn more than Skyfall. But, it will go on to gross more than what Daniel Craig's first 2 films, did. Bottom line is; at the very least, it will be a huge success, although, not the highest grossing film of 2015. So what, if it cost $50-100 million more to make, than Skyfall. They'll most certainly be plenty of profit left. Which, in turn, makes it highly probable that the studio's and producer's will want Daniel Craig back.

Anyway, I invite you to remind me next year, after the final total figure is given, on how much Spectre failed with it's box office revenue.

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Trolly, watch the vulgarity :!: In case you are unaware of it, ECH-TRE has NO other territories left to open in except Japan next Friday. That's it. It's front loaded in release dates most likely due to it's poor long term anticipation by EON/Sony/MGM about it not having legs at the box office. It will be global history in 3 weeks most likely except for residual showings in countries as they wind it down in theaters.
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Yeah let's get the ass hat back who screwed over the pr costing the bond franchise $300 to 400 million .

To profitability I don't know for sure, we do know from no less than two news stories they need $800-900 to start the break even, 1 billion for sure.

It's not a flop but they didn't succeed in equaling SF or maybe even breaking even . Craig and mendes still get a percentage I'm sure, Sony take 8-10% for distribution. The theaters take 40-50% China takes 75%
:roll: almost $700 million and they are still not near making money .
Tv distribution and blu-Ray are their last chances.


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TROLLY wrote: "Fired" for earning MGM and Sony a lot of money? I doubt it!
Well, they ousted Brosnan even though he was bringing in the cash for MGM and Sony. At the time, their PR for him was that he was the "billion dollar Bond."
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Pierce Brosnan was Bond, before Sony became involved with the franchise, actually.

Pierce Brosnan wasn't discontinued, because of his commercial viability. I've never even suggested that he was.

Whilst we're on the subject of Brosnan vs Craig; let's compare their worldwide box results. The figure's in brackets are the amounts' inflation readjusted to 2015:

Pierce Brosnan:

1. GoldenEye - $352,194,034 ($552,403,920)
2. Tomorrow Never Dies - $333,011,068 ($495,788,866)
3. The World is Not Enough - $361,832,400 ($519,113,123)
4. Die Another Day - $431,971,116 ($573,990,111)

Daniel Craig:

1. Casino Royale - $599,045,960 ($710,192,816)
2. Quantum of Solace - $586,090,727 ($650,587,882)
3. Skyfall - $1,108,561,013 ($1,154,034,671)

Now, do these figures not prove that Daniel Craig is a valuable asset to those, who employ him as 007?

It doesn't even seem that Brosnan's rank here, even competes with Craig. Whilst, Brosnan wasn't dropped for not being a big enough success with the theatre going audience; the gamble that Broccoli and Wilson took, with making a business decision, to appoint a new actor to reboot the series, starting with Casino Royale, paid off, handsomely. Even though Craig's superior box office success, over Brosnan's, was simply a fluke.

I'm guessing that their decision, in the first place, to replace Brosnan; was simply because they thought it to be more fitting to have a new actor in the role for a reboot, as Casino Royale, was after all, the first story to be written by Ian Fleming.

I suppose, they could have still made Casino Royale, without rebooting the series, with Brosnan in the role, but Broccoli and Wilson decided against that idea. Also, it wouldn't have made sense, when you consider the fact that Craig's movies all have a timeline connection between them.

By the way, this link might be of interest to you (if you've not stumbled across it, already). I'd like to draw your attention to the last paragraph. As, I'm sure you'll be somewhat; bemused, by the author's closing remarks! Image

http://screenrant.com/james-bond-pierce ... reer-over/
And just down below, in another post, you point out that "anything can happen in show business." So your god Craig, by your own admission, could be ousted. After all, anything can happen, as you say. So you contradict yourself on so many levels.
No, I didn't say that, you moronic toe rag!

Instead, of trying to be smart and condescending towards me, you should perhaps, read more carefully, before you shoot your mouth off. It was 'ml94', who said that in response to what I had said.
Yeah, that's right. They didn't mind his remark for expressing what an ingrate he (Craig) is. _./// That's why Sony bosses were so outraged that they demanded Craig to shut up. Wait a minute, if the Sony bosses are pissed, maybe...maybe...just maybe Eon is also fuming behind the scenes and ran from the issue by being silent because it would've just blown up into a major fiasco. That's reality, pal.
He got reprimanded by Sony, according to the press?

Has it not occurred to you, Atticus, because you're too thick-headed to realize; that the said statement in that little article (published after that famous interview, which you lot, latch onto), was entirely fictional? Sony certainly would NOT publicly announce that they have had cross words with Craig behind closed doors, nor would Craig admit it, either, even if it was true. It's pure speculation.

Because you read stuff like that and take it all as the gospel truth, you must be a very NAIVE LITTLE SPERM.

Who's the 'Hollywood insider' (no name given), which they made reference to? Was it someone who makes sandwiches for Subway on Sunset Boulevard? Or was it someone who doesn't actually exist and therefore, never said anything about it?

It's not as if Daniel Craig even said anything bad about the film. All he did, was to say how hard it is to play Bond-blah, blah, blah. How could that possibly have had a detrimental effect on it's box office success?
You troll comments are hilarious in how you contradict yourself. Keep it up, pal. I find you amusing.
I will keep it up, honey. I'm glad you find them amusing. I eagerly await your next response.
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Deadline.com: Thanksgiving Day B.O. went down as follows: No. 4 Sony/MGM/Eon’s Spectre $2.68M (+1%), 5-day: $16M-$18M cume prediction.
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bjmdds wrote:Deadline.com: Thanksgiving Day B.O. went down as follows: No. 4 Sony/MGM/Eon’s Spectre $2.68M (+1%), 5-day: $16M-$18M cume prediction.
that low? (The same it was making before Thanksgiving) It really has stalled


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Don't know where you adjusted the inflation but you're off by close to $100 million on Brosnan's movies, probably Cr and qos maybe. Skyfall is probably correct .

Another unrelated question where does bo mojo get their averages ? I just spent $9 on a matinee ticket for Creed. They claim the average ticket price in 2015 is like $8.34? If there are dollar matinees lowering the price the have to be a small fraction of any major movies sales


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Atticus wrote:
TROLLY wrote:
Veronica wrote:when pretensious critics praised these movie for cheap psychology.
The critics' opinion doesn't seem to be holding back the crowd's from flocking in their droves, to see Spectre.
Um, actually the bad reviews have affected the film. Which is why it had such a weak opening here in the US, and it spread into the word-of-mouth aspect. But you're obviously delusional.
Spectre isn't doing quite as well as Skyfall, did, after 4/5 weeks of being on general release. Yet, it's so far earned $683/4 million and counting.

Hell! It must be a financial disaster then, for MGM and Sony.

Yep, I must be delusional!
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Omega wrote:Don't know where you adjusted the inflation but you're off by close to $100 million on Brosnan's movies, probably Cr and qos maybe. Skyfall is probably correct.
I used an inflation calculator. Now, with being the open minded type of guy that I am. I won't instil my faith in this piece of software, 100%. However, if there's any truth in my figures being 'off by close to $100 million' for the Brosnan movies, then, that must mean that Craig's 3 previous movies to Spectre earned more than what I've calculated. Could you show me how you've come to this conclusion?

Perhaps, you could find a webpage somewhere that shows us all how much the older Bond movies earned (inflation readjusted). I'm sure that if you look hard enough, you'll find one.
Another unrelated question where does bo mojo get their averages ? I just spent $9 on a matinee ticket for Creed. They claim the average ticket price in 2015 is like $8.34? If there are dollar matinees lowering the price the have to be a small fraction of any major movies sales.
That doesn't really matter, because the final worldwide gross figures, which 'mojo' provides us with, are identical to the ones you'll find anywhere else.
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TROLLY wrote: Spectre isn't doing quite as well as Skyfall, did, after 4/5 weeks of being on general release. Yet, it's so far earned $683/4 million and counting.

Hell! It must be a financial disaster then, for MGM and Sony.
When you need a billion just to break even, $700 million is a disaster, yes.
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TROLLY wrote:
Omega wrote:Don't know where you adjusted the inflation but you're off by close to $100 million on Brosnan's movies, probably Cr and qos maybe. Skyfall is probably correct.
I used an inflation calculator. Now, with being the open minded type of guy that I am. I won't instil my faith in this piece of software, 100%. However, if there's any truth in my figures being 'off by close to $100 million' for the Brosnan movies, then, that must mean that Craig's 3 previous movies to Spectre earned more than what I've calculated. Could you show me how you've come to this conclusion?

Perhaps, you could find a webpage somewhere that shows us all how much the older Bond movies earned (inflation readjusted). I'm sure that if you look hard enough, you'll find one.
Another unrelated question where does bo mojo get their averages ? I just spent $9 on a matinee ticket for Creed. They claim the average ticket price in 2015 is like $8.34? If there are dollar matinees lowering the price the have to be a small fraction of any major movies sales.
That doesn't really matter, because the final worldwide gross figures, which 'mojo' provides us with, are identical to the ones you'll find anywhere else.
not going over everything but I did the adjustment based on ticket sales x current average, skyfall is closer because it's the most recent . Cr and qos I'm going to adjust next.

Thing about bond movies is they always say yea! We made 430 million biggest best ever! But as a dalton fan I had to admit when shown LTK although good on paper was not a financial success because of all the factors we mentioned

I also believe they have overspent on every movie since LTK and GE


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Ps when adjusting the total the most correct way is not dollar inflation which does not reflect ticket inflation, is estimated ticket cost x number sold which does not help with iMax or lack of Chinese market .

For example CR would do better with imax, I can't remember if qos had imax or not.


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bjmdds wrote:Trolly, watch the vulgarity :!: In case you are unaware of it, ECH-TRE has NO other territories left to open in except Japan next Friday. That's it. It's front loaded in release dates most likely due to it's poor long term anticipation by EON/Sony/MGM about it not having legs at the box office. It will be global history in 3 weeks most likely except for residual showings in countries as they wind it down in theaters.
It may be done here in the U.S, by Christmas, but it will still be showing in the territories, which got it last, until about February.

Obviously, the showing's will lessen very gradually in those territories, until then. That's the same as any other blockbuster.

As I've already said; Quantum of Solace was on release for 11 weeks!
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TROLLY wrote: Spectre isn't doing quite as well as Skyfall, did, after 4/5 weeks of being on general release. Yet, it's so far earned $683/4 million and counting.

Hell! It must be a financial disaster then, for MGM and Sony.
When you need a billion just to break even, $700 million is a disaster, yes.
$700 million and counting.

Which RELIABLE source has claimed that $1 billion dollars is needed for Spectre to generate in revenue, in order for it to break even.

If you believe that theory, then Skyfall can't have done that well, either. And, Pierce Brosnan must therefore, have been a complete waste of space!
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The leaked emails revealed that SPECTRE had gone insanely over budget. But I doubt that Sony/EON would allow low-level PR flacks to read those.

And it's not $700 million and counting. It hasn't reached that total yet, I was already taking into account the fact that, although it is at the tail end of its run, there is still a little bit more money to come.
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TROLLY wrote: You Ass Wipe!
Uh-oh, somebody is showing his insecurity. This is gonna be entertaining. Friends, we've got a real loony tune here. The fact that he's using vulgarity clearly shows we've got him trapped in his useless arguments, so here he is attempting to resurrect one of my old responses so he can feel just a tad more precious around here. It's going to be fun to watch his mental breakdown.
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TROLLY wrote:
Atticus wrote:
TROLLY wrote: "Fired" for earning MGM and Sony a lot of money? I doubt it!
Well, they ousted Brosnan even though he was bringing in the cash for MGM and Sony. At the time, their PR for him was that he was the "billion dollar Bond."
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Congratulations on your self-knowledge. You perfectly described yourself. That comment is much more appropriate for you. Thank you for inadvertently describing yourself!
Pierce Brosnan was Bond, before Sony became involved with the franchise, actually. Pierce Brosnan wasn't discontinued, because of his commercial viability.
Um, no pal. You obviously have serious issues with comprehension and lost all sense of your original argument as you got into your hissy fits. In my original response to you, I was actually responding to your basic logic that Craig would not be replaced because he was bringing in the money for the studio. Well, as I said, Brosnan was also bringing in the money for them. At the end of the day, he was still bringing in the money. Yet they whacked him. So the same could be applied to your god and lover Craig. Nothing is forever, especially in the movie business. Again, it's a simple straightforward response to the logic you set down.

The rest of your comments about the bad press on Craig and the Sony management are truly hilarious. I was showing your comments to other friends, and they burst out laughing about how anybody could be in denial and willing to comfort themselves by fabricating their own excuses to justify their stance. Folks, this a solid example of somebody living in denial and who simply can't confront the truth.
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Found this comparison chart on Box Office Mojo. If nothing else, it gives some clues as to why the Craigskis are suddenly so keen to talk about Quantum of Solace instead of Skyfall after 2 years of doing the exact opposite.
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TROLLY wrote:Well, as I said, Brosnan was also bringing in the money for them. At the end of the day, he was still bringing in the money. Yet they whacked him.
"At that point the Brosnan films just weren’t bringing in a huge profit. Just as an example, Brosnan’s final Bond film, Die Another Day(2002), made a total worldwide profit of $290 million — after you remove the production budget from the box office earnings. Meanwhile, Craig’s first Bond film, Casino Royale (2006), raked in a profit of $449 million. Those numbers nearly doubled for Skyfall. Clearly, the almighty dollar just wasn’t with Brosnan’s Bond anymore. Although the actor turned in a great performance in all his 007 features, audiences (and the producers, apparently) just needed a fresh new take on the character."

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