Poll: What is your favourite Fleming Bond novel?

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What is your favourite Fleming Bond novel?

Casino Royale
1
2%
Live and Let Die
4
9%
Moonraker
9
19%
Diamonds Are Forever
1
2%
From Russia with Love
5
11%
Dr. No
7
15%
Goldfinger
2
4%
Thunderball
3
6%
The Spy Who Loved Me
0
No votes
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
13
28%
You Only Live Twice
2
4%
The Man with the Golden Gun
0
No votes
 
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Moonraker was a sad one I thought. Bond invest so much in the idea of the relationship and she turns out to be the ultimate good girl, also the ultimate Bond girl the one he can not get.

The movies gave 007 the lothario image Ian's 007 was a knight in shining armour willing to risk it all for the damsels honour.
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Post by Emilio Largo »

I voted for On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Rounding out my Top Five James Bond novels list are: From Russia With Love, Dr. No, Thunderball and Goldfinger.
caseyjames wrote:Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan are my favorites. Timothy Dalton and Roger Moore were not that bad but Connery was the big daddy of them all. :)
Blowfeld wrote:The movies gave 007 the lothario image Ian's 007 was a knight in shining armour willing to risk it all for the damsels honour.
Ah, yes! These two quotes are music to my ears. I agree with these sentiments most heartily. :up:


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Moonraker. Extremely haunting novel.
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"Live and Let Die" was slightly racist as a movie, but I figured I'd read the book before watching.
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CeasAbbie wrote:"Live and Let Die" was slightly racist as a movie, but I figured I'd read the book before watching.
The book goes further with the racism, actually. Fleming strictly uses the word "n!gg**" or "neggro" or that kinda stuff. LALD is a good novel, but not the best one.
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I just voted for OHMSS but on second thought From Russia With Love was better realized and not too many ultimately boring tangents
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I refuse to read any Bond thing not written by Fleming
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That's a shame. You should try Raymond Benson's novels. They are the ones that hold the upper hand, and in my perspective, it's even better than any Fleming novel.
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how can anyone vote for Goldfinger with that giant plot hole in the book that ultimately the screenwriter fixed with the ingenious nuclear device idea? I bet even Fleming was impressed (he died sometime during the filming of Goldfinger). A couple years ago I re-read all the Fleming books in sequence (except Spy Who Loved Me which I always hated, and Fleming was so embarrassed by it he forbid anyone to use the plot in a movie, nor the short stories just cuz I don't really like short stories of any kind). As much as I love the books and films, sad to say the books are so dated (and in the case of Live and Let Die, racist) as to be nearly unreadable. I enjoyed them much more when I read them in high school but that was 40 years ago when I knew far less of the world not to mention I hadn't had sex yet hahaha. I've seen all of the Bond films in the theater including the older ones going back to Dr. No before they were on TV, and re-watching them can instantly recall the context of the various time periods (which most modern youngsters calling themselves Bond fans can't or won't do, cuz they weren't even alive in the 60s, 70s and -- egad -- now going on the 80s when you consider someone born in 1990 is now 23 years old) . . . which infuriates me even more that the film producers have alienated a couple of generations of 007 viewers (potentially) by creating the anti-Bond who doesn't care how his martini is fixed etc etc. As one critic who previously didn't like Bond even put it, a 007 for people who don't like 007! Thinking of this context thing maybe I will try to re-read the books with that in mind, but I certainly don't remember Bond being as dour in the books as he is being portrayed by Craig. I was hoping for a little more from Skyfall but hopes dashed. Out of the entire Craig oeuvre I can only think of about 10 seconds that were even remotely Bondish, both from Casino Royale 2006 . . . Bond's car flipping over Vesper in the road, and Bond's silhouette before Le Chiffre starts thrashing him. Even Craig has said he would prefer a return to the classic character for the next film(s), unfortunately it's not going to matter anyway because Craig just does not have the classic look . . . he looks fine in other films BTW, why do they choose to always make him look so wretched as Bond? in any event, not that it matters, it should have been Cavill instead of Craig tho now even Superman is "going dark." Maybe I would accept a darker Bond from an actor who looked and acted more like the classic idea of Bond. Speaking of which why the hell did the producers put the Goldfinger car in Skyfall, when the Goldfinger (1964) car has no logical connection to the Craig (born in 1968) reboot? Keep in mind tho, if there had been an internet in the 70s there might very well have been a Roger Moore Is Not Bond site . . . tho in reality the over the top jokey campy Bond really began with Sean Connery in Diamonds Are Forever. I laughed at Timothy Dalton's hair in Living Daylights, but License to Kill I enjoyed and it was briefly in my top five and just as briefly a critic's darling. Goldeneye had one of the best plots of the series but I was underwhelmed by Brosnan's performance, he was really a scenery chewer (google it if you don't understand the reference). However they are all preferable to Craig, I would choose any Connery/Lazenby/Moore/Dalton/Brosnan film to rewatch before I would choose a Craig.
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I don't think Fleming was embarrassed by TSWLM, he just felt that it was so off-format for the series that it would be unfilmable in the form in which he wrote it.
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Some great points you have mentioned in there, okconnery. However, there are some things I'd disagree with. For me, Bond was supposed to be all about escapism, action and over-the-top fantasy. I know, you'd hate me for it, but I like Moonraker. It was a great film and just because it was outer-space related doesn't mean it was Star Wars or any kind of Disney garbage. It was just Bond's take on the outer-space subject, nothing more. Anyway, back to the point, I'd really agree with you that the first three Bond films in the 1970s were campy. And before you ask, I also dislike OHMSS. Why? Because it featured a "vulnerable" character who's "madly" in love. A professional doesn't care about his personal life. When you choose to be spy, or an assassin or any other government employee, you'll have to forget about your personal life and you're not entitled to have one however until you retire. Any other secret agent is like that, or used to be like that. Bond falls in love with Tracy... alright... what next? He says "I'll quite my job for you. Being secret agent doesn't suit me", that's being too unprofessional. Connery's Bond would never have said that. A hero, like I stated once, does not say "I love you but I can't be with you because of my job", a hero instantly answers "I'm in my element; LEAD!" and this is how it goes on. I really wish OHMSS never happened. And then, we come to study LTK, the first "rogue agent" stinker in the Bond franchise. When you're a civil servant, you don't go rogue and pursue your own goals. Yes, you wanted to avenge your best friend? You could have convinced your superior to OFFICIALLY assign you to that case. And going against your superior's orders in mass will, would rank you as a traitor and threat to their own security. But, nowadays? Some people think going rogue is cool, because he looks bada$$ with that. Being an a$$hole makes you cool. Well, actually, being all those things make you a total utter scumbag, a manic depressive failure who don't deserve to live (sorry, but I am harsh with those kind of people). This is what our modern society are. Bourne... Matt Damon... performs some fictitious unreal and laughable dance they call it "martial arts pro" and "realizm" makes them completely retarded. That kind of melee would get you killed in real-life. And what the hell is wrong with people unable to tell the difference between AK-47 and AKM? They are two different weapons. And the way they wield is so wrong, it's the Call of Duty players I'm referring to. They think "itz riliztik", but in reality when you know the truth behind everything, it's laughable. Back to topic again, Brosnan's Bond was literally awesome in his first two, but when the good old Cubby died, that evil queen of numbers called "Babs Broccoli" has tookover the franchise and introduced that "philosophically arty" material into the series, starting with The World Is Not Enough (which basically sounded like a Cr-egg movie just with some great action scenes in it thanks to Bruce Feirstein) and continuing with Cr-egg's tenure. Die Another Day? That's where Babs introduced her bloody touch of bloody feminism with one of the most irritating characters of hers: Giacinta "Jinx" Johnson. And the whole plot was laughable to the core, specially the main title sequence and its back story with the main character (I hardly can find myself calling it "Bond") being tortured like a wimp for 14 months. Some people have problem with John Rambo? Then, they must be mentally ill. Like Rambo, Bond could have escaped that North Korean prison in two days at maximum. Like I said, if I want to watch a Bond film, I want the escapism, fun, balanced videogamey elements merged with awesome action genre within, not some pathetic soap opera (Cr-egg/Babs material) that only appeals to the 'Murican (not American. be warned. Americans are the decent people who live in the US, and the 'Muricanz are the ones who bring shame into the country stating they don't give a d**n about "patriotism", unlike Americans) teenagers who are psychologically well-tortured and love it. To hell with that. When I watch a film, I want fun. When I want "realism", I'd stick to my own life. Period.
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to Kristatos just FYI:

The reception to the novel (Spy Who Loved Me) was so bad that Fleming wrote to Michael Howard at Jonathan Cape, to explain why he wrote the book: "I had become increasingly surprised to find my thrillers, which were designed for an adult audience, being read in schools, and that young people were making a hero out of James Bond ... So it crossed my mind to write a cautionary tale about Bond, to put the record straight in the minds particularly of younger readers ... the experiment has obviously gone very much awry". Fleming subsequently requested that there should be no reprints or paperback version of the book and for the British market no paperback version appeared until after Fleming's death.
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thanks John P. Drake for your comments as well. I thought Moonraker was one of the better Moore films, outside of them turning Jaws into Wile E. Coyote. Another knee-bender to fans, this time children who wrote in asking that Jaws be turned into a good guy. I was not even that impressed by Jaws in Spy Who Loved Me, in fact I pretty much hated Spy when it first came out. Great pre-title sequence of course then I hated the title song, the first truly boring Maurice Binder titles, the Hamlisch disco soundtrack that grated even at the time, I didn't like Barbara Bach's looks much, overall uninteresting villain and the overall plot stolen directly from You Only Live Twice. Like any Bond film outside of the Craigs there were some good things in it and it has grown on me over the years. I liked Roger Moore in the role from the start tho when Live and Let Die came out I instantly ranked it below the previous 7, I would rank it higher now, for instance put a gun to my head I'd choose to watch Live and Let Die over Thunderball and Dr. No. The only Moore I can't get through at all anymore is Man With The Golden Gun, even though it has some classic and likable stuff in it . . . M's office aboard the sunken ship, Christopher Lee, the martial arts school, Brit in a bikini. The rest of it is too dumb especially the funhouse scenes and the annoying midget. People take Skyfall to task for the sex slave but Moore essentially treated Scaramanga's sex slave Maud Adams the same way. As for OHMSS used to be one of my favorites but that has waned over the years, I'll still watch it for Diana Rigg (BIG EMMA PEEL FAN), the ski scenes and the music. You have to blame Fleming for the marriage hahaha but he took her away just as quickly. These cheesy "back to pure Bond" (OHMSS, For Your Eyes Only, etc, THE AWFUL DANIEL CRAIG etc) arguments really get to me sometimes cause some of the fantastic Blofeld-etc plots (Goldfinger, Moonraker, Thunderball, OHMSS) come straight out of Fleming . . . for instance how do you explain the pet giant squid in Doctor No haha, thankfully the filmmakers didn't have the budget for that or it might have been in the movie and ended up being the cheesiest scene ever. Good points about "rogue" Bond, Fleming would have been outraged even at the idea of Craig's Bond invading M's apartment not once but twice! As for LTK very often I like a Bond film for how it's done and some of the elements and can take or leave the overall plot.
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Some other great points you got there, my friend. LTK, if you throw that "rogue agent" part away, is a good film. Say if Bond was officially assigned to pursue Sanchez, then I would have considered it one of the greatest Bond films. But, it's that "rogue agent" thing that puts me off. However, OHMSS had fantastic action sequences, the raid over Piz Gloria, the pre-title beach fight, the ski chases, those were all great sequences ruined by the mass emoism and "Romeo & Juliet" romance. I never saw Bond treating Maud Adams (TMWTGG) like a sex slave, but I would apply that Jane Seymour's character, Solitaire. She was innocent and Bond should have respected that. She was treated like a prisoner in here entire life, but Bond used her for his pleasure, that's one of the things I hated in LALD. Well, LALD is not a Bond film that should have been in the timeline. It was sounded more like a cop film than a Bond film. I mean, okay, it was all about smuggling drugs, Burt Reynolds, Columbo or any other cop would have done it better, but that case wasn't for Bond. A secret agent doesn't bother with black market plots. That's homicidal work, not secret service intelligence. And TMWTGG had some boring story, though Scaramanga is one of my favourite villains much like Gustav Graves is one of my favourite despite DAD was a kick-off of the building movie. The Golden Gun, the island, the villain and the funhouse was a genius thing, but likewise Tom Mackenwicz (did I spell it right?) always showed up and ruined every Bond plot and turned it into campy. Diamonds Are Forever was a good novel, but the movie was boring. However, Charles Gray was splendid as Blofeld. And if you ask me, Connery lost his charm after You Only Live Twice. However, people may disagree with me on this one. I liked the unofficial Never Say Never Again. Connery gave it the Classic Bond performance. Well, I know you wouldn't like it, but Blofeld-esque plots (Dr. No, Thunderball, GoldenEye, The Spy Who Loved Me, Tomorrow Never Dies, etc) are the ones I love to see in a Bond film. Because I've grown up to believe Bond is supposed to be over-the-top fantasy action series. But, what do we get now? "Dark, Gritty, Realistic" and all that stuff people call it. However, those modern "holleh-hoodah" (not Hollywood, that's gone now) thrillers are not gritty, but they are laughable and nonsense. Dark? Never. That's not dark, that's some depressing material appealing for those teenagers. Realistic? They're as Realistic as Russians have already invaded Mars. If they want Gritty, Dark, Realistic movies, there's The Ipcress File, When Eight Bells Toll, Danger Man TV Series (my favourite) and of course, North By Northwest. However, I believe the Bond movies in the modern days should have the very same material and manly characters as in GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies. I'm done with those so-called "dark/gritty" stuff as shown with The Bourne Trilogy and Nolan's Dark Knight (he ruined the name of Batman as much as Tim Burton and his ridiculous successor did). Hire someone like Paul Dini and Bruce Timm (who did Batman: The Animated Series in 1990s), they'll deliver us splendid adventures with no doubt. However, one of the recent movies I really loved was Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, a mindblowing actioner and truly fascinating espionage, unlike the first three (for which Kristatos calls "The Ethan Hunt Show". LOL! I really really agree with him). Many people complained about Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes because it was fast-paced action genred. But, I loved it. Specially Game of Shadows, that film had a Bondian plot taking place in the late 19th century. And Moriarty was a PURE Bond villain. Yes it was lot different from the literary Holmes, but I loved it. The character was over-the-top manly heroic Scotland Yard consulting detective. What's not to like? And unlike Bourne, Cr-egg and many other "modern thriller" movies, the hand-to-hand combat was portrayed very properly. I wish Ritchie does a spy film one day... oh wait... he's doing The Man From UNCLE. Hope it ends up being a great one. However, my friend, reading non-Fleming books wouldn't harm you. Read Raymond Benson's novels. His Bond is purely based on Pierce Brosnan, not the Hoagy Carmichael look alike. The plots were splendid as well. I really think you'd enjoy them all. But, whatever you do, avoid Sebastian Faulks and Kingsley Amis. Jeffrey Deaver wasn't bad with Carte Blanche though.
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on " Blofeld-esque plots " I maybe wasn't clear, I was defending not attacking them. My point was the chowderheads who always want to go back to a "pure" (sometimes meaning gadget-free) Bond . . . the cry to "go back to Fleming" when it was in fact Fleming himself who thought up these bombastic plots (robbing Fort Knox, building a missile and destroying London, stealing atomic bombs and holding the world for ransom, hypnotizing a coven of girls to spread disease unless the world pays off, I think toppling missiles was even in the Dr. No book). I don't have any problem with them, I enjoy them as much as the next person, and though he didn't survive the filming of Goldfinger Fleming clearly approved of what they planned for the gadgets in that film. That's why I brought up Dr. No's giant pet squid in the book as an example of how far Fleming was willing to go on the bombast/edging toward unbelievable scale. Fleming even admitted he was partly copying the Fu Manchu books. Sure they updated Moonraker with a more grandiose plot, but that was validly playing on people's fears of space-based weapons. I also liked how it hinted that government tech is always a little more advanced than main street knows or govt wants us to know. Ironically Dr. No's squid finally shows up in Moonraker as the giant (and mostly fake) snake that Moore wrestles, the little scene which was a hilarious twist on the Garden of Eden. A fun little story here about something unbelievable in a Bond film turning out to be absolutely real, most of my life I hated the ending of Thunderball shooting up into the sky on the rope because I thought it was made up and impossible, but it turns out to be an actual real-life rescue/pickup method called Sky Hook. When I was saying what I didn't like about Golden Gun, I forgot to mention Sheriff Pepper who I didn't mind in Live and Let Die and he was a pretty good counterpoint to the blaxploitation in the film tho he quickly wore out his welcome in the first film on the annoyance scale . . . but the fans liked him so we had the contrivance of bringing him back for Golden Gun . . . now THERE was something unbelievable, the two accidentally meet up again in Bangkok and Pepper is shopping for a car just when Bond needs one. PS John Barry has finally admitted they shouldn't have done the slide whistle which ruins the car stunt. As for Roger Moore and the Skyfall sex slave problem let's compare Maud Adams in Golden Gun and the sex slave in Skyfall (not that I'm in any way defending Skyfall, I can just see where the writer maybe picked up an idea from a previous film). Maud Adams character sends Bond the bullet because she wants him to kill Scaramanga so she will be free. Maud is clearly Scary's possession, he even uses his gun for foreplay and he's getting mad when she doesn't like it. Maud offers her body to Moore and he accepts (they shag while poor Goodnight is in the closet). Bond arranges a further meeting with her at the fight ring she's to give him solex in exchange for killing Scary. The sex slave character in Skyfall watches Craig kill one of her accomplices -- after the inter-building shooting -- and doesn't tell anyone; when he shows up at the casino she warns him about the baddies. Clearly she has some hope that Craig will be her savior and tells him about her boat. Craig has sex with her then the baddies show up on the boat and take them to Bardem. Scary shoots Maud Adams more or less in front of Moore; Bardem shoots the sex slave in front of Craig. Neither Moore nor Craig seem to really care about the victims.
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Not really. In TMWTGG the case was different. Maud Adams' character, Andrea Anders was getting ready to have sex with Bond, she wanted it, not that Bond forced her to it. But, all Craig did was to FORCE the girl who has been treated like a sex slave viciously and rudely, and she was even beaten up by that Silva, unlike Scaramanga who dedicated himself to Andrea until he found out she betrayed him. And the difference is, Andrea wasn't shot in front of Bond, when he arrived, Scaramanga already had her killed, there's nothing Bond could have done. Meanwhile, in Skyfall, Cr-egg's situation was far different. He overpowered Silva's men STRAIGHT after that mook killed the poor girl. Why didn't he make that "exotic" performances of his before her demise? He COULD have saved her. But, no.. instead, he enjoyed screwing her up forcibly, blackmailed her and let her die. Really? That's something Bond wouldn't have done. He let her die in front of his eyes while she was begging him to save her, hoping for a "miracle", but it didn't happen. That makes Cr-egg a villain. A coward. A street thug. The thing is, the difference between Andrea and Severine are that the former enjoyed her time with Bond while the latter was just raped. Making love and getting raped are two different things. Am I right?
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welllllll I think you're forgetting that Andrea wanted Scaramanga killed and even sent Bond a golden bullet with a 007 engraved on it trying to goad him into doing it. Then later we see the scene where Scaramanga is pointing the gun at her, rubbing the gun over her lips, then using the gun to try to pull down the thing covering her while she's trying to hold it up. Then we see a big scowl come over Scaramanga's face after she has rejected him. I think the sex in Skyfall was mutual, what was kinda disgusting about it is that Craig tells her that her tattoo reveals she was a sex slave since the age of 12 and then the next thing you know he's having sex with her! Talk about slumming! It's obvious she wants to get away from Silva, so she's hoping Bond will take care of him for her. So in fact the Andrea (Golden Gun) and Severine (Skyfall) situations are exactly the same (I'd be interested to know if the writer deliberately adapted that idea for Skyfall). Bond doesn't really have to have sex with Severine, getting on the boat's the important thing and she's already invited him there telling him that's how to get to Silva. The same way Moore doesn't have to have sex with Andrea but does (and cheapens Goodnight in the bargain, though she might understand it's all in the line of duty, but that part is really in there for laughs). It's hard to believe Fleming's Bond would be interested in having sex with someone that used. Craig may wait until Silva kills Severine and then goes into action when Silva's guard is down, but before that Craig calls Severine's killing a "waste of good scotch" . . remember Severine was also a criminal and Bond had already witnessed her participating in a murder, so ultimately doesn't care about her . . . Andrea knows that Scaramanga kills people for a living, so she not totally "innocent" either. yeah, Scaramanga shoots Andrea before Bond arrives, but the point is doing it in a way that he leaves her as a trophy for Bond to find, and Bond's instantly looking around wondering if he's about to get shot too. BTW I was over at commanderbond.net and I found a thread of people who actually didn't like Skyfall but I guess I failed to bookmark it, I will try to find it again!
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John P. Drake wrote:The thing is, the difference between Andrea and Severine are that the former enjoyed her time with Bond while the latter was just raped. Making love and getting raped are two different things. Am I right?
It's hard to tell. Severine didn't seem to put up any resistance to Bond, making the shower scene seem less rapey than the one in Thunderball, but then, she was raised as a sex slave, so it could just be that she just doesn't know how to say no to a man.
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Re: Poll: What is your favourite Fleming Bond novel?

Post by okconnery »

I wouldn't count the Molly Peters scene in Thunderball as rape, more like Bond after the thing on the stretching machine playfully pretending to coerce her into something she was drifting toward anyway (confirmed later by the mink-skin rubdown and even later she's begging Bond to keep in touch with her). Severine's invited Craig's Bond to the boat as the means to reach Silva, so when he shows up in the shower they are kind of consummating a deal just as Bond and Andrea (Maud Adams) do in Man With The Golden Gun. If this was straight-up rape there would have been a huge outcry, all the PC film reviewers heads would have popped, theaters would have been boycotted, etc. What did happen was that several human rights organizations issued a protest that Bond should get involved sexually at all with a someone still suggested to be victim of human trafficking, and in the film he really doesn't have to have sex with her, since he's already gotten what he needs from her . . . just as Roger Moore doesn't really have to have sex with Maud Adams since she hints she will get him the solex, but there are two comedic undercurrents going on in that scene . . . Bond means to play a joke on Goodnight by having sex while she's stuck in the closet, and Andrea seems to be suggesting if Bond is "good enough" in bed she'll steal the solex from Scaramanga for him. At best it's pretty scumming for a gentleman of Bond's once-refinement to sink so low as to have sex with a sex slave (though he kinda also does in Man With The Golden Gun, the scene where Scaramanga uses the gun as a kind of sex toy on Andrea to her repulsion), but of course refined is not how Craig is playing Bond anyway. Craig's Bond films have had a dearth of real sex scenes anyway and I think the producers saw a chance to insert (haha) one there and didn't really think about the consequences and maybe if they'd thought about the consequences would have at least excised the line about the tattoo and taken away the problem altogether, but probably no one noticed it to begin with . . . there are plenty of dopey mistakes in Bond films, remember in You Only Live Twice Bond accepts a "stirred not shaken" martini from Henderson and calls it perfect. Ulimately ALL Bond movies and in fact all action films are unbelievable, hence why they are called escapism . . . every bond movie the villain or villains have plenty of opportunity to just be done with Bond by filling him full of lead . . .except in Skyfall where it's gotten around by Silva wanting to keep Bond alive to complete his nefarious scheme, though it's never explained how Silva got out of the little glass bubble (something to do with the virus that the new Q was stoopid enough to put in the mainframe, just one of the many stinkeroo plot holes) . . . and then it's turned around when Bond could have merely shot Silva while Silva is on the ladder, instead Bond stops shooting and TALKS to him! Ultimately Skyfall is one of the DUMBEST Bond films ever made, and it's sorta apt these comparisons to Man With The Golden Gun (which could have been better, and anything that goes wrong in a Moore film has little to do with Moore, other than agewise he might have made one too many)
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Re: Poll: What is your favourite Fleming Bond novel?

Post by John P. Drake »

Actually, okconnery, you have points with all of these. I agree with you on that one.
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