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Latest Weekend: Oct 1-3
Venom: Let There Be Carnage $90.1M
The Addams Family 2 $18.0M
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $6.0M
The Many Saints of Newark $5.0M
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Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $6.0M
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Wow good numbers for a film moved around and got oct 1st at the last minute
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Meanwhile, it pains me to report this, but: https://deadline.com/2021/10/no-time-to ... 234847227/
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To be quite honest I don't care if this dumpster fire makes $3 or $30 billion, if this film bombs Babz and Co. are still gonna do what they gonna do in the next film, to think they'll suddenly come to their senses is wishful thinking at best. If it makes a load of cash, well, I guess this is what people want now and we really are just a small collection of people screaming at clouds. Either way the fact of the matter is Bond as we loved him is dead, even if Babz suddenly has an epiphany and regains her marbles Amazon is right over her shoulder.Kristatos wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:17 pm Meanwhile, it pains me to report this, but: https://deadline.com/2021/10/no-time-to ... 234847227/
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Amazingly bad open here in the states.
One reason casino royale got away with poor opening bo is it had a holiday schedule in the us and Canada where it held with very little drop and very little competition. That’s not going to happen this time. Uk and China bo may help but I don’t see them getting close to the brake-even point of 800 million.
Might be more I think reshoots and other P&A were tacked on the cost, plus $1 million a month interest on this movie. We found out later Babs demand $600 million of Netflix was enough to pay for the bloated movie and make a little money.
Usual bo that the studio see is roughly 50% of bo. A bit better opening weekend, distributors see between 6 and 8% of gross, there’s taxes on this money and cost of currency exchange .
In China studio eventually get 25% of the bo total.
Looking at bo mojo face of between Cr and dad those two had a bigger opening just based on ticket inflation. Bo mojo used to have a ticket inflation calculator, we have the data here some where on what the ticket sales were.
Pure inflation calculator $47 million (dad) 2002 is $71 million, $40 million (cr) is $54 million.
Best measure is estimated ticket sales multiplied by the current average ticket price
2002 average ticket price was $5.81, 2006 $6.55 (6.88 for 2007), 2021 is $9.19
Dad sold 8,101,900 tickets, 2021 opening weekend $74,456,461
CR sold 6,234,069 tickets, 2021 opening weekend $57,291,094.11
Btw I think the average ticket price doesn’t work on opening bo because many pay a premium and there are a few like we used to be in movie clubs where ticket prices are set lower than average but they will not publish actual ticket sales in the states because it gets in the way of advertising campaigns.
It’s be easier to say 8.1 million vs 6.234 vs 6million,
Edit opening weekend ticket sales based on average ticket price
QOS 9,405,136
Skyfall 11,101,094
Spectre 8,351,500
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One reason casino royale got away with poor opening bo is it had a holiday schedule in the us and Canada where it held with very little drop and very little competition. That’s not going to happen this time. Uk and China bo may help but I don’t see them getting close to the brake-even point of 800 million.
Might be more I think reshoots and other P&A were tacked on the cost, plus $1 million a month interest on this movie. We found out later Babs demand $600 million of Netflix was enough to pay for the bloated movie and make a little money.
This was somebody else’s bag but here I go off what they had saidhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.co ... 19582/amp/
$301 million net budget. Plus, Craig and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson, who control the rights to the series, have generous backend and profit participation deals, limiting the amount of money MGM is able to make on the movie.
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MGM was hoping for an offer of between $600 million to $850 million, which might have been an impressive enough number to convince Broccoli and Wilson to forgo a theatrical release. Instead, the streamers indicated that they wouldn’t top $400 million, which was more than MGM had already spent making the movie when Craig and the producers’ backends were taken into account (Universal, which oversees foreign distribution, also needed to be compensated)
Usual bo that the studio see is roughly 50% of bo. A bit better opening weekend, distributors see between 6 and 8% of gross, there’s taxes on this money and cost of currency exchange .
In China studio eventually get 25% of the bo total.
Looking at bo mojo face of between Cr and dad those two had a bigger opening just based on ticket inflation. Bo mojo used to have a ticket inflation calculator, we have the data here some where on what the ticket sales were.
Pure inflation calculator $47 million (dad) 2002 is $71 million, $40 million (cr) is $54 million.
Best measure is estimated ticket sales multiplied by the current average ticket price
2002 average ticket price was $5.81, 2006 $6.55 (6.88 for 2007), 2021 is $9.19
Dad sold 8,101,900 tickets, 2021 opening weekend $74,456,461
CR sold 6,234,069 tickets, 2021 opening weekend $57,291,094.11
Btw I think the average ticket price doesn’t work on opening bo because many pay a premium and there are a few like we used to be in movie clubs where ticket prices are set lower than average but they will not publish actual ticket sales in the states because it gets in the way of advertising campaigns.
It’s be easier to say 8.1 million vs 6.234 vs 6million,
Edit opening weekend ticket sales based on average ticket price
QOS 9,405,136
Skyfall 11,101,094
Spectre 8,351,500
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Latest Weekend: Oct 8-10
No Time to Die $56.0M
Venom: Let There Be Carnage $32.0M
The Addams Family 2 $10.0M
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $4.2M
The Many Saints of Newark $1.5M
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No Time to Die $56.0M
Venom: Let There Be Carnage $32.0M
The Addams Family 2 $10.0M
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $4.2M
The Many Saints of Newark $1.5M
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Those are estimates, actuals may add a couple of million. It's unlikely to be enough, however. Only China and Australia left to open. No offence to Australia, but it has a smaller population than either California or Texas, and opens way later than everyone else, for some reason. This gives plenty of opportunity for Australians to view the film by "other means", and means that it will open after a string of bad box office news. They'd better hope for a big Chinese payday.Omega wrote:Latest Weekend: Oct 8-10
No Time to Die $56.0M
Venom: Let There Be Carnage $32.0M
The Addams Family 2 $10.0M
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $4.2M
The Many Saints of Newark $1.5M
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Not to bring "politics" into it, but Australia is also under a heavy lockdown mandate, so I don't see many "Aussies" rushing out to the cinema.Kristatos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:25 amThose are estimates, actuals may add a couple of million. It's unlikely to be enough, however. Only China and Australia left to open. No offence to Australia, but it has a smaller population than either California or Texas, and opens way later than everyone else, for some reason. This gives plenty of opportunity for Australians to view the film by "other means", and means that it will open after a string of bad box office news. They'd better hope for a big Chinese payday.Omega wrote:Latest Weekend: Oct 8-10
No Time to Die $56.0M
Venom: Let There Be Carnage $32.0M
The Addams Family 2 $10.0M
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $4.2M
The Many Saints of Newark $1.5M
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That could be the reason for the delay. And I don't think it counts as "bringing politics into it" if you're simply stating a fact that's relevant to the discussion.dirtybenny wrote: Not to bring "politics" into it, but Australia is also under a heavy lockdown mandate, so I don't many "Aussies" rushing out to the cinema.
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Thanks Kris, these days one can't be too sure.Kristatos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:58 am...And I don't think it counts as "bringing politics into it" if you're simply stating a fact that's relevant to the discussion.dirtybenny wrote: Not to bring "politics" into it, but Australia is also under a heavy lockdown mandate, so I don't many "Aussies" rushing out to the cinema.
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I didn’t know that about Australia.
Do we know the second week drop of the uk and rest of the world yet ?
Bo mojo has this for totals as of yesterday, it may adjust up or down for actuals
Grosses
DOMESTIC (17.9%)
$56,007,372
INTERNATIONAL (82.1%)
$257,269,000
WORLDWIDE
$313,276,372
Craig’s bonds were unusually front loaded, except for Cr which had no competition and holidays to kind of be the only game in town.
Pandemic bo I don’t see second week holds being as good as opening totals, or the cumulative totals adding up to much, unless they can beat every franchise out there which did preform well opening weekends and second week of release.
Looking at world wide nttd is better off than black widow, and venom so far. That may be the one feather in their cap, depending on the uk holdover to beat Shang-chi and Godzilla.
I think it’ll be hard to hit $500 or $600 million just with drop off the way it’s been.
How the hell did the fast and furious pull it off? $716 million
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Do we know the second week drop of the uk and rest of the world yet ?
Bo mojo has this for totals as of yesterday, it may adjust up or down for actuals
Grosses
DOMESTIC (17.9%)
$56,007,372
INTERNATIONAL (82.1%)
$257,269,000
WORLDWIDE
$313,276,372
Craig’s bonds were unusually front loaded, except for Cr which had no competition and holidays to kind of be the only game in town.
Pandemic bo I don’t see second week holds being as good as opening totals, or the cumulative totals adding up to much, unless they can beat every franchise out there which did preform well opening weekends and second week of release.
Looking at world wide nttd is better off than black widow, and venom so far. That may be the one feather in their cap, depending on the uk holdover to beat Shang-chi and Godzilla.
I think it’ll be hard to hit $500 or $600 million just with drop off the way it’s been.
How the hell did the fast and furious pull it off? $716 million
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The Fast & Furious films are HUGE in East Asia, from what I understand.
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No Time to Die‘s 3-day eased to $55.2M, after a Sunday of $13.75M, -24% from Saturday’s $18.1M
If you count today as holiday they say NTTD will hit $60 million
They project $24 million next weekend based on past holdovers .
They also say EON had wanted thanksgiving release date but mission impossible had it
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If you count today as holiday they say NTTD will hit $60 million
They project $24 million next weekend based on past holdovers .
They also say EON had wanted thanksgiving release date but mission impossible had it
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Are those the actuals?Omega wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:39 pm No Time to Die‘s 3-day eased to $55.2M, after a Sunday of $13.75M, -24% from Saturday’s $18.1M
If you count today as holiday they say NTTD will hit $60 million
They project $24 million next weekend based on past holdovers .
They also say EON had wanted thanksgiving release date but mission impossible had it
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DOMESTIC $55,225,007 boxofficemojo.comKristatos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:42 pmAre those the actuals?Omega wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:39 pm No Time to Die‘s 3-day eased to $55.2M, after a Sunday of $13.75M, -24% from Saturday’s $18.1M
If you count today as holiday they say NTTD will hit $60 million
They project $24 million next weekend based on past holdovers .
They also say EON had wanted thanksgiving release date but mission impossible had it
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BOM hadn't posted the actuals when I asked that. Glad to see they were actually lower than the estimated figure. Sadly, though, the second weekend drop here was only 27.1%. I feel like my country is rather letting the side down. But then, the UK has always been Bond's strongest market, home advantage and all that. And it benefited from the timing of its (eventual) release. People have the impression that Covid is in decline here, even though the figures don't really bear that out, and are starting to drop their guard. I went to a gig the other night, and hardly anyone was wearing a mask. So NTTD feels, wrongly, like the first post-pandemic blockbuster.
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NTTD in the UK last weekend dropped 41% to $20,730,000 USD. Some internet outlets are confused and are reporting only a 28% UK drop off because they are too dumb to realize they are mixing POUNDS with US DOLLARS instead of keeping them both in either USD or POUNDS. Everybody has a job but very few actually know how to do it. It did 25.9 million POUNDS weekend 1 and 15.2 million POUNDS weekend 2.
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I got the 27.1% figure from Box Office Mojo, which is now reporting the correct figure. Doesn't seem like them to make such a rookie mistake, if that was the reason.bjmdds wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:26 am NTTD in the UK last weekend dropped 41% to $20,730,000 USD. Some internet outlets are confused and are reporting only a 28% UK drop off because they are too dumb to realize they are mixing POUNDS with US DOLLARS instead of keeping them both in either USD or POUNDS. Everybody has a job but very few actually know how to do it. It did 25.9 million POUNDS weekend 1 and 15.2 million POUNDS weekend 2.
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